From: J. P. Gilliver (John) <>
Subject: Re: Windows freeware to lock in a 3: or 4:3 aspect ratio for cropping
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From: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <>
Subject: Re: Windows freeware to lock in a 3: or 4:3 aspect ratio for cropping
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:43:20 +0000
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In message <1sucv1hqkm69j.1srj76gl8tuo7$>, JJ<> writes:
>On Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:35:36 -0500, nospam wrote:
>> In article <n0lmy7amjq04$>, JJ
>><> wrote:
>>>>>   This is designed to be simple, quick cropping and
>>>>> resizing, while retaining the best possible image
>>>>> quality when desired. (Crop a JPG and you'll
>>>>> lose some quality,
>>>> not when it's a lossless or non-destructive crop.
>>> That's true for lossless. But the cropping itself is always destructive.
>> no it isn't.
>You misunderstood. If you crop an image to keep only the left side, the
>right ride of the image will be gone. Meaning that the crop function itself
>removes data. Whether there's an undo or redo functionality or not, that an
>entire different function.
And you misunderstood our response. _Of course_ cropping discards 
information - but it was information you didn't want! But also, when you 
re-save a JPG image after doing anything to it, the lossy compression is 
usually re-applied, meaning the information in the _remaining_ part of 
the image is further degraded. Some of us were just pointing out that 
there is available "lossless JPEG cropping". which achieves a crop 
_without_ further degradation of the kept part of the image.
>> bmp is obsolete.
>In a Mac OS, BMP isn't even the native image container. So, I would be
>obvious that most, if not all of Mac softwares don't use BMP.
>In Windows however, not so. BMP is the native image format in that OS. i.e.
>used by the graphic kernel.

The information in the graphics RAM while a picture is on screen - 
whatever the OS - is going to be raw image data, regardless of how it 
was saved to or loaded from disc. (What _is_ the "native" format for 
Macs then?)
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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