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In article <45GbC.1718$Ia3.404@fx44.iad>,
 moviePig<pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 1/28/2018 6:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <pwsbC.537981$iX.302982@fx39.iad>,
> >   moviePig<pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 1/28/2018 3:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> This guy has some serious issues to work through. His obvious issues
> >>> with the military aside, he can't even stand that Hemsworth is
> >>> good-looking. "Greviously handsome"? WTF?
> >>>
> >>> Oh, and contrary to the writer's claim, Hemsworth's Marines did a lot
> >>> more than decimate the Taliban forces. They annihilated them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----------------
> >>> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/27/12-strong-war-movies-masculinity
> >>>
> >>> Peter Maass
> >>> January 27 2018
> >>>
> >>> The Hollywood Reporter published a surprising story earlier this month
> >>> about film studios turning away from movies about sex. A biopic about
> >>> Hugh Hefner is stalled, gone for the moment is a James Franco film about
> >>> a 15-year-old Russian prostitute, and a remake of A STAR IS BORN is
> >>> being re-thought, too.
> >>>
> >>> "As Hollywood begins to navigate the #MeToo landscape," Tatiana Siegel
> >>> reported, "one of the first casualties appears to be big-screen erotica.
> >>> In the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal, studios are steering clear
> >>> of sex." Alyssa Rosenberg, writing in the Washington Post, hopes that
> >>> Hollywood's embarrassed executives are navigating "the end of a very
> >>> narrow way of thinking about what's alluring." Instead of movies that
> >>> objectify women, she suggests more films that portray sex and sexuality
> >>> in intelligent ways.
> >>>
> >>> This reckoning is long overdue. And it can be extended to another genre
> >>> that has distorted how men behave: war movies. Hollywood has shown
> >>> itself capable of making excellent war movies (think THREE KINGS, PATHS
> >>> OF GLORY, and THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES), but most are problematic.
> >>> Some of the biggest war movies of the post-9/11 era don't just show
> >>> violence in ways that are often gratuitous and occasionally racist. They
> >>> model a cliched form of masculinity that veers from simplistic to
> >>> monstrous.
> >>>
> >>> For instance, you can see Rambo and John Wayne return to life in the
> >>> latest war blockbuster, 12 STRONG, which was produced by Jerry
> >>> Bruckheimer, who also brought us BLACK HAWK DOWN. 12 STRONG is an
> >>> extravaganza about a Special Forces team that fought the Taliban in
> >>> Afghanistan in the weeks and months after 9/11. During the movie's
> >>> pivotal scene, the leader of the Green Berets, played by Chris Hemsworth
> >>> (the grievously handsome star of the THOR franchise), decimates a hive
> >>> of Taliban fighters with his rifle ablaze as he gallops ahead on his
> >>> fearless horse (yes, he's riding a horse). In the same way that
> >>> Hemsworth's assault weapon goes rat-tat-tat and the bad guys fall like
> >>> bulleted dominoes, the scene itself checks off one born-in-Hollywood
> >>> cliché after another: of the rugged gunslinger, the warrior in camo,
> >>> good versus evil, the modern vanquishing the profane, a man at his
> >>> fullest.
> >>>
> >>> Whenever I write about the real-world impact of war movies-- and I've
> >>> gone to bat against AMERICAN SNIPER, ZERO DARK THIRTY and 13 HOURS-- I
> >>> always get responses along the lines of "Relax, these are just movies.
> >>> Don't take them so seriously. They're harmless." That's when it becomes
> >>> necessary to say that movies can create or reinforce narratives of
> >>> history and gender that influence what people think and what they do.
> >>> Boys and men develop their notions of masculinity from a variety of
> >>> sources that include the films they watch (the extent to which this is
> >>> true is, of course, open to debate). The time has come for Hollywood to
> >>> turn away from war movies that, while satisfying to both a studio's
> >>> bottom line and a flag-waving concept of patriotism, perpetuate a model
> >>> of masculinity that does violence to us all.
> >>
> >> Though I (fwiw) am neither upset, nor upset if the Left's upset, I'm
> >> curious to know which of this guy's ideas you find particularly absurd.
> > 
> > Um... all of them?
> 
> Then let's take two:
> 
>     "Instead of movies that objectify women, [I suggest] more films that 
> portray sex and sexuality in intelligent ways."
> 
>     "[Most war-movies] model a cliched form of masculinity that veers 
> from simplistic to monstrous."
> 
> If each of those points is absurd, what's your alternative view?

That they're neither simplistic nor monstrous and Hemsworth's looks are 
hardly 'grievous'.