Subject: Re: Where Are All Our Wingnuts?
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Subject: Re: Where Are All Our Wingnuts?
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 23:53:51 -0800
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On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is 
>>>>> not a crime.
>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for the 
>>> release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about Clinton, 
>>> then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of ways, worked 
>>> to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. There appears to 
>>> me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
> I know, I didn't call it a crime.

What does "illegally" mean to you then?

>> There currently exists no (public) proof of the quid pro quo you 
>> allege regarding sanctions.  Correlation is not proof of causation, 
>> although there are hot bullet shells all over the floor.
> afaik Flynn admitted it. It also appears that he is admitting that he 
> cleared it with the Whitehouse.

"AFAIK" is not proof in any legal sense, and there are no such public 
admissions.  Yet.