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On 3/7/2018 10:34 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 22:26:00 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>> On 3/7/2018 8:55 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:58:09 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>>>> On 3/7/2018 6:58 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:56:44 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/7/2018 9:04 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>>>>>> Of course. There is a genetic component to IQ.
>>>>>> Are you referring to *intelligence* when you say "IQ"?
>>>>>> "IQ tests" tend to test the ability to grasp certain types of abstract
>>>>>> problems. That is a specific type of intelligence. There are many kinds
>>>>>> of intelligence.
>>>>>>     If your experiment were
>>>>>>> tried thousands of times, there would be a pattern. I don't think
>>>>>>> there is any agreement on how "significant" the variance would be,
>>>>>>> though. The other problem is what Pickle mentions, that there is
>>>>>>> significant blurring among the races after so many years of human
>>>>>>> life. Where do you find the subjects of your experiment?
>>>>>> In my hypothetical scenario the children are all clearly representative
>>>>>> examples of their race.
>>>>> Well sure, so they are all identical, and race means nothing at all,
>>>>> so why even bring this up? Why select several different races at all?
>>>>> We are all fucking equal, so lets just grab a bunch of white kids.
>>>> I'm trying to make the point that a group of infants of different races
>>>> raised in the same environment facing the same challenges would likely
>>>> perform quite close to the same in terms of success in life. Once you
>>>> eliminate outside influences humans are not "equal" or "identical", but
>>>> very similar in potential.
>>> You are not making any point. You are expressing your feelings, and
>>> nothing else. Your feeling are wrong.
>> I'm expressing an opinion, and have no basis for your assertion that
>> it's wrong, except *your* feelings.
>>>>>>>> And I do not believe the exact scenario I described has ever been tried,
>>>>>>>> because it's not possible in the real world. There is no prejudice-free
>>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>> And that is at least part of my point. Once you understand why there
>>>>>>> is no such environment, and never will be, you will move closer to the
>>>>>>> smart (conservative) understanding of real life.
>>>>>> I realize there is no such environment. The purpose of a thought
>>>>>> experiment is to get to the root of a problem by isolating and
>>>>>> eliminating variables.
>>>>> Not when it comes to this subject. The only purpose of liberals is to
>>>>> prove that no race is better than any other, whatever the fuck that
>>>>> means.
>>>> Better *at what*? What liberals mean, I think, is that people of every
>>>> race deserve an equal shot at the good life. No person, because of his
>>>> race, should have huge obstacles placed in front of him.
>>> But it's the fucking conservatives who try to actually *give* everyone
>>> an equal shot, instead of just mouthing feel-good shit. It's the
>>> liberals who keep them enslaved with government handouts. And it's the
>>> liberals who are placing obstacles in front of other races with
>>> affirmative action. When it comes to jobs, blacks have it made. That
>>> is, if they bother to look.
>> Right wing bullshit.
> Explain, please.

Wrong, simplistic conclusions based on the knee-jerk tendency to see 
liberals at the root of every problem, and conservatives with all the 
answers. Bias has crippled your ability to think critically.