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On 2/3/2018 8:24 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 19:41:35 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>> On 2/3/2018 5:55 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 17:11:10 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/2018 4:41 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:22:50 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>>>>>> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
>>>>>> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
>>>>>> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
>>>>>> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
>>>>>> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
>>>>>> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
>>>>>> supporters will array behind them.
>>>>>> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
>>>>>> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
>>>>>> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
>>>>>> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
>>>>>> done nothing wrong
>>>>> Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
>>>>> wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
>>>>> Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed.
>>>> Collusion with Russian operatives to release illegally obtained
>>>> information against his political opponents followed by a daily stream
>>>> of actions, lies and naive admissions of guilt surrounding his attempts
>>>> to obstruct the investigation into those crimes.
>>> What then is collusion with Russian operatives and corrupted FBI
>>> figures to release false info about Trump during an election? And is
>>> collusion a crime? You could check with your lawyer buddy.
>> You're a hopeless dupe.
> That is straight out of BillB's playbook. "No, *you* are!"

I can't help it, you are.

>>>>>> and lets the investigation play out.
>>>>>> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the
>>>>>> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the
>>>>>> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In
>>>>>> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
>>>>>> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never
>>>>>> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
>>>>> All reasonable Americans are praying for those fireworks, as long as
>>>>> they are non-partisan fireworks.
>>>> There is no American more non-partisan than Mueller
>>> There is no word more apt for you than "naive".
>>  From all reports he is a highly respected Republican straight arrow.
>> That is, until he started getting close to Trump..
> *All* reports then. Okay.

All reports until Fox & Friends woke up to the fact that he was closing 
in on Dear Leader, then he suddenly became a traitor.

>> I recall you having a shred of a conscience at one point. What happened
>> to you? Whatever it is, it is apparently the same disease that the
>> Congressional Republicans have contracted.
> Sheesh. Did I do something wrong, too?

You are deliberately obscuring the truth.

>>>> . But the fireworks I
>>>> do not believe will come from him because Trump is going to get rid of
>>>> him. Like a cornered rat he is going to lash out, he doesn't have much
>>>> choice.
>>> Mueller should be fired. There is not a non-partisan human left in
>>> this country, and Mueller is far from it. Trump is not cornered. There
>>> is nothing on him, except in the fevered imagination of CNN.
>> You are delusional. At least Trump appears to have the awareness to
>> realize the situation he is in. That is exactly why this laughable
>> diversion was thrown up. He has manufactured cover for any future
>> obstructions of this process. And they are sure to continue.
> I sure hope so. I want all out war. I don't care who goes down, as
> long as it's all the corrupt folks. Of course, that means another
> government shutdown, but for a brand new reason.

So you're motivated by a naive and childish belief that "The GuMMINT" is 
the root of all your problems, and that anything, even a wannabe 
dictator, that fucks it up is by definition good.

>>>>    You don't seem to understand that. We
>>>>> do need a purge, and another thing you don't understand is that Trump
>>>>> could represent that purge. Why do you think so many politicians from
>>>>> *both* parties hate him?
>>>> If there were actually enough patriots in the US Congress willing to
>>>> admit what is happening Trump would already be facing impeachment.
>>> Would Hillary be facing indictment? Lois Lerner? Any Dems at all?
>> What an idiot. Private citizen Hillary Clinton and whatever legal
>> problems she may face should be absolutely of no interest to anyone.
> Because she's a liberal? And once someone leaves government, anything
> they did in government should be forgotten? Interesting.

No, because she is, at the very worse, some criminal, not running the 
world's most powerful government.

>> It certainly has nothing to do with the collusion by the Trump Crime Family
>> that is sitting in plain sight of anyone who cares to see it.
>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is not a
>> crime.
> Then why do you go on about it? You keep using the word, even though I
> asked you to name some actual crimes.

The crimes were folded into the collusion, *illegally* promising to drop 
sanctions, and conspiring to have *illegally obtained* emails released.

Then there was all the obstruction, dozens and dozens of examples..