Subject: Re: Where Are All Our Wingnuts?
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From: Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com>
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Subject: Re: Where Are All Our Wingnuts?
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 01:51:39 -0800
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On 2/4/2018 1:34 AM, Dutch wrote:
> On 2/4/2018 1:03 AM, Clave wrote:
>> On 2/4/2018 12:58 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2018 12:27 AM, Clave wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2018 12:08 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:53 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself 
>>>>>>>>>>> is not a crime.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
>>>>>>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange 
>>>>>>>>> for the release of *illegally obtained* damaging information 
>>>>>>>>> about Clinton, then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a 
>>>>>>>>> variety of ways, worked to *illegally* obstruct the 
>>>>>>>>> investigation into it. There appears to me to be separate and 
>>>>>>>>> independent sets of crimes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does "illegally" mean to you then?
>>>>>
>>>>> The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but 
>>>>> how they did it.
>>>>
>>>> *boggle*
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's not complicated. It's not illegal to collude to obtain 
>>> information on your opponent. If however you collude to get 
>>> information that you know was obtained as the result of a crime that 
>>> makes you an accessory to that crime. And, if in the process of 
>>> colluding you make an illegal promise then you are committing a crime.
>>
>> Goshthanks, I didn't know any of that obvious stuff.
>>
>> Even though I said as much myself a post or two ago.
> 
> Your comment was "The obstruction *IS* the collusion.", which is wrong, 
> unless you mean to say that through their collusion they obstructed a 
> fair election.

Go to bed.