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From: PeterN <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net>
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Subject: Re: A lightroom question
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 11:28:04 -0400
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On 10/28/2017 11:26 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> On Oct 26, 2017, Savageduck wrote
> (in article<0001HW.1FA22B1B034B2B927000073692CF@news.giganews.com>):
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2017, PeterN wrote
>> (in article<ossodb0278v@news3.newsguy.com>):
>>
>>> On 10/25/2017 12:55 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>>> On Oct 25, 2017, PeterN wrote
>>>> (in article<osqdji017ak@news3.newsguy.com>):
>>>>
>>>>> I use Lightroom CC Classic and Photoshop CC.
>>>>> I send images to various people and competitions. Before I send the
>>>>> image I place it in a dedicated folder. Sometimes, while reviewing the
>>>>> images, I see something that should be changed. If it is a JPEG image I
>>>>> go back to the original, make the change, then make requisite size and
>>>>> color space changes, and re-save. All of that takes a lot of time. Does
>>>>> anyone know how to directly save the change using only LR? I don't want
>>>>> to do this on JPEG files, but only on tiff.
>>>>
>>>> How are you sending the images, individual, or a folder of images, Dropbox,
>>>> or Adobe CC?
>>>>
>>>> One way to make the change adjustment to any image file. JPEG, PSD, TIFF,
>>>> when using LR is to use the export dialog. Using my method you can readjust
>>>> JPEGs without degradation.
>>>>
>>>> I usually start with a virtual copy in Lightroom and make the
>>>> edits/adjustments. When I think the image is ready for export, I go to the
>>>> export dialog where I have presets for various cloud services such as
>>>> Dropbox, or Adobe CC. I might have a Dropbox “DEMO” folder, or an Adobe
>>>> “Project x” folder, and I can designate sub-folders if I need them. I
>>>> can
>>>> export adjusted originals, resized, or in the case of JPEGs, resized, and
>>>> comprerssion level.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/gcyqgy6o1ckr47k/screenshot_206.png>
>>>>
>>>> If I find that the edited image exported to DB, or Adobe CC needs further
>>>> adjustment, I just go to Lightroom and make the new adjustments to the LR
>>>> virtual copy. I then re-export without changing the export file name. A
>>>> dialog/warning window will open advising that the file name already exists.
>>>> You will be given several options; Overwrite, which will overwrite and
>>>> replace the existing TIFF/JPEG ; Skip to skip the existing file; “Use
>>>> Unique Names” which will add a number to the file name giving you two
>>>> copies in the export location.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Some of the time the adjustment can easily be fixed in LR, and sometimes
>>> the adjustment can only be done in PS. I think you answered my issue for
>>> JPEG. If I have a JPEG in my LR collection that has been previously
>>> exported, since later adjustments will be to the LR copy, and not the
>>> exported JPEG, it will not cause further degradation.
>>> Is my understanding correct?
>>
>> That is correct. However, you shouldn’t have an LR JPEG copy anyway, you
>> don’t need it. Unless you are using Instagram.
>>
>> Also, if you have made additional edits using PS as an external editor for LR
>> you should remember to not merge, or flatten layers or use “Save as”.
>> When you have reached the point you wish to return the work to LR just
>> “Save”. That way the PS layers are retained in LR, and that layered copy
>> can be exported in as any file type you choose in the Export dialog. The LR
>> Export function will take care of any conversion to JPEG you don’t have to
>> do that in PS with a “Save as”. I don’t usually have JPEGs in LR. If I
>> want to do further LR adustments before export I just make a Virtual copy of
>> the returned PS edited file and edit that.
>>
>> So, if your NEF in LR has been made into a Virtual Copy for LR adustment, and
>> then sent to PS for advanced edits after those LR adjustments are made. All
>> you do is complete your PS work without conversion to JPEG in PS and “Save
>> as” just “Save”. Now if it doesn’t matter what the exported file is,
>> you do not have the JPEG in LR, it only exists in the export location, and
>> that might be in Dropbox, or Adobe CC, or wherever.
>>
>> If you need to adjust the exported file regardless of type you have options
>> to make minor adjustments in LR to the file you exported, and then re-export
>> to overwrite the file at the export location, or you can go to the file that
>> has been returned to LR and return it to PS by choosing “Edit in PS” and
>> in the option dialog select “Edit Original”. That way it will open in PS
>> with all the layers intact, ready for you to do whatever evil you care to.
>> “Save” once again, and the adjustments will show in the LR version which
>> is now ready to re-export to overwrite whatever is in the export location.
>>
>> ...and you still have no JPEG in LR, just the export location.
> 
> Have you been able to follow any of what I have detailed, regarding
> re-editing both PS and/or LR exported files?
> 
> If so, has it helped provide enough guidance to answer your question?
> 
> I was just wondering about that.
> 

Thank you. All of it.

-- 
PeterN