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"ABC News announced Saturday that Chief Investigative Correspondent Brian Ross would be suspended
for four weeks without pay over a botched "exclusive" about former national security adviser Michael
Flynn.

During a live "special report" Friday morning, Ross reported that Flynn would testify that Donald
Trump had ordered him to make contact with Russians about foreign policy while he was still a
candidate. The report raised the specter of Trump's impeachment and sent the stock market plummeting.

Later in the day, ABC issued a "clarification" to Ross's report, saying that Trump's alleged
directive came after he'd been elected president. Ross himself appeared on "World News Tonight,"
several hours after the initial report, to clarify his error.

In a statement, ABC News said Ross' report "had not been fully vetted through our editorial
standards process."

"It is vital we get the story right and retain the trust we have built with our audience," ABC's
statement added. "These are our core principles. We fell far short of that yesterday."

ROFLMAO!  As if the left wing, anti-Trump fake news has "editorial standards" .

BTW, thank you President Trump for the biggest tax cut in 30 years!

Irish Mike 

	
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On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:

<...>

> BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the conservative
"deficit hawks" have been for all these years.

FYP

HTH, HAND, DIAF 

	
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On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> <...>
> 
> > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the conservative
"deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> 
> FYP
> 
> HTH, HAND, DIAF

It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially. 

	
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On 12/2/2017 5:04 PM, Travel wrote:
> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
>> On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the conservative
"deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
>>
>> FYP
>>
>> HTH, HAND, DIAF
> 
> It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.

OMFG -- YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT!!!

Oh, god -- you should write for Kimmel. 

	
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On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 8:18:46 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> On 12/2/2017 5:04 PM, Travel wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> >> On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> <...>
> >>
> >>> BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the conservative
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> >>
> >> FYP
> >>
> >> HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > 
> > It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> 
> OMFG -- YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT!!!
> 

Yes, the truth is at the top of my list for things to believe. 

	
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On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > <...>
> > 
> > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the conservative
"deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > 
> > FYP
> > 
> > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> 
> It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.

Then you should have no trouble showing us.
(Which you can't because they don't)
So add that to the list of other lists you can't produce.

Jerry (this dork is easy, too) 'n Vegas 

	
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On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:12:12 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > <...>
> > > 
> > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the conservative
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> > > 
> > > FYP
> > > 
> > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > 
> > It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> 
> Then you should have no trouble showing us.
> (Which you can't because they don't)
> So add that to the list of other lists you can't produce.
> 
> Jerry (this dork is easy, too) 'n Vegas

Reagan Cuts. JFK cuts. All proven, long, long ago. 

	
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On 12/4/2017 6:34 AM, Travel wrote:
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:12:12 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
>>>> On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the conservative
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>>>>
>>>> FYP
>>>>
>>>> HTH, HAND, DIAF
>>>
>>> It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
>>
>> Then you should have no trouble showing us.
>> (Which you can't because they don't)
>> So add that to the list of other lists you can't produce.
>>
>> Jerry (this dork is easy, too) 'n Vegas
> 
> Reagan Cuts...

You mean before he had to raise taxes 11 times? 

	
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On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 6:34:17 AM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 8:12:12 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > <...>
> > > > 
> > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > 
> > > > FYP
> > > > 
> > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > 
> > > It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > 
> > Then you should have no trouble showing us.
> > (Which you can't because they don't)
> > So add that to the list of other lists you can't produce.
> > 
> > Jerry (this dork is easy, too) 'n Vegas
> 
> Reagan Cuts. JFK cuts. All proven, long, long ago.

Knew you couldn't show... Again.
Knew you'd be this easy... Again. 

	
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On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > <...>
> > 
> > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the conservative
"deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > 
> > FYP
> > 
> > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> 
~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.

Bush tax cuts: 2001
Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%

'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are going
to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become debt.

Does 'travel' think he's in the private club which has income in the top 1% of Americans? What a
dupe. He has a job. His job is to parrot everything he sees in the fake news which is published by
the private club of which he could never be a member. The really funny part is that his salary is
zero. 

	
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On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > <...>
> > > 
> > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the conservative
"deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > 
> > > FYP
> > > 
> > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > 
> ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> 
> Bush tax cuts: 2001
> Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> 
> 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are going
to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become debt.
> 



All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 

Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue, through
increased GDP.

Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan. 

	
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> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
>>>> On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the conservative
"deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
>>>>
>>>> FYP
>>>>
>>>> HTH, HAND, DIAF
>>>
>> ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
>>
>> Bush tax cuts: 2001
>> Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
>>
>> 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are
going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> All gobblygoop, heard so many times.
> 
> Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue, through
increased GDP.
> 
> Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.

My fucking GOD, what an imbecile. 

	
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On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 8:22:57 AM UTC-8, Clave wrote:

> > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> 
> My fucking GOD, what an imbecile.

I don't know about imbecile, but certainly a complete economic illiterate driven by blind partisan
devotion and a penchant for fantasy.

From the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (on "dynamic scoring"):

As a result of a larger economy under the bill, JCT projects tax reform will generate $458 billion
of feedback revenue. They also project the added growth will cause interest rates to rise, leading
to $51 billion more in spending. The net effect is the dynamic effects of tax reform will reduce the
bill's costs by $407 billion. In other words, the tax cuts will pay for three-tenths of their $1.4
trillion conventional cost.

This represents a far cry from claims that tax reform will be fully paid for with economic growth;
in fact, no estimate so far has reached such a conclusion. All estimates we're aware of regarding
the current Senate bill show it will cost $1 trillion or more even after incorporating economic
growth effects. 

	
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> 
>>> Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
>>
>> My fucking GOD, what an imbecile.
> 
> I don't know about imbecile, 

Looks, walks, quacks.



 > but certainly a complete economic illiterate driven by blind partisan 
devotion and a penchant for fantasy.
> 
>  From the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (on "dynamic scoring"):
> 
> As a result of a larger economy under the bill, JCT projects tax reform will generate $458 billion
of feedback revenue. They also project the added growth will cause interest rates to rise, leading
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> 
> This represents a far cry from claims that tax reform will be fully paid for with economic growth;
in fact, no estimate so far has reached such a conclusion. All estimates we're aware of regarding
the current Senate bill show it will cost $1 trillion or more even after incorporating economic
growth effects.
> 

	
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> On 12/4/2017 10:59 AM, BillB's widow wrote:
> > On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 8:22:57 AM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> > 
> >>> Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> >>
> >> My fucking GOD, what an imbecile.
> > 
> > I don't know about imbecile, 
> 
> Looks, walks, quacks.
> 
> 
> 
>  > but certainly a complete economic illiterate driven by blind partisan 
> devotion and a penchant for fantasy.
> > 
> >  From the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (on "dynamic scoring"):
> > 
> > As a result of a larger economy under the bill, JCT projects tax reform will generate $458
billion of feedback revenue. They also project the added growth will cause interest rates to rise,
leading to $51 billion more in spending. The net effect is the dynamic effects of tax reform will
reduce the bill's costs by $407 billion. In other words, the tax cuts will pay for three-tenths of
their $1.4 trillion conventional cost.
> > 
> > This represents a far cry from claims that tax reform will be fully paid for with economic
growth; in fact, no estimate so far has reached such a conclusion. All estimates we're aware of
regarding the current Senate bill show it will cost $1 trillion or more even after incorporating
economic growth effects.
> >

No, an imbecile thinks that a tax cut has to be "paid for." 

	
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> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 8:22:57 AM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> 
> > > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> > 
> > My fucking GOD, what an imbecile.
> 
> I don't know about imbecile, but certainly a complete economic illiterate driven by blind partisan
devotion and a penchant for fantasy.
> 
> From the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (on "dynamic scoring"):
> 
> As a result of a larger economy under the bill, JCT projects tax reform will generate $458 billion
of feedback revenue. They also project the added growth will cause interest rates to rise, leading
to $51 billion more in spending. The net effect is the dynamic effects of tax reform will reduce the
bill's costs by $407 billion. In other words, the tax cuts will pay for three-tenths of their $1.4
trillion conventional cost.
> 
> This represents a far cry from claims that tax reform will be fully paid for with economic growth;
in fact, no estimate so far has reached such a conclusion. All estimates we're aware of regarding
the current Senate bill show it will cost $1 trillion or more even after incorporating economic
growth effects.

The laughable part of all this is how hard Irish Mike and 'travel' are fighting for a massive,
debt-financed tax windfall to a group of people who regard them as nothing more than dumb tools. 

	
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> > > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> > 
> > My fucking GOD, what an imbecile.
> 
> I don't know about imbecile, but certainly a complete economic illiterate driven by blind partisan
devotion and a penchant for fantasy.
> 
> From the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (on "dynamic scoring"):
> 
> As a result of a larger economy under the bill, JCT projects tax reform will generate $458 billion
of feedback revenue. They also project the added growth will cause interest rates to rise, leading
to $51 billion more in spending. The net effect is the dynamic effects of tax reform will reduce the
bill's costs by $407 billion. In other words, the tax cuts will pay for three-tenths of their $1.4
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> 
> This represents a far cry from claims that tax reform will be fully paid for with economic growth;
in fact, no estimate so far has reached such a conclusion. All estimates we're aware of regarding
the current Senate bill show it will cost $1 trillion or more even after incorporating economic
growth effects.

We've seen the Democrat gobblygoop. It's totally bogus. Revenues go through the roof with tax cuts. 

	
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On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:59:28 PM UTC-5, BillB's widow wrote:
> > On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 8:22:57 AM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> > 
> > > > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> > > 
> > > My fucking GOD, what an imbecile.
> > 
> > I don't know about imbecile, but certainly a complete economic illiterate driven by blind
partisan devotion and a penchant for fantasy.
> > 
> > From the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (on "dynamic scoring"):
> > 
> > As a result of a larger economy under the bill, JCT projects tax reform will generate $458
billion of feedback revenue. They also project the added growth will cause interest rates to rise,
leading to $51 billion more in spending. The net effect is the dynamic effects of tax reform will
reduce the bill's costs by $407 billion. In other words, the tax cuts will pay for three-tenths of
their $1.4 trillion conventional cost.
> > 
> > This represents a far cry from claims that tax reform will be fully paid for with economic
growth; in fact, no estimate so far has reached such a conclusion. All estimates we're aware of
regarding the current Senate bill show it will cost $1 trillion or more even after incorporating
economic growth effects.
> 
> We've seen the Democrat gobblygoop. It's totally bogus. Revenues go through the roof with tax cuts.

Senility. 

	
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> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
>> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:59:28 PM UTC-5, BillB's widow wrote:
>>> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 8:22:57 AM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
>>>>
>>>> My fucking GOD, what an imbecile.
>>>
>>> I don't know about imbecile, but certainly a complete economic illiterate driven by blind
partisan devotion and a penchant for fantasy.
>>>
>>>  From the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (on "dynamic scoring"):
>>>
>>> As a result of a larger economy under the bill, JCT projects tax reform will generate $458
billion of feedback revenue. They also project the added growth will cause interest rates to rise,
leading to $51 billion more in spending. The net effect is the dynamic effects of tax reform will
reduce the bill's costs by $407 billion. In other words, the tax cuts will pay for three-tenths of
their $1.4 trillion conventional cost.
>>>
>>> This represents a far cry from claims that tax reform will be fully paid for with economic
growth; in fact, no estimate so far has reached such a conclusion. All estimates we're aware of
regarding the current Senate bill show it will cost $1 trillion or more even after incorporating
economic growth effects.
>>
>> We've seen the Democrat gobblygoop. It's totally bogus. Revenues go through the roof with tax
cuts.
> 
> Senility.

Implies some decline has taken place -- except that he's always been 
like this. 

	
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On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 6:15:27 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> On 12/8/2017 5:58 PM, risky biz wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> >> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 1:59:28 PM UTC-5, BillB's widow wrote:
> >>> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 8:22:57 AM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> >>>>
> >>>> My fucking GOD, what an imbecile.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know about imbecile, but certainly a complete economic illiterate driven by blind
partisan devotion and a penchant for fantasy.
> >>>
> >>>  From the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (on "dynamic scoring"):
> >>>
> >>> As a result of a larger economy under the bill, JCT projects tax reform will generate $458
billion of feedback revenue. They also project the added growth will cause interest rates to rise,
leading to $51 billion more in spending. The net effect is the dynamic effects of tax reform will
reduce the bill's costs by $407 billion. In other words, the tax cuts will pay for three-tenths of
their $1.4 trillion conventional cost.
> >>>
> >>> This represents a far cry from claims that tax reform will be fully paid for with economic
growth; in fact, no estimate so far has reached such a conclusion. All estimates we're aware of
regarding the current Senate bill show it will cost $1 trillion or more even after incorporating
economic growth effects.
> >>
> >> We've seen the Democrat gobblygoop. It's totally bogus. Revenues go through the roof with tax
cuts.
> > 
> > Senility.
> 
> Implies some decline has taken place -- except that he's always been 
> like this.

I think it has gotten worse. Finally someone he wanted to win actually won, with help from the
Russian communists, and he wants to get his whacks in now because there isn't much time left. But
his whacking seems increasingly crazy. He can't even spell gobbledygook correctly which is a dopey
and ham-handed word even when spelled correctly. 

	
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> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > <...>
> > > > 
> > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > 
> > > > FYP
> > > > 
> > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > 
> > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > 
> > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > 
> > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are
going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> 
> Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue, through
increased GDP.
> 
> Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.

You're like a 4-year-old 'reading' from a storybook for 3-year-olds. 

	
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> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 6:42:32 AM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > <...>
> > > > > 
> > > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > > 
> > > > > FYP
> > > > > 
> > > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > > 
> > > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > > 
> > > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > > 
> > > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are
going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> > 
> > Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue, through
increased GDP.
> > 
> > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> 
> You're like a 4-year-old 'reading' from a storybook for 3-year-olds.


You're an idiot. 

	
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> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 3:32:30 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 6:42:32 AM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > <...>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > FYP
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > > > 
> > > > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > > > 
> > > > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > > > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > > > 
> > > > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are
going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> > > 
> > > Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue, through
increased GDP.
> > > 
> > > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> > 
> > You're like a 4-year-old 'reading' from a storybook for 3-year-olds.
> 
> 
> You're an idiot.

Yeah. Everyone but you is an idiot. 

	
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On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > <...>
> > > > 
> > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > 
> > > > FYP
> > > > 
> > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > 
> > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > 
> > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > 
> > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are
going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> 
> Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue, through
increased GDP.
> 
> Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.

Two points:

How will that growth occur?

Given that the tax cut is estimated to cost about $150 billion per year, and the total GDP is on the
order of $20 trillion, "a tenth of one percent" is about $20 billion added to the economy. Even if
all of that went to the government, it doesn't add up. 

	
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On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > <...>
> > > > > 
> > > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > > 
> > > > > FYP
> > > > > 
> > > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > > 
> > > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > > 
> > > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > > 
> > > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are
going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> > 
> > Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue, through
increased GDP.
> > 
> > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> 
> Two points:
> 
> How will that growth occur?
> 
> Given that the tax cut is estimated to cost about $150 billion per year, and the total GDP is on
the order of $20 trillion, "a tenth of one percent" is about $20 billion added to the economy. Even
if all of that went to the government, it doesn't add up.


That may be because your premise doesn't add up. 

You've plugged-in values to suit a certain result (most especially for the term "estimated"). With
just a little  bit of research, no doubt, one can find an array of differences in the results
depending on "which formula is used on this tax cut.  

Try "The Tax Foundation" for example, that states that a single parent household of moderate income
will see a 36% tax reduction; this doesn't seem to be the methodology-trend that you'd be seeking
and posting about. 

Let's say, we'll give the mainstream media the benefit of the doubt, and pretend that they don't
have a gobbygooped-up political agenda. Instead of arguing the opposing "studies" presented with
regard to "what the tax cut will do to the economy," we look at it this way:

increased GDP= increased revenue. What exactly needs to be "paid for" that could possibly reverse
the result of this simple formula for this tax cut?

The JFK tax cut, that didn't even approach the Reagan tax cut's impact on increased revenue, saw a
GDP of over 6% for two straight years that resulted in increased revenue.   

Maybe you can tell us what exactly needs to be "paid for" now, with this tax cut, that didn't with
the JFK tax cut. 

With the Reagan tax cut, the most recent, proven: Treasury revenue went through the roof.

Four major tax cuts in 100 years: all increased revenues. Your personal formula set-aside, what
needs to be "paid for" this time that would cause the Trump tax cut to cause the reverse effect? 

	
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> With the Reagan tax cut, the most recent, proven: Treasury revenue went through the roof.

Is that why he was forced to raise taxes 11 times after that? 

	
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On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 11:32:51 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> > On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > <...>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > FYP
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > > > 
> > > > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > > > 
> > > > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > > > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > > > 
> > > > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are
going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> > > 
> > > Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue, through
increased GDP.
> > > 
> > > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> > 
> > Two points:
> > 
> > How will that growth occur?
> > 
> > Given that the tax cut is estimated to cost about $150 billion per year, and the total GDP is on
the order of $20 trillion, "a tenth of one percent" is about $20 billion added to the economy. Even
if all of that went to the government, it doesn't add up.
> 
> 
> That may be because your premise doesn't add up. 
> 
> You've plugged-in values to suit a certain result (most especially for the term "estimated"). With
just a little  bit of research, no doubt, one can find an array of differences in the results
depending on "which formula is used on this tax cut.  
> 
> Try "The Tax Foundation" for example, that states that a single parent household of moderate
income will see a 36% tax reduction; this doesn't seem to be the methodology-trend that you'd be
seeking and posting about. 
> 
> Let's say, we'll give the mainstream media the benefit of the doubt, and pretend that they don't
have a gobbygooped-up political agenda. Instead of arguing the opposing "studies" presented with
regard to "what the tax cut will do to the economy," we look at it this way:
> 
> increased GDP= increased revenue. What exactly needs to be "paid for" that could possibly reverse
the result of this simple formula for this tax cut?
> 
> The JFK tax cut, that didn't even approach the Reagan tax cut's impact on increased revenue, saw a
GDP of over 6% for two straight years that resulted in increased revenue.   
> 
> Maybe you can tell us what exactly needs to be "paid for" now, with this tax cut, that didn't with
the JFK tax cut. 
> 
> With the Reagan tax cut, the most recent, proven: Treasury revenue went through the roof.
> 
> Four major tax cuts in 100 years: all increased revenues. Your personal formula set-aside, what
needs to be "paid for" this time that would cause the Trump tax cut to cause the reverse effect?

$1.5 trillion over 10 years is the estimate given in Bloomberg. The lowest I have seen by anyone is
over $1 trillion.

The problem is the same. Whether or not revenue 'went through the roof' from the Reagan-era tax
cuts, so did deficits. 

	
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On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 9:15:27 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 11:32:51 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > <...>
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > FYP
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > > > > 
> > > > > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > > > > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > > > > 
> > > > > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1%
are going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> > > > 
> > > > Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue,
through increased GDP.
> > > > 
> > > > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> > > 
> > > Two points:
> > > 
> > > How will that growth occur?
> > > 
> > > Given that the tax cut is estimated to cost about $150 billion per year, and the total GDP is
on the order of $20 trillion, "a tenth of one percent" is about $20 billion added to the economy.
Even if all of that went to the government, it doesn't add up.
> > 
> > 
> > That may be because your premise doesn't add up. 
> > 
> > You've plugged-in values to suit a certain result (most especially for the term "estimated").
With just a little  bit of research, no doubt, one can find an array of differences in the results
depending on "which formula is used on this tax cut.  
> > 
> > Try "The Tax Foundation" for example, that states that a single parent household of moderate
income will see a 36% tax reduction; this doesn't seem to be the methodology-trend that you'd be
seeking and posting about. 
> > 
> > Let's say, we'll give the mainstream media the benefit of the doubt, and pretend that they don't
have a gobbygooped-up political agenda. Instead of arguing the opposing "studies" presented with
regard to "what the tax cut will do to the economy," we look at it this way:
> > 
> > increased GDP= increased revenue. What exactly needs to be "paid for" that could possibly
reverse the result of this simple formula for this tax cut?
> > 
> > The JFK tax cut, that didn't even approach the Reagan tax cut's impact on increased revenue, saw
a GDP of over 6% for two straight years that resulted in increased revenue.   
> > 
> > Maybe you can tell us what exactly needs to be "paid for" now, with this tax cut, that didn't
with the JFK tax cut. 
> > 
> > With the Reagan tax cut, the most recent, proven: Treasury revenue went through the roof.
> > 
> > Four major tax cuts in 100 years: all increased revenues. Your personal formula set-aside, what
needs to be "paid for" this time that would cause the Trump tax cut to cause the reverse effect?
> 
> $1.5 trillion over 10 years is the estimate given in Bloomberg. The lowest I have seen by anyone
is over $1 trillion.
> 
> The problem is the same. Whether or not revenue 'went through the roof' from the Reagan-era tax
cuts, so did deficits.


You dodged it completely. 

Obviously, the problem isn't the same if the values on revenue change to the plus side. Do you
really think that the mainstream media is fairly estimating not only the growth of GDP, but how much
increased revenue that GDP will generate?

Also, the "overseas" corporate profit that will return to the U.S. (at least 1 trillion) is -not-
being included in these media estimates of increased revenue.

Also, the budget deficit is a different issue entirely. That has to do with what's spent after the
revenue comes in.

Reagan re-built the military and that cost big (well spent) money, and whatever deficit can be
claimed to have existed, was small potatoes that was a -sustainable- debt; quite within acceptable
limits. Not even in the same universe as Bush/Obama spending. 

Someone tell me what's so different about this tax cut where it won't increase revenue like all the
other tax cuts have increased revenue. 

	
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On Sunday, December 10, 2017 at 11:52:12 AM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 9:15:27 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 11:32:51 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> > > > On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > <...>
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > FYP
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > > > > > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1%
are going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue,
through increased GDP.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> > > > 
> > > > Two points:
> > > > 
> > > > How will that growth occur?
> > > > 
> > > > Given that the tax cut is estimated to cost about $150 billion per year, and the total GDP
is on the order of $20 trillion, "a tenth of one percent" is about $20 billion added to the economy.
Even if all of that went to the government, it doesn't add up.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > That may be because your premise doesn't add up. 
> > > 
> > > You've plugged-in values to suit a certain result (most especially for the term "estimated").
With just a little  bit of research, no doubt, one can find an array of differences in the results
depending on "which formula is used on this tax cut.  
> > > 
> > > Try "The Tax Foundation" for example, that states that a single parent household of moderate
income will see a 36% tax reduction; this doesn't seem to be the methodology-trend that you'd be
seeking and posting about. 
> > > 
> > > Let's say, we'll give the mainstream media the benefit of the doubt, and pretend that they
don't have a gobbygooped-up political agenda. Instead of arguing the opposing "studies" presented
with regard to "what the tax cut will do to the economy," we look at it this way:
> > > 
> > > increased GDP= increased revenue. What exactly needs to be "paid for" that could possibly
reverse the result of this simple formula for this tax cut?
> > > 
> > > The JFK tax cut, that didn't even approach the Reagan tax cut's impact on increased revenue,
saw a GDP of over 6% for two straight years that resulted in increased revenue.   
> > > 
> > > Maybe you can tell us what exactly needs to be "paid for" now, with this tax cut, that didn't
with the JFK tax cut. 
> > > 
> > > With the Reagan tax cut, the most recent, proven: Treasury revenue went through the roof.
> > > 
> > > Four major tax cuts in 100 years: all increased revenues. Your personal formula set-aside,
what needs to be "paid for" this time that would cause the Trump tax cut to cause the reverse effect?
> > 
> > $1.5 trillion over 10 years is the estimate given in Bloomberg. The lowest I have seen by anyone
is over $1 trillion.
> > 
> > The problem is the same. Whether or not revenue 'went through the roof' from the Reagan-era tax
cuts, so did deficits.
> 
> 
> You dodged it completely. 
> 
> Obviously, the problem isn't the same if the values on revenue change to the plus side. Do you
really think that the mainstream media is fairly estimating not only the growth of GDP, but how much
increased revenue that GDP will generate?
> 
> Also, the "overseas" corporate profit that will return to the U.S. (at least 1 trillion) is -not-
being included in these media estimates of increased revenue.
> 
> Also, the budget deficit is a different issue entirely. That has to do with what's spent after the
revenue comes in.
> 
> Reagan re-built the military and that cost big (well spent) money, and whatever deficit can be
claimed to have existed, was small potatoes that was a -sustainable- debt; quite within acceptable
limits. Not even in the same universe as Bush/Obama spending. 
> 
> Someone tell me what's so different about this tax cut where it won't increase revenue like all
the other tax cuts have increased revenue.

Bed time stories from 'travel' whose career as a useful tool of American billionaires is soaring.
It's a shame they don't give him anything other than ethnic hatred as compensation. 

	
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On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 8:32:51 AM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> > On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > <...>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > FYP
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > > > 
> > > > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > > > 
> > > > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > > > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > > > 
> > > > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are
going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> > > 
> > > Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue, through
increased GDP.
> > > 
> > > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> > 
> > Two points:
> > 
> > How will that growth occur?
> > 
> > Given that the tax cut is estimated to cost about $150 billion per year, and the total GDP is on
the order of $20 trillion, "a tenth of one percent" is about $20 billion added to the economy. Even
if all of that went to the government, it doesn't add up.
> 
> 
> That may be because your premise doesn't add up. 
> 
> You've plugged-in values to suit a certain result (most especially for the term "estimated"). With
just a little  bit of research, no doubt, one can find an array of differences in the results
depending on "which formula is used on this tax cut.  
> 
> Try "The Tax Foundation" for example, that states that a single parent household of moderate
income will see a 36% tax reduction; this doesn't seem to be the methodology-trend that you'd be
seeking and posting about. 
> 
> Let's say, we'll give the mainstream media the benefit of the doubt, and pretend that they don't
have a gobbygooped-up political agenda. Instead of arguing the opposing "studies" presented with
regard to "what the tax cut will do to the economy," we look at it this way:
> 
> increased GDP= increased revenue. What exactly needs to be "paid for" that could possibly reverse
the result of this simple formula for this tax cut?
> 
> The JFK tax cut, that didn't even approach the Reagan tax cut's impact on increased revenue, saw a
GDP of over 6% for two straight years that resulted in increased revenue.   
> 
> Maybe you can tell us what exactly needs to be "paid for" now, with this tax cut, that didn't with
the JFK tax cut. 
> 
> With the Reagan tax cut, the most recent, proven: Treasury revenue went through the roof.
> 
> Four major tax cuts in 100 years: all increased revenues. Your personal formula set-aside, what
needs to be "paid for" this time that would cause the Trump tax cut to cause the reverse effect?

Absolute lies. Only hired-gun, flack 'economists' enunciate such cow shit. 

	
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On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > <...>
> > > > > 
> > > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > > 
> > > > > FYP
> > > > > 
> > > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > > 
> > > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > > 
> > > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > > 
> > > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are
going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> > 
> > Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue, through
increased GDP.
> > 
> > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> 
> Two points:
> 
> How will that growth occur?
> 
> Given that the tax cut is estimated to cost about $150 billion per year, and the total GDP is on
the order of $20 trillion, "a tenth of one percent" is about $20 billion added to the economy. Even
if all of that went to the government, it doesn't add up.

Well Boyo, President Trump has already been great for the economy 
and is working to repair the disaster Obama caused in his eight years in office:

Obama’s economy: 
*$20 trillion national debt.
*Lowest labor participation rate since the 1970s.
*Almost 95,000,000 Americans out of the labor force. 
*Added more debt than all the other 43 U.S. Presidents combined. 
*Worst economic recovery since the 1940s.
*Lowest homeownership rate in 51 years. 
*There are 13 million more Americans on food stamps.
*More than 43 million Americans living in poverty. 
*One in five families without someone in the workforce.  
*Average family has more debt than in 2008, when the economy collapsed. 
*Wasted a $trillion dollars on shovel ready jobs that never materialized. 
*Eight straight years of 2%, or less GDP growth.


I thank God every day that Obama is finally gone and that President Trump won and 
Hillary Clinton lost.

Irish Mike

Make America Great Again! 

	
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On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 9:34:32 AM UTC-8, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> > On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > <...>
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > FYP
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > > > 
> > > > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > > > 
> > > > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > > > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > > > 
> > > > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1% are
going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> > > 
> > > Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue, through
increased GDP.
> > > 
> > > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> > 
> > Two points:
> > 
> > How will that growth occur?
> > 
> > Given that the tax cut is estimated to cost about $150 billion per year, and the total GDP is on
the order of $20 trillion, "a tenth of one percent" is about $20 billion added to the economy. Even
if all of that went to the government, it doesn't add up.

> Well Boyo,

You are so fucking stupid. It gives me great pleasure bitch-slapping you AGAIN on these Cut & Pastes
of yours.

> President Trump has already been great for the economy..

*** YAWN *** then you should have no trouble showing us.

> and is working to repair the disaster Obama caused in his eight years in office:

Obama caused? See what I mean about your ignorance in believing FOX/GOP?

> Obama’s economy: 
> *$20 trillion national debt.

Wrong again, dip shit. That’s all Bush. Bush’s two wars, off budget, Bush’s tax cuts for the
rich, off budget and Medicare D, off budget. Every year we must borrow to pay for these items, as to
the budget, there are only two presidents in 50 years to reduce the Federal deficit. Clinton and
Obama. And what’s funny, YOU DIDN’T KNOW IT.

> *Lowest labor participation rate since the 1970s.
> *Almost 95,000,000 Americans out of the labor force. 

Because of obstructionists Republicans. THIS you already knew. You just lied.

> *Added more debt than all the other 43 U.S. Presidents combined.

No, again, that’s Bush two.

Here, ignorant asshole, Click on these:

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AtNJz3Llnlrb8hLDRZFQdIjUI-cU 
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AtNJz3Llnlrb8hElLF1veGRyDVEV 

> *Worst economic recovery since the 1940s.

Heh, you didn’t even get that right. LONGEST, because it went DEEPER (thanks to Bush 2)
See how FOX/GOP lies to you?

> *Lowest homeownership rate in 51 years. 

HELLO! Bush let Wall Street foreclose when he bailed them out.
Where the fuck you getting these old Cut & Pastes? You were bitch-slapped with these long time ago.

> *There are 13 million more Americans on food stamps.

See above. BUSH2

> *More than 43 million Americans living in poverty. 

From BUSH’S CRASH and GOP refusal to allow stimulus and jobs.
Can you be re-embarrassed AGAIN?

> I thank God every day that Obama is finally gone

Yea, right. Now your taxes will go up, your insurance premiums will go up, unless you a part of
those that will lose your  insurance.

Now that I’ve throurally embarrassed you AGAIN by showing your supidity and ignorance, it’s time
for you to disipear and lick your wounds…

Jerry (bitch-slapping this idiot has been a pleasure) ‘n Vegas

> Stupid Ignorant Irish Mick 

	
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From: Travel <travel9599@gmail.com>
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On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 9:34:32 AM UTC-8, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 5:58:18 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> > > On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Travel wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 2:13:14 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 5:04:44 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 7:48:53 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > > > > > On 12/2/2017 4:45 PM, irishdickbag@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > <...>
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > BTW, thank you President Trump for proving what outright liars and phonies the
conservative "deficit hawks" have been for all these years.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > FYP
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > HTH, HAND, DIAF
> > > > > > 
> > > > > ~ It's been proven repeatedly that tax cuts increase revenue substantially.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bush tax cuts: 2001
> > > > > Tax revenue 2001 to 2003: drop of about 22%
> > > > > 
> > > > > 'travel' didn't mention that the large tax cuts for Americans with incomes in the top 1%
are going to be paid for by adding $1 TRILLION dollars to the Federal deficit which will then become
debt.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > All gobblygoop, heard so many times. 
> > > > 
> > > > Stupid didn't mention that the tax cut will add   many trillions in increased revenue,
through increased GDP.
> > > > 
> > > > Even a tenth of one percent in increased GDP will more than "pay for" the tax plan.
> > > 
> > > Two points:
> > > 
> > > How will that growth occur?
> > > 
> > > Given that the tax cut is estimated to cost about $150 billion per year, and the total GDP is
on the order of $20 trillion, "a tenth of one percent" is about $20 billion added to the economy.
Even if all of that went to the government, it doesn't add up.
> 
> > Well Boyo,
> 
> You are so fucking stupid. It gives me great pleasure bitch-slapping you AGAIN on these Cut &
Pastes of yours.
> 
> > President Trump has already been great for the economy..
> 
> *** YAWN *** then you should have no trouble showing us.
> 
> > and is working to repair the disaster Obama caused in his eight years in office:
> 
> Obama caused? See what I mean about your ignorance in believing FOX/GOP?
> 
> > Obama’s economy: 
> > *$20 trillion national debt.
> 
> Wrong again, dip shit. That’s all Bush. Bush’s two wars, off budget, Bush’s tax cuts for the
rich, off budget and Medicare D, off budget. Every year we must borrow to pay for these items, as to
the budget, there are only two presidents in 50 years to reduce the Federal deficit. Clinton and
Obama. And what’s funny, YOU DIDN’T KNOW IT.
> 
> > *Lowest labor participation rate since the 1970s.
> > *Almost 95,000,000 Americans out of the labor force. 
> 
> Because of obstructionists Republicans. THIS you already knew. You just lied.
> 
> > *Added more debt than all the other 43 U.S. Presidents combined.
> 
> No, again, that’s Bush two.
> 
> Here, ignorant asshole, Click on these:
> 
> https://1drv.ms/i/s!AtNJz3Llnlrb8hLDRZFQdIjUI-cU 
> https://1drv.ms/i/s!AtNJz3Llnlrb8hElLF1veGRyDVEV 
> 
> > *Worst economic recovery since the 1940s.
> 
> Heh, you didn’t even get that right. LONGEST, because it went DEEPER (thanks to Bush 2)
> See how FOX/GOP lies to you?
> 
> > *Lowest homeownership rate in 51 years. 
> 
> HELLO! Bush let Wall Street foreclose when he bailed them out.
> Where the fuck you getting these old Cut & Pastes? You were bitch-slapped with these long time ago.
> 
> > *There are 13 million more Americans on food stamps.
> 
> See above. BUSH2
> 
> > *More than 43 million Americans living in poverty. 
> 
> From BUSH’S CRASH and GOP refusal to allow stimulus and jobs.
> Can you be re-embarrassed AGAIN?
> 
> > I thank God every day that Obama is finally gone
> 
> Yea, right. Now your taxes will go up, your insurance premiums will go up, unless you a part of
those that will lose your  insurance.
> 
> Now that I’ve throurally embarrassed you AGAIN by showing your supidity and ignorance, it’s
time for you to disipear and lick your wounds…
> 
> Jerry (bitch-slapping this idiot has been a pleasure) ‘n Vegas
> 
> > Stupid Ignorant Irish Mick

See, Jerr, you can't list without lying, 

	
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On Saturday, December 2, 2017 at 4:45:25 PM UTC-8, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
> "ABC News announced Saturday that Chief Investigative Correspondent Brian Ross would be suspended
for four weeks without pay over a botched "exclusive" about former national security adviser Michael
Flynn.
> 
> During a live "special report" Friday morning, Ross reported that Flynn would testify that Donald
Trump had ordered him to make contact with Russians about foreign policy while he was still a
candidate. The report raised the specter of Trump's impeachment and sent the stock market plummeting.
> 
> Later in the day, ABC issued a "clarification" to Ross's report, saying that Trump's alleged
directive came after he'd been elected president. Ross himself appeared on "World News Tonight,"
several hours after the initial report, to clarify his error.
> 
> In a statement, ABC News said Ross' report "had not been fully vetted through our editorial
standards process."
> 
> "It is vital we get the story right and retain the trust we have built with our audience," ABC's
statement added. "These are our core principles. We fell far short of that yesterday."
> 
> ROFLMAO!  As if the left wing, anti-Trump fake news has "editorial standards" .

They just proved they do, and you don't, you ignorant fuck.

WHERE ARE THE LISTS? (See?)

Jerry (this irish prick is so easy...) 'n Vegas