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Subject: Re: Ripe Apples
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Subject: Re: Ripe Apples
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:58:17 -0500
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In article<>, PeterN
<"peter,newdelete"> wrote:

> >>> meanwhile, the rest of the world wants to do actual work, not open
> >>> up their computer and swap parts all day long.
> >>
> >> The usual asshat reply from nospam.   People don't "swap parts all day
> >> long".  They do it when needed from time to time.
> > 
> > actually, they don't. the vast majority of users have someone else
> > repair their computer, just as they do with their cars, tvs and other
> > products.
> > 
> >> When a drive is failing, failed or not large enough it is trivial to
> >> remove and replace.  About 10 minutes with most desktops.
> > 
> > only if someone has the skills and tools.
> Most people I know have the necessary screwdrivers. If not, they are 
> available at their local hardware store, for very little money. It is 
> trivial to open the box and add a drive, or memory.

trivial for you and me.

trivial for the average consumer, not so much.

> I have someone else 
> do it, because of a physical limitation.

so it doesn't actually matter. you're making my point.

> When I tell a repair guy what I 
> want, and stand there and watch, the time to repair is short, and the 
> price is very reasonable.

not all repairs are that quick and not all places will let you watch.

try that at an auto repair shop. 

> > while readers of usenet might, the general public is not going to open
> > up a computer to swap a hard drive.


> >> On a current iMac it can easily take an hour or more.  Tedious.  And no
> >> reason to make it so difficult other than the Apple aesthetic.
> > 
> > the reason is that opening a computer is rarely done, if ever, and
> > optimizing for that scenario stupid.
> By that reasoning, all PC box manufacturers and assemblers, including HP 
> and Dell are run by stupid people.

pretty much, and a very accurate assessment of dell.

hp has a few interesting products, such as the spectre and yoga, but
otherwise, it's the same old boring stuff.

> > it makes a lot more sense to optimize a computer for every day use,
> > versus something that *might* happen.
> > 
> > some cars have the battery in the wheel well, requiring a wheel to be
> > removed just to swap the battery. since car batteries usually last 5-10
> > years, that's a very good design decision.
> > 
> Ah! more vague advice from the world's best industrial designer.

more insults and there's nothing vague about it.