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On 1/28/2018 9:25 PM, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:41:18 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
> 
>> In article <mnexe2xk3m7x$.l0brsjqxezsg$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>>   alvey<alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:16:08 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <pwsbC.537981$iX.302982@fx39.iad>,
>>>>   moviePig<pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/28/2018 3:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> This guy has some serious issues to work through. His obvious issues
>>>>>> with the military aside, he can't even stand that Hemsworth is
>>>>>> good-looking. "Greviously handsome"? WTF?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, and contrary to the writer's claim, Hemsworth's Marines did a lot
>>>>>> more than decimate the Taliban forces. They annihilated them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/27/12-strong-war-movies-masculinity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter Maass
>>>>>> January 27 2018
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Hollywood Reporter published a surprising story earlier this month
>>>>>> about film studios turning away from movies about sex. A biopic about
>>>>>> Hugh Hefner is stalled, gone for the moment is a James Franco film about
>>>>>> a 15-year-old Russian prostitute, and a remake of A STAR IS BORN is
>>>>>> being re-thought, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "As Hollywood begins to navigate the #MeToo landscape," Tatiana Siegel
>>>>>> reported, "one of the first casualties appears to be big-screen erotica.
>>>>>> In the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal, studios are steering clear
>>>>>> of sex." Alyssa Rosenberg, writing in the Washington Post, hopes that
>>>>>> Hollywood's embarrassed executives are navigating "the end of a very
>>>>>> narrow way of thinking about what's alluring." Instead of movies that
>>>>>> objectify women, she suggests more films that portray sex and sexuality
>>>>>> in intelligent ways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This reckoning is long overdue. And it can be extended to another genre
>>>>>> that has distorted how men behave: war movies. Hollywood has shown
>>>>>> itself capable of making excellent war movies (think THREE KINGS, PATHS
>>>>>> OF GLORY, and THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES), but most are problematic.
>>>>>> Some of the biggest war movies of the post-9/11 era don't just show
>>>>>> violence in ways that are often gratuitous and occasionally racist. They
>>>>>> model a cliched form of masculinity that veers from simplistic to
>>>>>> monstrous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For instance, you can see Rambo and John Wayne return to life in the
>>>>>> latest war blockbuster, 12 STRONG, which was produced by Jerry
>>>>>> Bruckheimer, who also brought us BLACK HAWK DOWN. 12 STRONG is an
>>>>>> extravaganza about a Special Forces team that fought the Taliban in
>>>>>> Afghanistan in the weeks and months after 9/11. During the movie's
>>>>>> pivotal scene, the leader of the Green Berets, played by Chris Hemsworth
>>>>>> (the grievously handsome star of the THOR franchise), decimates a hive
>>>>>> of Taliban fighters with his rifle ablaze as he gallops ahead on his
>>>>>> fearless horse (yes, he's riding a horse). In the same way that
>>>>>> Hemsworth's assault weapon goes rat-tat-tat and the bad guys fall like
>>>>>> bulleted dominoes, the scene itself checks off one born-in-Hollywood
>>>>>> clich矡fter another: of the rugged gunslinger, the warrior in camo,
>>>>>> good versus evil, the modern vanquishing the profane, a man at his
>>>>>> fullest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whenever I write about the real-world impact of war movies-- and I've
>>>>>> gone to bat against AMERICAN SNIPER, ZERO DARK THIRTY and 13 HOURS-- I
>>>>>> always get responses along the lines of "Relax, these are just movies.
>>>>>> Don't take them so seriously. They're harmless." That's when it becomes
>>>>>> necessary to say that movies can create or reinforce narratives of
>>>>>> history and gender that influence what people think and what they do.
>>>>>> Boys and men develop their notions of masculinity from a variety of
>>>>>> sources that include the films they watch (the extent to which this is
>>>>>> true is, of course, open to debate). The time has come for Hollywood to
>>>>>> turn away from war movies that, while satisfying to both a studio's
>>>>>> bottom line and a flag-waving concept of patriotism, perpetuate a model
>>>>>> of masculinity that does violence to us all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though I (fwiw) am neither upset, nor upset if the Left's upset, I'm
>>>>> curious to know which of this guy's ideas you find particularly absurd.
>>>>
>>>> Um... all of them?
>>>
>>> Why is the Right always so inarticulate?
>>
>> Why is it the Left reliably lacks any semblance of a sense of humor
> 
> Ashley, I'd have a small bet that more comedians are Left than Right. (See
> 'inarticulate')
> 
>> and/or is incapable of getting a movie reference in a movie newsgroup?
> 
> Rightttt.

Not that this should necessarily make you feel less shamed, but I, too, 
had to look up the quote ...after learning it *was* a quote ...and the 
movie it was quoted from ...and seeing the clip.  But now it seems like 
only yesterday ...well, earlier today.

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