From: alvey <alvey@is.invalid>
Subject: Re: 12 STRONG: The Left is Upset (Again)
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Subject: Re: 12 STRONG: The Left is Upset (Again)
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:41:18 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:

> In article <mnexe2xk3m7x$.l0brsjqxezsg$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>  alvey<alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:16:08 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <pwsbC.537981$iX.302982@fx39.iad>,
>>>  moviePig<pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 1/28/2018 3:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> This guy has some serious issues to work through. His obvious issues
>>>>> with the military aside, he can't even stand that Hemsworth is
>>>>> good-looking. "Greviously handsome"? WTF?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, and contrary to the writer's claim, Hemsworth's Marines did a lot
>>>>> more than decimate the Taliban forces. They annihilated them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----------------
>>>>> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/27/12-strong-war-movies-masculinity
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Maass
>>>>> January 27 2018
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Hollywood Reporter published a surprising story earlier this month
>>>>> about film studios turning away from movies about sex. A biopic about
>>>>> Hugh Hefner is stalled, gone for the moment is a James Franco film about
>>>>> a 15-year-old Russian prostitute, and a remake of A STAR IS BORN is
>>>>> being re-thought, too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "As Hollywood begins to navigate the #MeToo landscape," Tatiana Siegel
>>>>> reported, "one of the first casualties appears to be big-screen erotica.
>>>>> In the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal, studios are steering clear
>>>>> of sex." Alyssa Rosenberg, writing in the Washington Post, hopes that
>>>>> Hollywood's embarrassed executives are navigating "the end of a very
>>>>> narrow way of thinking about what's alluring." Instead of movies that
>>>>> objectify women, she suggests more films that portray sex and sexuality
>>>>> in intelligent ways.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This reckoning is long overdue. And it can be extended to another genre
>>>>> that has distorted how men behave: war movies. Hollywood has shown
>>>>> itself capable of making excellent war movies (think THREE KINGS, PATHS
>>>>> OF GLORY, and THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES), but most are problematic.
>>>>> Some of the biggest war movies of the post-9/11 era don't just show
>>>>> violence in ways that are often gratuitous and occasionally racist. They
>>>>> model a cliched form of masculinity that veers from simplistic to
>>>>> monstrous.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For instance, you can see Rambo and John Wayne return to life in the
>>>>> latest war blockbuster, 12 STRONG, which was produced by Jerry
>>>>> Bruckheimer, who also brought us BLACK HAWK DOWN. 12 STRONG is an
>>>>> extravaganza about a Special Forces team that fought the Taliban in
>>>>> Afghanistan in the weeks and months after 9/11. During the movie's
>>>>> pivotal scene, the leader of the Green Berets, played by Chris Hemsworth
>>>>> (the grievously handsome star of the THOR franchise), decimates a hive
>>>>> of Taliban fighters with his rifle ablaze as he gallops ahead on his
>>>>> fearless horse (yes, he's riding a horse). In the same way that
>>>>> Hemsworth's assault weapon goes rat-tat-tat and the bad guys fall like
>>>>> bulleted dominoes, the scene itself checks off one born-in-Hollywood
>>>>> clich矡fter another: of the rugged gunslinger, the warrior in camo,
>>>>> good versus evil, the modern vanquishing the profane, a man at his
>>>>> fullest.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Whenever I write about the real-world impact of war movies-- and I've
>>>>> gone to bat against AMERICAN SNIPER, ZERO DARK THIRTY and 13 HOURS-- I
>>>>> always get responses along the lines of "Relax, these are just movies.
>>>>> Don't take them so seriously. They're harmless." That's when it becomes
>>>>> necessary to say that movies can create or reinforce narratives of
>>>>> history and gender that influence what people think and what they do.
>>>>> Boys and men develop their notions of masculinity from a variety of
>>>>> sources that include the films they watch (the extent to which this is
>>>>> true is, of course, open to debate). The time has come for Hollywood to
>>>>> turn away from war movies that, while satisfying to both a studio's
>>>>> bottom line and a flag-waving concept of patriotism, perpetuate a model
>>>>> of masculinity that does violence to us all.
>>>> 
>>>> Though I (fwiw) am neither upset, nor upset if the Left's upset, I'm 
>>>> curious to know which of this guy's ideas you find particularly absurd.
>>> 
>>> Um... all of them?
>> 
>> Why is the Right always so inarticulate?
> 
> Why is it the Left reliably lacks any semblance of a sense of humor 

Ashley, I'd have a small bet that more comedians are Left than Right. (See
'inarticulate')

> and/or is incapable of getting a movie reference in a movie newsgroup?

Rightttt.



alvey