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On 3/7/2018 8:55 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:58:09 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>> On 3/7/2018 6:58 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:56:44 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>>>> On 3/7/2018 9:04 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>>>> Of course. There is a genetic component to IQ.
>>>> Are you referring to *intelligence* when you say "IQ"?
>>>> "IQ tests" tend to test the ability to grasp certain types of abstract
>>>> problems. That is a specific type of intelligence. There are many kinds
>>>> of intelligence.
>>>>    If your experiment were
>>>>> tried thousands of times, there would be a pattern. I don't think
>>>>> there is any agreement on how "significant" the variance would be,
>>>>> though. The other problem is what Pickle mentions, that there is
>>>>> significant blurring among the races after so many years of human
>>>>> life. Where do you find the subjects of your experiment?
>>>> In my hypothetical scenario the children are all clearly representative
>>>> examples of their race.
>>> Well sure, so they are all identical, and race means nothing at all,
>>> so why even bring this up? Why select several different races at all?
>>> We are all fucking equal, so lets just grab a bunch of white kids.
>> I'm trying to make the point that a group of infants of different races
>> raised in the same environment facing the same challenges would likely
>> perform quite close to the same in terms of success in life. Once you
>> eliminate outside influences humans are not "equal" or "identical", but
>> very similar in potential.
> You are not making any point. You are expressing your feelings, and
> nothing else. Your feeling are wrong.

I'm expressing an opinion, and have no basis for your assertion that 
it's wrong, except *your* feelings.

>>>>>> And I do not believe the exact scenario I described has ever been tried,
>>>>>> because it's not possible in the real world. There is no prejudice-free
>>>>>> environment.
>>>>> And that is at least part of my point. Once you understand why there
>>>>> is no such environment, and never will be, you will move closer to the
>>>>> smart (conservative) understanding of real life.
>>>> I realize there is no such environment. The purpose of a thought
>>>> experiment is to get to the root of a problem by isolating and
>>>> eliminating variables.
>>> Not when it comes to this subject. The only purpose of liberals is to
>>> prove that no race is better than any other, whatever the fuck that
>>> means.
>> Better *at what*? What liberals mean, I think, is that people of every
>> race deserve an equal shot at the good life. No person, because of his
>> race, should have huge obstacles placed in front of him.
> But it's the fucking conservatives who try to actually *give* everyone
> an equal shot, instead of just mouthing feel-good shit. It's the
> liberals who keep them enslaved with government handouts. And it's the
> liberals who are placing obstacles in front of other races with
> affirmative action. When it comes to jobs, blacks have it made. That
> is, if they bother to look.

Right wing bullshit.

>>>> I realize that in your mind all roads lead to
>>>> your particular brand of conservative thinking, that's the kind of
>>>> pre-existing bias I am trying to eliminate.
>>> Reality does not fit the common definition of bias.
>> Do not delude yourself that your particular bias and reality are the
>> same thing.
> Reality is not bias. Liberals just make things up.

You have an extreme, debilitating anti-liberal bias. It clouds your