From: Dutch <no@email.com>
Subject: Re: Where Are All Our Wingnuts?
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Subject: Re: Where Are All Our Wingnuts?
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On 2/4/2018 2:11 AM, popinjay wrote:
> On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 1:34:06 AM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>> On 2/4/2018 1:03 AM, Clave wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2018 12:58 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2018 12:27 AM, Clave wrote:
>>>>> On 2/4/2018 12:08 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:53 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself
>>>>>>>>>>>> is not a crime.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e.
>>>>>>>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for
>>>>>>>>>> the release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about
>>>>>>>>>> Clinton, then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of
>>>>>>>>>> ways, worked to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it.
>>>>>>>>>> There appears to me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What does "illegally" mean to you then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but how
>>>>>> they did it.
>>>>>
>>>>> *boggle*
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not complicated. It's not illegal to collude to obtain
>>>> information on your opponent. If however you collude to get
>>>> information that you know was obtained as the result of a crime that
>>>> makes you an accessory to that crime. And, if in the process of
>>>> colluding you make an illegal promise then you are committing a crime.
>>>
>>> Goshthanks, I didn't know any of that obvious stuff.
>>>
>>> Even though I said as much myself a post or two ago.
>>
>> Your comment was "The obstruction *IS* the collusion.", which is wrong,
>> unless you mean to say that through their collusion they obstructed a
>> fair election.
>>
>> Crimes were committed while the Trump team was colluding with the
>> Russians, these were not obstruction. Then obstruction of justice crimes
>> were committed afterwards during the investigation. Those crimes do not
>> prove the earlier crimes.
>>
>>> We're done here.  Again.
>>
>> Fine by me.
> 
> 
> 
> February 3rd, you've made 73 posts already, blabbermouth.  445 in January.  Everyone works you
like a piece of clay.  Posters to the Left of you, posters to the Right, they all play you like a
fiddle.
> 

Yeah, a Stradavarius.