On 2/8/2018 9:33 AM, Obveeus wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2/7/2018 10:11 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 2/7/2018 8:37 PM, Obveeus wrote:
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>>> On 2/7/2018 12:31 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 2/7/2018 10:41 AM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/7/2018 9:18 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/6/2018 10:59 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/6/2018 6:25 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2018 5:47 PM, Obveeus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2018 5:33 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Six high-school seniors gather for an evening of partying and 
>>>>>>>>>> spooky soul-searching.  For the first half of its 90 minutes, 
>>>>>>>>>> NOCTURNE promises a somewhat stylish and above-average 
>>>>>>>>>> horror-flick.  Then the second-half goes off the rails like a 
>>>>>>>>>> bent bicycle.  Minimally recommended.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NOCTURNE a film that really does look like a direct to DVD 
>>>>>>>>> offering with a 4.7 IMDB score and yet you watched this while 
>>>>>>>>> forgoing the 6.0 THE CLOVERFIELD PARADOX?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I go into each movie pursuing a glimmer of hope.  But a movie 
>>>>>>>> being blatantly painted over to ride another's coattails snuffs 
>>>>>>>> that out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By 'painted over', I guess you me rewrite draft of a script?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Side note:  the last CLOVERFIELD film (10 CLOVERFIELD LANE) was 
>>>>>>> also a rewrite of a different spec film script (THE CELLAR).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If tCP was merely a rewrite, i.e., was "Cloverfield"ed before the 
>>>>>> cameras ever rolled, that'd make a difference to me.  But I 
>>>>>> thought it was filmed, shelved, and then re-titled with extreme 
>>>>>> prejudice.
>>>>>
>>>>>  From wiki:
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cloverfield_Paradox
>>>>>
>>>>> QUOTE:
>>>>> The film was shot in Los Angeles, California, where it received tax 
>>>>> credits under the state's film incentive program.[19] While filming 
>>>>> in Los Angeles, the project was shot under the titles of God 
>>>>> Particle and Clean Pass.[20] Filming began on June 10, 2016 and 
>>>>> wrapped on September 23, 2016.[17] According to Uziel, it was 
>>>>> during production that he came to learn that the film was being 
>>>>> connected to Cloverfield, requiring him to rewrite a few scenes and 
>>>>> added addition shooting.[9] Uziel speculated that the decision to 
>>>>> connect to Cloverfield was due to the difficulty in marketing a 
>>>>> stand-alone science-fiction film at the time, and felt the 
>>>>> connection between the films was more of an anthology series 
>>>>> similar to The Twilight Zone, with each movie dealing with how 
>>>>> people with complex relations deal with a other-worldly dilemma.[9]
>>>>> :UNQUOTE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That paragraph would appear to me to indicate that the rewriting 
>>>>> and filming of CLOVERFIELD tie-in stuff occurred during the 
>>>>> original filming of the project.  there is other stuff at the link 
>>>>> that hints that the script sat around for a few years before any 
>>>>> filming began (probably because most scripts do and because of 
>>>>> studio/ownership changes).  Also, after filming, the link explains 
>>>>> some delay in release as they worked on an ARG video game tie-in 
>>>>> and wrung their hands about how the high cost of the film would 
>>>>> prevent it from becoming a theatrical success.
>>>>
>>>> So he did the re-writes "during" shooting, a sort-of hybrid status. 
>>>> Then, however, they judged the result unworthy of theaters.  A year 
>>>> later, the Netflix deal materialized.
>>>>
>>>> Afaics, the most favorable indicator therein is the Netflix badge -- 
>>>> better than, say, a Showtime premiere, but not as auspicious as a 
>>>> 2,000 theater Friday.
>>>
>>> What if it was a 2,000 theater opening in February?
>>> We are in the month when garbage is traditionally dumped to the big 
>>> screens.
>>
>> Without researching, my sense is that, over the past 10 or 15 years, 
>> the wee months have seen more respectable thriller/horrors than 
>> previously. 
> 
> Respectable horrors...like military intelligence?  Horror is the genre 
> most associated with schlock.

Well, yes.  As much as I seek out horror, my cinematic standards for it 
are... umm... lower.  They have to be...


>> And remember, this is a February *streaming* release.  Still, of 
>> course, I'll welcome any firsthand reports that I'm wrong...
> 
> An article addressing the last couple of CLOVERFIELD films as rewrites 
> of unrelated stand alone scripts as well as some other films like 
> DIEHARD WITH A VENGENCE, SAW II, EVAN ALMIGHTY and (almost) SOLACE:
> 
>
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/feb/08/the-sequel-paradox-when... 

Pretty good.  And of course I saw most of those, with nary a suspicion.

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