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On 3/8/2018 5:46 AM, da pickle wrote:
> On 3/7/2018 2:59 PM, Dutch wrote:
>> On 3/7/2018 5:02 AM, da pickle wrote:
>>> On 3/7/2018 2:02 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 3/6/2018 11:51 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 23:47:11 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/6/2018 7:26 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 18:25:32 -0800, Dutch<> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/6/2018 12:28 PM, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 6 March 2018 18:56:42 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Didn't you get the memo? Racism is only by white people, as it 
>>>>>>>>>> has been re-defined as discrimination plus power, as has sexism.
>>>>>>>>> Only by members of the loony liberal left, such as the Canadian 
>>>>>>>>> dhimmi.
>>>>>>>>> Sane people know what racism is. Which isn't, by the way, the 
>>>>>>>>> belief that not all races are equal, as Dutch recently stated.
>>>>>>>> Let's do a thought experiment. Say a white couple decides to 
>>>>>>>> adopt a
>>>>>>>> family and they adopt one infant of each race. Assume that the 
>>>>>>>> children
>>>>>>>> all receive the same upbringing and education and none is 
>>>>>>>> subjected to
>>>>>>>> any more bullying or discrimination during childhood than the 
>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>> Let's further assume that once they are adults none of them are
>>>>>>>> subjected to discrimination in hiring or in any other realm.
>>>>>>>> What would predict would be the likely outcome of this scenario for
>>>>>>>> these children, if the experiment was repeated thousands of times?
>>>>>>> We already know what you, like all liberals, think. That's 
>>>>>>> because you
>>>>>>> won't accept that human nature exists, and if you do, you believe 
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can change it. This is your utopia, where everyone is treated
>>>>>>> properly, so every outcome is great. But I tell you what would 
>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>> in your scenario - some of them are likely to turn into virulent
>>>>>>> racists, some of them will hate, some of them will fail in life. You
>>>>>>> know why? Because they are fucking human, that's why. There isn't a
>>>>>>> fucking thing you can do about it.
>>>>>>> Something you folks always forget is that these experiments have 
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> tried. In fact, pretty much any experiment you can think of has been
>>>>>>> tried, but they all fall into obscurity because they don't 
>>>>>>> produce the
>>>>>>> wanted results.
>>>>>>> While you think about all this, why don't you explain black slaves
>>>>>>> owned by blacks? How about white slaves of black owners? After you
>>>>>>> educate yourself we can go back to skin color considerations.
>>>>>> I can't be bothered to wade through all that. Could you please 
>>>>>> just give
>>>>>> me a direct answer to my hypothetical?
>>>>> I did, about halfway down in the first paragraph I wrote.
>>>> I see, OK. But my actual question is, all things being equal, as 
>>>> they are in my hypothetical scenario, do you believe there would be 
>>>> a significant difference in outcomes among the children that you can 
>>>> attribute to race?
>>>> And I do not believe the exact scenario I described has ever been 
>>>> tried, because it's not possible in the real world. There is no 
>>>> prejudice-free environment.
>>> First, you must define and differentiate biological "races" ... no 
>>> races, no difference (by definition).
>> OK
>> The children were, a negro baby from Nigeria, an Asian baby from SE 
>> Asia, an Indian baby from India, a Syrian baby,  a Hispanic baby from 
>> Nicaragua, a native baby from remote northern Canada, a native Pacific 
>> Island baby from Fiji, and a Caucasian baby from Poland. They all get 
>> the same upbringing and there are no external prejudices to cope with.
> It is surprising that Bill has not stepped in to explain that neither 
> "negro" nor "Asian" nor "Indian" nor "Syrian" nor "Hispanic" nor "native 
> baby from remote northern Canada" nor "native Pacific Island" nor 
> "Caucasian" is a "race" ... you must try harder, Dutch.
> No races ... no racism.

Use a more broad definition, along the lines of "race and ethnicity" if 
that will help you understand the question.