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Subject: Re: The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence
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From: ultred ragnusen <>
Subject: Re: The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 07:02:19 -0800
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Davoud<> wrote:

> As for the safety of phones, what I might or might not know about that
> is not for your eyes. In essence, the safety of your mobile phone lies
> in the fact that no one is listening. You and your communications are
> of no importance to the intelligence community.

You /wish/ that were the case the our government doesn't illegally spy on
our citizens, but you have to remember /many/ a president has broken the
Constitution by ordering our own government to spy on our citizens,

Take, for example, the well-known fact of what J. Edgar Hoover did over a
series of presidencies, or that Lyndon Johnson ordered the spying of
anti-war demonstrators.

Also take, for example, those Cessnas flying daily over our cities,
scooping up the IMEIs and locations of tens of thousands of innocent people
in each flight.

Bear in mind that the actual communication (the very words spoken and the
texts sent) of law-abiding US citizens are also scooped up very often by
the intelligence community, e.g., on any overseas telephone call to your
own grandchildren as they travel abroad.

Back to the main point, there is no communication device that is secure.
None. Anyone who thinks they have security should just read the Zimmermann
telegram, or read about the Purple or JN24 or the black code or ultra
enigma communications or even the Cairo diplomatic cables of WWII infamy,
where entire extremely well motivated and well funded government
bureaucracies /thought/ that their communications were secure, which made
them /feel/ safe, just as the owners of brand X mobile devices are made to
/feel/ safe, that feeling for which they pay through the nose, and which is

All this doesn't mean we should give up on security; it just means that no
mobile device is secure when all of them have the same weak links.