From: Bill Vanek <>
Subject: Re: You want racism? I'll give you racism
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From: Bill Vanek <>
Subject: Re: You want racism? Ill give you racism
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 22:34:53 -0800
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On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 22:26:00 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:

>On 3/7/2018 8:55 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:58:09 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>>> On 3/7/2018 6:58 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:56:44 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>>>>> On 3/7/2018 9:04 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>>>>> Of course. There is a genetic component to IQ.
>>>>> Are you referring to *intelligence* when you say "IQ"?
>>>>> "IQ tests" tend to test the ability to grasp certain types of abstract
>>>>> problems. That is a specific type of intelligence. There are many kinds
>>>>> of intelligence.
>>>>>    If your experiment were
>>>>>> tried thousands of times, there would be a pattern. I don't think
>>>>>> there is any agreement on how "significant" the variance would be,
>>>>>> though. The other problem is what Pickle mentions, that there is
>>>>>> significant blurring among the races after so many years of human
>>>>>> life. Where do you find the subjects of your experiment?
>>>>> In my hypothetical scenario the children are all clearly representative
>>>>> examples of their race.
>>>> Well sure, so they are all identical, and race means nothing at all,
>>>> so why even bring this up? Why select several different races at all?
>>>> We are all fucking equal, so lets just grab a bunch of white kids.
>>> I'm trying to make the point that a group of infants of different races
>>> raised in the same environment facing the same challenges would likely
>>> perform quite close to the same in terms of success in life. Once you
>>> eliminate outside influences humans are not "equal" or "identical", but
>>> very similar in potential.
>> You are not making any point. You are expressing your feelings, and
>> nothing else. Your feeling are wrong.
>I'm expressing an opinion, and have no basis for your assertion that 
>it's wrong, except *your* feelings.
>>>>>>> And I do not believe the exact scenario I described has ever been tried,
>>>>>>> because it's not possible in the real world. There is no prejudice-free
>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>> And that is at least part of my point. Once you understand why there
>>>>>> is no such environment, and never will be, you will move closer to the
>>>>>> smart (conservative) understanding of real life.
>>>>> I realize there is no such environment. The purpose of a thought
>>>>> experiment is to get to the root of a problem by isolating and
>>>>> eliminating variables.
>>>> Not when it comes to this subject. The only purpose of liberals is to
>>>> prove that no race is better than any other, whatever the fuck that
>>>> means.
>>> Better *at what*? What liberals mean, I think, is that people of every
>>> race deserve an equal shot at the good life. No person, because of his
>>> race, should have huge obstacles placed in front of him.
>> But it's the fucking conservatives who try to actually *give* everyone
>> an equal shot, instead of just mouthing feel-good shit. It's the
>> liberals who keep them enslaved with government handouts. And it's the
>> liberals who are placing obstacles in front of other races with
>> affirmative action. When it comes to jobs, blacks have it made. That
>> is, if they bother to look.
>Right wing bullshit.

Explain, please.