From: Obveeus <>
Subject: Re: NOCTURNE (no spoilers)
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Subject: Re: NOCTURNE (no spoilers)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:33:59 -0500
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On 2/7/2018 10:11 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 2/7/2018 8:37 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>> On 2/7/2018 12:31 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 2/7/2018 10:41 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>> On 2/7/2018 9:18 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>> On 2/6/2018 10:59 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/6/2018 6:25 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/6/2018 5:47 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2018 5:33 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Six high-school seniors gather for an evening of partying and 
>>>>>>>>> spooky soul-searching.  For the first half of its 90 minutes, 
>>>>>>>>> NOCTURNE promises a somewhat stylish and above-average 
>>>>>>>>> horror-flick.  Then the second-half goes off the rails like a 
>>>>>>>>> bent bicycle.  Minimally recommended.
>>>>>>>> NOCTURNE a film that really does look like a direct to DVD 
>>>>>>>> offering with a 4.7 IMDB score and yet you watched this while 
>>>>>>>> forgoing the 6.0 THE CLOVERFIELD PARADOX?
>>>>>>> I go into each movie pursuing a glimmer of hope.  But a movie 
>>>>>>> being blatantly painted over to ride another's coattails snuffs 
>>>>>>> that out.
>>>>>> By 'painted over', I guess you me rewrite draft of a script?
>>>>>> Side note:  the last CLOVERFIELD film (10 CLOVERFIELD LANE) was 
>>>>>> also a rewrite of a different spec film script (THE CELLAR).
>>>>> If tCP was merely a rewrite, i.e., was "Cloverfield"ed before the 
>>>>> cameras ever rolled, that'd make a difference to me.  But I thought 
>>>>> it was filmed, shelved, and then re-titled with extreme prejudice.
>>>>  From wiki:
>>>> QUOTE:
>>>> The film was shot in Los Angeles, California, where it received tax 
>>>> credits under the state's film incentive program.[19] While filming 
>>>> in Los Angeles, the project was shot under the titles of God 
>>>> Particle and Clean Pass.[20] Filming began on June 10, 2016 and 
>>>> wrapped on September 23, 2016.[17] According to Uziel, it was during 
>>>> production that he came to learn that the film was being connected 
>>>> to Cloverfield, requiring him to rewrite a few scenes and added 
>>>> addition shooting.[9] Uziel speculated that the decision to connect 
>>>> to Cloverfield was due to the difficulty in marketing a stand-alone 
>>>> science-fiction film at the time, and felt the connection between 
>>>> the films was more of an anthology series similar to The Twilight 
>>>> Zone, with each movie dealing with how people with complex relations 
>>>> deal with a other-worldly dilemma.[9]
>>>> That paragraph would appear to me to indicate that the rewriting and 
>>>> filming of CLOVERFIELD tie-in stuff occurred during the original 
>>>> filming of the project.  there is other stuff at the link that hints 
>>>> that the script sat around for a few years before any filming began 
>>>> (probably because most scripts do and because of studio/ownership 
>>>> changes).  Also, after filming, the link explains some delay in 
>>>> release as they worked on an ARG video game tie-in and wrung their 
>>>> hands about how the high cost of the film would prevent it from 
>>>> becoming a theatrical success.
>>> So he did the re-writes "during" shooting, a sort-of hybrid status. 
>>> Then, however, they judged the result unworthy of theaters.  A year 
>>> later, the Netflix deal materialized.
>>> Afaics, the most favorable indicator therein is the Netflix badge -- 
>>> better than, say, a Showtime premiere, but not as auspicious as a 
>>> 2,000 theater Friday.
>> What if it was a 2,000 theater opening in February?
>> We are in the month when garbage is traditionally dumped to the big 
>> screens.
> Without researching, my sense is that, over the past 10 or 15 years, the 
> wee months have seen more respectable thriller/horrors than previously. 

Respectable military intelligence?  Horror is the genre 
most associated with schlock.

> And remember, this is a February *streaming* release.  Still, of course, 
> I'll welcome any firsthand reports that I'm wrong...

An article addressing the last couple of CLOVERFIELD films as rewrites 
of unrelated stand alone scripts as well as some other films like