From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: 12 STRONG: The Left is Upset (Again)
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In article <wVIbC.3044$at7.117@fx43.iad>,
 moviePig<pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> On 1/29/2018 11:56 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article <45GbC.1718$Ia3.404@fx44.iad>,
> >   moviePig<pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 1/28/2018 6:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article <pwsbC.537981$iX.302982@fx39.iad>,
> >>>    moviePig<pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

> >>>> Though I (fwiw) am neither upset, nor upset if the Left's upset, I'm
> >>>> curious to know which of this guy's ideas you find particularly absurd.
> >>>
> >>> Um... all of them?
> >>
> >> Then let's take two:
> >>
> >>      "Instead of movies that objectify women, [I suggest] more films that
> >> portray sex and sexuality in intelligent ways."
> >>
> >>      "[Most war-movies] model a cliched form of masculinity that veers
> >> from simplistic to monstrous."
> >>
> >> If each of those points is absurd, what's your alternative view?
> > 
> > That they're neither simplistic nor monstrous and Hemsworth's looks are
> > hardly 'grievous'.
> 
> So, I infer that you in fact *don't* contest the first quote (about 
> objectifying women).

No, I'm just bored with that whole nonsense. Men are just as objectified 
in movies.

> In the second quote, he actually called Hemsworth "grievously 
> *handsome*", which seems entirely analogous to "awfully good-looking" or 
> "terribly attractive". Moreover, in (non-Oscar) combat movies, 
> 'simplistic cliched masculinity' seems a rather common trope.

Only if you go in with that mindset from the get-go. There was nothing 
simplistic or cliched in AMERICAN SNIPER or ZERO DARK THIRTY, which this 
preening ass lumped in with his whine about 12 STRONG.

> Point being that, while some of the Left-leaning loons you dig up and 
> post here do occasionally illustrate a degree of entertaining lunacy, my 
> sense is that you didn't bother to actually read this guy...

I read the entire thing. He's a lunatic who rises and sleeps under the 
blanket of freedom the men and women he loathes provide, then questions 
the manner in which they provide it.