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On 2/4/2018 12:27 AM, Clave wrote:
> On 2/4/2018 12:08 AM, Dutch wrote:
>> On 2/3/2018 11:53 PM, Clave wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is 
>>>>>>>> not a crime.
>>>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
>>>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for 
>>>>>> the release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about 
>>>>>> Clinton, then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of 
>>>>>> ways, worked to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. 
>>>>>> There appears to me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
>>>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
>>>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
>>> What does "illegally" mean to you then?
>> The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but how 
>> they did it.
> *boggle*

It's not complicated. It's not illegal to collude to obtain information 
on your opponent. If however you collude to get information that you 
know was obtained as the result of a crime that makes you an accessory 
to that crime. And, if in the process of colluding you make an illegal 
promise then you are committing a crime.