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Subject: Re: The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence
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From: ultred ragnusen <>
Subject: Re: The Feds Can Now (Probably) Unlock Every iPhone Model In Existence
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:15:18 -0800
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Ken Hart<> wrote:

> I have a pistol laying on the shelf right now. I could take it into my 
> garage and remove the serial number. So long as I don't get caught with 
> that un-numbered firearm, nothing will happen to me.
> (For the record, my pistol has it's serial number intact, and I have a 
> concealed carry permit for it.)

We already had this discussion ages ago on the Android and iOS newsgroups,
where I posited that the mere fact that a law exists against a number (such
as that of your pistol or a VIN law or that UK law) is /already/ an
admission that something has gone very wrong with the system.

Hear me out, since this is a philosophical argument that the mere fact that
the UK has created a law that isn't even intended to be enforced so much as
it's really intended to "send a message" means, in and of itself, that
something is wrong with the system.

The same parallel holds for your gun serial number. It's actually illegal,
I think, in the USA, to erase the serial number, is it not? Why might you
ask is there a law, essentially, against a number?

It's because the system uses that cheap trick, just as they got Al Capone
on tax evasion or racketeering (whatever they got him on - it wasn't for
murder), because they can't catch people doing the real criminal acts. 

The system is broken - so - as a cheap political trick - they make a law
against a number.

The same law-against-a-number does NOT happen in the USA with cars, or with
license plates, but, many people (like nospam) /think/ it happens with cars
and license plates.

For example, I have a large private property and a car. 
It's perfectly legal for me to change my VIN or change my license plate,
and drive around my private property. 

What's illegal is to change them and then drive on a public road, but
that's a different law than simply changing the VIN.

So, my parallel is that changing an IMEI and /then/ selling a stolen phone
whose IMEI you changed, has a series of illegal acts, where the act of
selling the stolen phone is the illegality, not the act of changing the
IMEI (in the USA).

If you change your IMEI on your spare phone in your drawer, which I've
done, that's not illegal except in the UK, where I posit that the system
has broken down such that they felt the /need/ for such a silly law in the
UK, where even they don't enforce it in the UK.