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How many hands usually to hit four to a royal? I did twice last night at Cabo in about 4 hours. 

	
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> How many hands usually to hit four to a royal? I did twice last night at Cabo in about 4 hours.



A 4-card royal dealt, which is not already a complete hand, but one that would include pairs?  I
just scratched it on a piece of paper and figure roughly 4800?  Is that ballpark? 

	
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On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 10:33:47 AM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 9:44:20 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
> 
> 
> > How many hands usually to hit four to a royal? I did twice last night at Cabo in about 4 hours.
> 
> 
> 
> A 4-card royal dealt, which is not already a complete hand, but one that would include pairs?  I
just scratched it on a piece of paper and figure roughly 4800?  Is that ballpark?

They were all drawn from three to a royal, I think. I might have gotten 4-to-the royal three times.
Those machines seem to get plenty of two pairs and three-of-a-kind, usually drawn to, rather than
dealt. I am rarely able to draw to a 4-to-the royal elsewhere. They also hit drawn-to straights and
flushes about half the time. Anyway, I lost about $200 in four hours or so including about $24 I won
earlier from a little UX. That's added to about $107 I lost on the Cabo machines two weeks ago.
There are probably some errors but not really bad ones. If I'm not sure on more complicated hands I
look at my strategy that I keep handy on Dropbox. I did flub one hand from playing too fast. I drew
to two pair when I already had a full house. I realized it when it was too late. It's easy for me to
get inattentive with repetitive play.

The royal jackpot was just over $1,000. I was playing for player points and went up a tier last
night. The Harley Davidson session got me near the next tier. I have not used my player card for
periods in the past but decided that being in a higher tier could be helpful for cover in the high
limit rooms. But I'm going to have to hit more full houses and some straight flushes at regular play
to make it profitable. 

	
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On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 2:26:33 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 10:33:47 AM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 9:44:20 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > How many hands usually to hit four to a royal? I did twice last night at Cabo in about 4 hours.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > A 4-card royal dealt, which is not already a complete hand, but one that would include pairs?  I
just scratched it on a piece of paper and figure roughly 4800?  Is that ballpark?
> 
> They were all drawn from three to a royal, I think. I might have gotten 4-to-the royal three
times. Those machines seem to get plenty of two pairs and three-of-a-kind, usually drawn to, rather
than dealt. I am rarely able to draw to a 4-to-the royal elsewhere. They also hit drawn-to straights
and flushes about half the time. Anyway, I lost about $200 in four hours or so including about $24 I
won earlier from a little UX. That's added to about $107 I lost on the Cabo machines two weeks ago.
There are probably some errors but not really bad ones. If I'm not sure on more complicated hands I
look at my strategy that I keep handy on Dropbox. I did flub one hand from playing too fast. I drew
to two pair when I already had a full house. I realized it when it was too late. It's easy for me to
get inattentive with repetitive play.
> 
> The royal jackpot was just over $1,000. I was playing for player points and went up a tier last
night. The Harley Davidson session got me near the next tier. I have not used my player card for
periods in the past but decided that being in a higher tier could be helpful for cover in the high
limit rooms. But I'm going to have to hit more full houses and some straight flushes at regular play
to make it profitable.



Perhaps I did not understand the question.  Apparently I did not.

Risky, please, this idea that Vegas machines are not on the up & up is going to hold you back.  Get
it out of your head.  It's poison thinking.

And remember this.  If you play 2 million hands of positive video poker in a year, statistically, it
is insignificant. 

	
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On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 2:26:33 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 10:33:47 AM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
> > > On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 9:44:20 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > How many hands usually to hit four to a royal? I did twice last night at Cabo in about 4
hours.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > A 4-card royal dealt, which is not already a complete hand, but one that would include pairs? 
I just scratched it on a piece of paper and figure roughly 4800?  Is that ballpark?
> > 
> > They were all drawn from three to a royal, I think. I might have gotten 4-to-the royal three
times. Those machines seem to get plenty of two pairs and three-of-a-kind, usually drawn to, rather
than dealt. I am rarely able to draw to a 4-to-the royal elsewhere. They also hit drawn-to straights
and flushes about half the time. Anyway, I lost about $200 in four hours or so including about $24 I
won earlier from a little UX. That's added to about $107 I lost on the Cabo machines two weeks ago.
There are probably some errors but not really bad ones. If I'm not sure on more complicated hands I
look at my strategy that I keep handy on Dropbox. I did flub one hand from playing too fast. I drew
to two pair when I already had a full house. I realized it when it was too late. It's easy for me to
get inattentive with repetitive play.
> > 
> > The royal jackpot was just over $1,000. I was playing for player points and went up a tier last
night. The Harley Davidson session got me near the next tier. I have not used my player card for
periods in the past but decided that being in a higher tier could be helpful for cover in the high
limit rooms. But I'm going to have to hit more full houses and some straight flushes at regular play
to make it profitable.
> 
> 
> 
> Perhaps I did not understand the question.  Apparently I did not.
> 
> Risky, please, this idea that Vegas machines are not on the up & up is going to hold you back. 
Get it out of your head.  It's poison thinking.
> 
> And remember this.  If you play 2 million hands of positive video poker in a year, statistically,
it is insignificant.

It looks to me like you understood the question.

I don't think the machine chips are crooked but I do suspect there MAY be an inadvertent
'personality' of some kind in the implementation of the pRNG on some chips. I'd love to hook up some
of the chips to a neural network and see what it produces. I know a guy who bought an IGT VP machine
and plays it at home. 

	
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On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:56:21 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:



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> It looks to me like you understood the question.
> 


Well, I didn't.  I thought you meant 4-card royals on the draw, not after the draw.  So I figured
how many ways are there to have four to a royal, without the fifth card completing a straight or a
flush.  (of course, you'd usually break that anyway)  Then I multiplied by four suits, and divided
into roughly 2-1/2 million hands.

I had a good night tonight, I'll tell you about it, but I'd rather wait till Travel has a thread
that he wants to stay up.

It took me about three hours to drive the last 15 miles home, I kept pulling over, completely
comatose.  Tea, coffee, coke, it didn't matter, I was a basket case.  I'm going to try not to kill
myself driving.  I'd like to live to 101 like Rockefeller did. 

	
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On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 1:43:54 AM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:56:21 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > It looks to me like you understood the question.
> > 
> 
> 
> Well, I didn't.  I thought you meant 4-card royals on the draw, not after the draw.  So I figured
how many ways are there to have four to a royal, without the fifth card completing a straight or a
flush.  (of course, you'd usually break that anyway)  Then I multiplied by four suits, and divided
into roughly 2-1/2 million hands.
> 
> I had a good night tonight, I'll tell you about it, but I'd rather wait till Travel has a thread
that he wants to stay up.
> 
> It took me about three hours to drive the last 15 miles home, I kept pulling over, completely
comatose.  Tea, coffee, coke, it didn't matter, I was a basket case.  I'm going to try not to kill
myself driving.  I'd like to live to 101 like Rockefeller did.

Stop driving like that. Sleep in the casino parking lot and then drive home.. It sounds like you
don't have a regular sleep pattern. That confuses your body. 

	
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Uber, man.  Uber.  Come back and get the car when you're up to it.  Or see if a room is available.  

In the 20s and snowing this morning.  Moderately heavy lake effect.  The city hadn't gotten the salt
trucks out yet, so it was sloppy and icy quick.  I had to turn on the 4 wheel drive.  I  was rear
ended at a stop light once and almost in 2 other accidents.  It was like the idiots hadn't seen a
snow flake before.  Winter is coming.

C 

	
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> I don't think the machine chips are crooked but I do suspect there MAY be an inadvertent
'personality' of some kind in the implementation of the pRNG on some chips. I'd love to hook up some
of the chips to a neural network and see what it produces. I know a guy who bought an IGT VP machine
and plays it at home.



You're going to drive yourself nuts.  Don't do it to yourself.  Do you want to end up like Jerry,
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> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:56:21 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
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> > I don't think the machine chips are crooked but I do suspect there MAY be an inadvertent
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of the chips to a neural network and see what it produces. I know a guy who bought an IGT VP machine
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> 
> 
> You're going to drive yourself nuts.  Don't do it to yourself.  Do you want to end up like Jerry,
riding his retard mobile around Summerlin?

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On 11/9/2017 6:56 PM, risky biz wrote:
> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 2:26:33 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 10:33:47 AM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 9:44:20 AM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How many hands usually to hit four to a royal? I did twice last night at Cabo in about 4 hours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A 4-card royal dealt, which is not already a complete hand, but one that would include pairs? 
I just scratched it on a piece of paper and figure roughly 4800?  Is that ballpark?
>>>
>>> They were all drawn from three to a royal, I think. I might have gotten 4-to-the royal three
times. Those machines seem to get plenty of two pairs and three-of-a-kind, usually drawn to, rather
than dealt. I am rarely able to draw to a 4-to-the royal elsewhere. They also hit drawn-to straights
and flushes about half the time. Anyway, I lost about $200 in four hours or so including about $24 I
won earlier from a little UX. That's added to about $107 I lost on the Cabo machines two weeks ago.
There are probably some errors but not really bad ones. If I'm not sure on more complicated hands I
look at my strategy that I keep handy on Dropbox. I did flub one hand from playing too fast. I drew
to two pair when I already had a full house. I realized it when it was too late. It's easy for me to
get inattentive with repetitive play.
>>>
>>> The royal jackpot was just over $1,000. I was playing for player points and went up a tier last
night. The Harley Davidson session got me near the next tier. I have not used my player card for
periods in the past but decided that being in a higher tier could be helpful for cover in the high
limit rooms. But I'm going to have to hit more full houses and some straight flushes at regular play
to make it profitable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps I did not understand the question.  Apparently I did not.
>>
>> Risky, please, this idea that Vegas machines are not on the up & up is going to hold you back. 
Get it out of your head.  It's poison thinking.
>>
>> And remember this.  If you play 2 million hands of positive video poker in a year, statistically,
it is insignificant.
> 
> It looks to me like you understood the question.
> 
> I don't think the machine chips are crooked but I do suspect there MAY be an inadvertent
'personality' of some kind in the implementation of the pRNG on some chips. I'd love to hook up some
of the chips to a neural network and see what it produces. I know a guy who bought an IGT VP machine
and plays it at home.
> 
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