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Subject: Re: Where Are All Our Wingnuts?
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On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 1:34:06 AM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> On 2/4/2018 1:03 AM, Clave wrote:
> > On 2/4/2018 12:58 AM, Dutch wrote:
> >> On 2/4/2018 12:27 AM, Clave wrote:
> >>> On 2/4/2018 12:08 AM, Dutch wrote:
> >>>> On 2/3/2018 11:53 PM, Clave wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself 
> >>>>>>>>>> is not a crime.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
> >>>>>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for 
> >>>>>>>> the release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about 
> >>>>>>>> Clinton, then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of 
> >>>>>>>> ways, worked to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. 
> >>>>>>>> There appears to me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What does "illegally" mean to you then?
> >>>>
> >>>> The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but how 
> >>>> they did it.
> >>>
> >>> *boggle*
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's not complicated. It's not illegal to collude to obtain 
> >> information on your opponent. If however you collude to get 
> >> information that you know was obtained as the result of a crime that 
> >> makes you an accessory to that crime. And, if in the process of 
> >> colluding you make an illegal promise then you are committing a crime.
> > 
> > Goshthanks, I didn't know any of that obvious stuff.
> > 
> > Even though I said as much myself a post or two ago.
> 
> Your comment was "The obstruction *IS* the collusion.", which is wrong, 
> unless you mean to say that through their collusion they obstructed a 
> fair election.
> 
> Crimes were committed while the Trump team was colluding with the 
> Russians, these were not obstruction. Then obstruction of justice crimes 
> were committed afterwards during the investigation. Those crimes do not 
> prove the earlier crimes.
> 
> > We're done here.  Again.
> 
> Fine by me.



February 3rd, you've made 73 posts already, blabbermouth.  445 in January.  Everyone works you like
a piece of clay.  Posters to the Left of you, posters to the Right, they all play you like a fiddle.