From: alvey <alvey@is.invalid>
Subject: Re: 12 STRONG: The Left is Upset (Again)
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Subject: Re: 12 STRONG: The Left is Upset (Again)
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:37:01 -0500, moviePig wrote:

> On 1/28/2018 9:25 PM, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:41:18 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <mnexe2xk3m7x$.l0brsjqxezsg$.dlg@40tude.net>,
>>>   alvey<alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2018 15:16:08 -0800, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <pwsbC.537981$iX.302982@fx39.iad>,
>>>>>   moviePig<pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/28/2018 3:26 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> This guy has some serious issues to work through. His obvious issues
>>>>>>> with the military aside, he can't even stand that Hemsworth is
>>>>>>> good-looking. "Greviously handsome"? WTF?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, and contrary to the writer's claim, Hemsworth's Marines did a lot
>>>>>>> more than decimate the Taliban forces. They annihilated them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>> https://theintercept.com/2018/01/27/12-strong-war-movies-masculinity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Maass
>>>>>>> January 27 2018
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Hollywood Reporter published a surprising story earlier this month
>>>>>>> about film studios turning away from movies about sex. A biopic about
>>>>>>> Hugh Hefner is stalled, gone for the moment is a James Franco film about
>>>>>>> a 15-year-old Russian prostitute, and a remake of A STAR IS BORN is
>>>>>>> being re-thought, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "As Hollywood begins to navigate the #MeToo landscape," Tatiana Siegel
>>>>>>> reported, "one of the first casualties appears to be big-screen erotica.
>>>>>>> In the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal, studios are steering clear
>>>>>>> of sex." Alyssa Rosenberg, writing in the Washington Post, hopes that
>>>>>>> Hollywood's embarrassed executives are navigating "the end of a very
>>>>>>> narrow way of thinking about what's alluring." Instead of movies that
>>>>>>> objectify women, she suggests more films that portray sex and sexuality
>>>>>>> in intelligent ways.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This reckoning is long overdue. And it can be extended to another genre
>>>>>>> that has distorted how men behave: war movies. Hollywood has shown
>>>>>>> itself capable of making excellent war movies (think THREE KINGS, PATHS
>>>>>>> OF GLORY, and THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES), but most are problematic.
>>>>>>> Some of the biggest war movies of the post-9/11 era don't just show
>>>>>>> violence in ways that are often gratuitous and occasionally racist. They
>>>>>>> model a cliched form of masculinity that veers from simplistic to
>>>>>>> monstrous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For instance, you can see Rambo and John Wayne return to life in the
>>>>>>> latest war blockbuster, 12 STRONG, which was produced by Jerry
>>>>>>> Bruckheimer, who also brought us BLACK HAWK DOWN. 12 STRONG is an
>>>>>>> extravaganza about a Special Forces team that fought the Taliban in
>>>>>>> Afghanistan in the weeks and months after 9/11. During the movie's
>>>>>>> pivotal scene, the leader of the Green Berets, played by Chris Hemsworth
>>>>>>> (the grievously handsome star of the THOR franchise), decimates a hive
>>>>>>> of Taliban fighters with his rifle ablaze as he gallops ahead on his
>>>>>>> fearless horse (yes, he's riding a horse). In the same way that
>>>>>>> Hemsworth's assault weapon goes rat-tat-tat and the bad guys fall like
>>>>>>> bulleted dominoes, the scene itself checks off one born-in-Hollywood
>>>>>>> clich矡fter another: of the rugged gunslinger, the warrior in camo,
>>>>>>> good versus evil, the modern vanquishing the profane, a man at his
>>>>>>> fullest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whenever I write about the real-world impact of war movies-- and I've
>>>>>>> gone to bat against AMERICAN SNIPER, ZERO DARK THIRTY and 13 HOURS-- I
>>>>>>> always get responses along the lines of "Relax, these are just movies.
>>>>>>> Don't take them so seriously. They're harmless." That's when it becomes
>>>>>>> necessary to say that movies can create or reinforce narratives of
>>>>>>> history and gender that influence what people think and what they do.
>>>>>>> Boys and men develop their notions of masculinity from a variety of
>>>>>>> sources that include the films they watch (the extent to which this is
>>>>>>> true is, of course, open to debate). The time has come for Hollywood to
>>>>>>> turn away from war movies that, while satisfying to both a studio's
>>>>>>> bottom line and a flag-waving concept of patriotism, perpetuate a model
>>>>>>> of masculinity that does violence to us all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Though I (fwiw) am neither upset, nor upset if the Left's upset, I'm
>>>>>> curious to know which of this guy's ideas you find particularly absurd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Um... all of them?
>>>>
>>>> Why is the Right always so inarticulate?
>>>
>>> Why is it the Left reliably lacks any semblance of a sense of humor
>> 
>> Ashley, I'd have a small bet that more comedians are Left than Right. (See
>> 'inarticulate')
>> 
>>> and/or is incapable of getting a movie reference in a movie newsgroup?
>> 
>> Rightttt.
> 
> Not that this should necessarily make you feel less shamed, but I, too, 
> had to look up the quote ...after learning it *was* a quote ...and the 
> movie it was quoted from ...and seeing the clip.  But now it seems like 
> only yesterday ...well, earlier today.

Having concluded that BTR1701 is... well, you know, I didn't bother
tracking it down. The only film I could think of with that line was 'Butch
Cassidy...'. But that didn't make any contextual sense, so it probably was.

And I'd opine that the argument of Peter Maas is perfectly valid. 



alvey