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Lord knows Obama didn't do shit, even though he could have.

Isn't it obvious why things seem to be on the upswing?  If nothing else, the world has more
confidence in Trump than they did in Obama, whether it is justified or not.  People felt doom and
gloom with Obama. 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:48:23 AM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
> Lord knows Obama didn't do shit, even though he could have.
> 
> Isn't it obvious why things seem to be on the upswing?  If nothing else, the world has more
confidence in Trump than they did in Obama, whether it is justified >or not.  People felt doom and
gloom with Obama.

Ya, there was something just....dark...about the guy. I can't put my finger on it. 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 4:26:40 AM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:48:23 AM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
> > Lord knows Obama didn't do shit, even though he could have.
> > 
> > Isn't it obvious why things seem to be on the upswing?  If nothing else, the world has more
confidence in Trump than they did in Obama, whether it is justified >or not.  People felt doom and
gloom with Obama.
> 
> Ya, there was something just....dark...about the guy. I can't put my finger on it.

Standard cry of the defeated liberal - "racism"!

Thank God for President Trump and a surging economy, all time record high stock market,
17 year low unemployment, 3%+ GDP growth, 1,700,000 new jobs, consumer confidence
at a 17 year high, a tax cut for the middle class, Business investment in the U.S. growing
by $tens of billions, ISIS smashed to bits, new U.S. energy development, etc.

BTW, have you ever asked yourself why the Democrats never come up with a
tax cut plan of their own?  I'll tell you why.  They want higher taxes and more
government so they can hand out bigger food stamps to buy more votes.

Irish Mike 

	
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On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 6:26:15 AM UTC-8, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 4:26:40 AM UTC-5, BillB wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:48:23 AM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
> > > Lord knows Obama didn't do shit, even though he could have.
> > > 
> > > Isn't it obvious why things seem to be on the upswing?

Because the upswing started with President Obama. Now it’s starting to slow.

> If nothing else, the world has more confidence in Trump than they did in Obama

No, actually they don’t, as was just shown at the last UN meeting.

> People felt doom and gloom with Obama.

No, they did not, and you can’t show where they did.
(Any more than you can show those lists)


> > Ya, there was something just....dark...about the guy. I can't put my finger on it.
> 
> Standard cry of the defeated liberal - "racism"!
> 
> Thank God for President Trump and a surging economy,

No, not thanks to him. The economy has been surging since President Obama.

> all time record high stock market,

And continuing record because of President Obama.

> 17 year low unemployment, 3%+ GDP growth, 1,700,000 new jobs, consumer confidence
> at a 17 year high, a tax cut for the middle class, Business investment in the U.S. growing
> by $tens of billions, ISIS smashed to bits, new U.S. energy development, etc.

ALL a continuations of Obama. Thank you President Obama.

> BTW, have you ever asked yourself why the Democrats never come up with a
> tax cut plan of their own?

Because cutting taxes require borrowing. Trump’s tax cut was for the wealthy, meaning you and I
have to pay that missing tax money. What’s the matter, dumb fuck, didn’t FOX tell you that part?

> I'll tell you why.  They want higher taxes and more
> government so they can hand out bigger food stamps to buy more votes.

Wrong again, dumb fuck, and I just showed you.
Now where are those lists you promised. You’re a much a fucking liar as Trump

> Stupid ignorant Irish Mick 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:48:23 AM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
> Lord knows Obama didn't do shit, even though he could have.

Like what?



> 
> Isn't it obvious why things seem to be on the upswing?  If nothing else, the world has more
confidence in Trump than they did in Obama, whether it is justified or not.  People felt doom and
gloom with Obama.

I'd say you're speaking only for yourself. (And that ain't much) 

	
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> 
> Like what?
> 



Like not continuing the bullshit that the Iran regime was "moderate", that's what.  He could have at
least given verbal and moral support to the 2009 protests. 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 7:24:19 AM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 7:07:21 AM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:
 
> > > Lord knows Obama didn't do shit, even though he could have. 

> > Like what?
 
> Like not continuing the bullshit that the Iran regime was
> "moderate", that's what. 

So not doing something is doing something in your weird world?
(It's obvious why you cut part of the post - you're embarrassed...) 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 10:24:19 AM UTC-5, popinjay wrote:
> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 7:07:21 AM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Like what?
> 
> Like not continuing the bullshit that the Iran regime was "moderate", that's what.  He could have
at least given verbal and moral support to the 2009 protests.

And Obama could have not made an idiotic deal to give Iran $150 Billion to fund terrorism, kill
American soldiers and chant "Death To America" in exchange for nothing.   Money that was frozen
because of Iran's terrorist activities.  Money they would never have gotten their bloody hands
on if it wasn't for Obama's arrogance and stupidity.

Irish Mike 

	
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On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 6:33:25 AM UTC-8, irishra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 10:24:19 AM UTC-5, popinjay wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 7:07:21 AM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Like what?
> > 
> > Like not continuing the bullshit that the Iran regime was "moderate", that's what.  He could
have at least given verbal and moral support to the 2009 protests.
> 
> And Obama could have not made an idiotic deal to give Iran $150 Billion to fund terrorism,

I've grabbed you by the nape of your scrounge neck, bent you over, and rubbed your snotty little
nose in the fact that it was their money, you stupid fuck.


> if it wasn't for Obama's arrogance and stupidity.

And I just showed it's your.

WHERE'S THE LISTS MOTHERFUCKER?


> Stupid ignorant Irish Mike 

	
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On 1/9/2018 6:33 AM, irishranger317@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 10:24:19 AM UTC-5, popinjay wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 7:07:21 AM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:
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>>> Like what?
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>> Like not continuing the bullshit that the Iran regime was "moderate", that's what.  He could have
at least given verbal and moral support to the 2009 protests.
> 
> And Obama could have not made an idiotic deal to give Iran $150 Billion...

Why do you wingnuts keep lying about that?

Flail, wingnuts, flail. 

	
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> I'd say you're speaking only for yourself. (And that ain't much)


I don't think the stock market would agree.

Where would the market be right now if Obama were president?  Or maybe even worse, Hillary? 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 9:25:56 AM UTC-6, popinjay wrote:
> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 7:07:21 AM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:
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> > I'd say you're speaking only for yourself. (And that ain't much)
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> I don't think the stock market would agree.
> 
> Where would the market be right now if Obama were president?  Or maybe even worse, Hillary?


The stock market would have loved Hillary, why else would they have given her all that money?  Not
for her speaking skills that's for sure. 

	
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On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 11:15:01 -0800 (PST), BTSinAustin<btsinaustin@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 9:25:56 AM UTC-6, popinjay wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 7:07:21 AM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:
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>> > 
>> > I'd say you're speaking only for yourself. (And that ain't much)
>> 
>> 
>> I don't think the stock market would agree.
>> 
>> Where would the market be right now if Obama were president?  Or maybe even worse, Hillary?
>
>
>The stock market would have loved Hillary, why else would they have given her all that money?  

"The stock market" gave her money? Does that make sense to you? Do you
know the difference between the market and the people who work in the
securities industry? 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:34:17 PM UTC-8, Bill Vanek wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 11:15:01 -0800 (PST), BTSinAustin
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> >On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 9:25:56 AM UTC-6, popinjay wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 7:07:21 AM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:
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> >> I don't think the stock market would agree.
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> >> Where would the market be right now if Obama were president?  Or maybe even worse, Hillary?
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> >The stock market would have loved Hillary, why else would they have given her all that money?  
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> "The stock market" gave her money? Does that make sense to you? Do you
> know the difference between the market and the people who work in the
> securities industry?

Is who he's referring to as 'they' really elude you so completely? That's disconcerting. 

	
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> I don't think the stock market would agree.
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> Where would the market be right now if Obama were president?  Or maybe even worse, Hillary?
> 

The trend line is virtually unchanged from the Obama era, so the answer 
is, it would most likely be the same. 

	
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M

--
"I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch

https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 1:36:34 PM UTC-8, fffurken wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
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> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk

There's no hijab in the image, pea brain. One thing I can say for 'dutch' is that he's intelligent
enough to try to employ some deception in his lies about Muslims. All you do is post idiocy that
screams 'LIES' on it's face which you must think someone is going to believe or you wouldn't take
time to post them. Either that or it's compulsive transference mechanism to avoid the reality of
your mental collapse. 

	
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On Sunday, 31 December 2017 22:15:38 UTC, risky biz  wrote:

> > https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
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> There's no hijab in the image, pea brain.

(Translation: I didn't watch the video)

That's a picture of Linda Sarsour from the anti-Tru.. eh, "Women's March".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SoPjZoISeM

Oh look, it's close to the witching hour (where I'm from). Almost time for you to go bye-bye 

	
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On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
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> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
> 

Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.

Don't post shitty videos like that. 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
> > 
> > --
> > "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> > 
> > https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
> > 
> 
> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
> 
> Don't post shitty videos like that.

Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly and
completely brainwashed. 

	
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On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
>>>
>>
>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
>>
>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> 
> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly and
completely brainwashed.
> 

Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance 
at freedom. That includes women by the way. 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 6:53:38 PM UTC-5, Dutch wrote:
> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> >>>
> >>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
> >>>
> >>
> >> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
> >>
> >> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> > 
> > Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly and
completely brainwashed.
> > 
> 
> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance 
> at freedom. That includes women by the way.

Sadly, that is not true, or we would never succeed in enslaving large numbers of people. Most people
turn out to be quite passive. 

	
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>On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 6:53:38 PM UTC-5, Dutch wrote:
>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
>> > On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>> >> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
>> >>>
>> >>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
>> >>
>> >> Don't post shitty videos like that.
>> > 
>> > Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly and
completely brainwashed.
>> > 
>> 
>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance 
>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
>
>Sadly, that is not true, or we would never succeed in enslaving large numbers of people. Most
people turn out to be quite passive.

Yep, and that's not the first time Dutch posted that nonsense. He'll
argue anyway, just like he argued with me. He is absolutely divorced
from reality. 

	
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> Yep, and that's not the first time Dutch posted that nonsense. He'll
> argue anyway, just like he argued with me. He is absolutely divorced
> from reality.

I don't think "progressives" are very good at understanding that other people aren't like them.

It's right there in the definition of 'libtard'.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Libtard 

	
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>On Monday, 1 January 2018 00:42:41 UTC, Bill Vanek  wrote:
>
>> Yep, and that's not the first time Dutch posted that nonsense. He'll
>> argue anyway, just like he argued with me. He is absolutely divorced
>> from reality.
>
>I don't think "progressives" are very good at understanding that other people aren't like them.
>
>It's right there in the definition of 'libtard'.
>
>https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Libtard

It also involves solipsism, which all liberals seem to suffer from,
and which Dutch also denies. 

	
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> On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 17:18:10 -0800 (PST), fffurken
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> >On Monday, 1 January 2018 00:42:41 UTC, Bill Vanek  wrote:
> >
> >> Yep, and that's not the first time Dutch posted that nonsense. He'll
> >> argue anyway, just like he argued with me. He is absolutely divorced
> >> from reality.
> >
> >I don't think "progressives" are very good at understanding that other people aren't like them.
> >
> >It's right there in the definition of 'libtard'.
> >
> >https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Libtard
> 
> It also involves solipsism, which all liberals seem to suffer from,
> and which Dutch also denies.

Oooh, 'solipsism', Wordsmith.

I've been addressing this a little bit lately, and I've used the word 'egocentrism'. I think
regressive (morons) are very egocentric. The Canadian dhimmi thinks *hiking* will save Western
civilisation.. Bahahahahahahahahahahaa 

	
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>On Monday, 1 January 2018 01:22:48 UTC, Bill Vanek  wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 17:18:10 -0800 (PST), fffurken
>><fffurken1@mail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Monday, 1 January 2018 00:42:41 UTC, Bill Vanek  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yep, and that's not the first time Dutch posted that nonsense. He'll
>> >> argue anyway, just like he argued with me. He is absolutely divorced
>> >> from reality.
>> >
>> >I don't think "progressives" are very good at understanding that other people aren't like them.
>> >
>> >It's right there in the definition of 'libtard'.
>> >
>> >https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Libtard
>> 
>> It also involves solipsism, which all liberals seem to suffer from,
>> and which Dutch also denies.
>
>Oooh, 'solipsism', Wordsmith.
>
>I've been addressing this a little bit lately, and I've used the word 'egocentrism'. I think
regressive (morons) are very egocentric.

That's part of the definition of solipsism. It follows naturally. 

> The Canadian dhimmi thinks *hiking* will save Western civilisation.. Bahahahahahahahahahahaa

He doesn't think anything. He says whatever he believes will piss off
whoever he wants to piss off. 

	
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On 12/31/2017 4:42 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:33:18 -0800 (PST), Tim Norfolk
><timsn274@aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 6:53:38 PM UTC-5, Dutch wrote:
>>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
>>>>
>>>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly and
completely brainwashed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
>>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
>>
>> Sadly, that is not true, or we would never succeed in enslaving large numbers of people. Most
people turn out to be quite passive.
> 
> Yep, and that's not the first time Dutch posted that nonsense. He'll
> argue anyway, just like he argued with me. He is absolutely divorced
> from reality.
> 

Has either of you ever picked up a history book? 

	
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On Monday, 1 January 2018 03:00:07 UTC, Dutch  wrote:
> On 12/31/2017 4:42 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
> > On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:33:18 -0800 (PST), Tim Norfolk
> ><timsn274@aol.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 6:53:38 PM UTC-5, Dutch wrote:
> >>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >>>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
> >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly
and completely brainwashed.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
> >>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
> >>
> >> Sadly, that is not true, or we would never succeed in enslaving large numbers of people. Most
people turn out to be quite passive.
> > 
> > Yep, and that's not the first time Dutch posted that nonsense. He'll
> > argue anyway, just like he argued with me. He is absolutely divorced
> > from reality.
> > 
> 
> Has either of you ever picked up a history book?

I don't need to read a history book to know what a libtard is 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 7:18:33 PM UTC-8, fffurken wrote:
> On Monday, 1 January 2018 03:00:07 UTC, Dutch  wrote:
> > On 12/31/2017 4:42 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
> > > On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:33:18 -0800 (PST), Tim Norfolk
> > ><timsn274@aol.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 6:53:38 PM UTC-5, Dutch wrote:
> > >>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
> > >>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> > >>>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
> > >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly
and completely brainwashed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
> > >>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
> > >>
> > >> Sadly, that is not true, or we would never succeed in enslaving large numbers of people. Most
people turn out to be quite passive.
> > > 
> > > Yep, and that's not the first time Dutch posted that nonsense. He'll
> > > argue anyway, just like he argued with me. He is absolutely divorced
> > > from reality.
> > > 
> > 
> > Has either of you ever picked up a history book?
> 
> I don't need to read a history book to know what a libtard is



That's rich.  Dutch is on record saying what a good thing socialism is and he's asking others if
they've ever read a history book.  One of the most clueless on this newsgroup. 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 7:31:59 PM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:

> That's rich.  Dutch is on record saying what a good thing socialism is and he's >asking others if
they've ever read a history book.  One of the most clueless on >this newsgroup.

Define socialism. If you are defining it as any deviation from pure laissez-faire economics (as most
right wing nutcases seem to want to define it), then yes, socialism is a good thing. The richest
countries in the world suddenly became MUCH, MUCH richer, MUCH, MUCH faster when they adopted
economic policies you would almost certainly regard as "socialistic". 

	
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>On 12/31/2017 4:42 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Dec 2017 16:33:18 -0800 (PST), Tim Norfolk
>><timsn274@aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 6:53:38 PM UTC-5, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly
and completely brainwashed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
>>>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
>>>
>>> Sadly, that is not true, or we would never succeed in enslaving large numbers of people. Most
people turn out to be quite passive.
>> 
>> Yep, and that's not the first time Dutch posted that nonsense. He'll
>> argue anyway, just like he argued with me. He is absolutely divorced
>> from reality.
>> 
>
>Has either of you ever picked up a history book?

Why, do you want one of us to read it to you? There is a range of
urges running from total "leave me alone" independence, all the way to
"please tell me what to do" total passivity. In other words, far right
to far left. There are people all along that spectrum. 

You don't need history. Just take a look at Russia. There are people
there who still worship Stalin. There are people inside and outside of
Cuba who still worship Fidel, and everything he stands for. How about
N. Korea? How many of those people would have any idea what to do with
themselves if they were free? 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> >>>
> >>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
> >>>
> >>
> >> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
> >>
> >> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> > 
> > Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly and
completely brainwashed.
> > 
> 
> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance 
> at freedom. That includes women by the way.

You didn't explain why those Muslim women wearing headscarves AREN'T the brainwashed, submissives
you have repeatedly claimed they are. I wasn't expecting you to be able to, though. 

	
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> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
>>>>>
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
>>>>
>>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
>>>
>>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly and
completely brainwashed.
>>>
>>
>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
> 
> You didn't explain why those Muslim women wearing headscarves AREN'T the brainwashed, submissives
you have repeatedly claimed they are. I wasn't expecting you to be able to, though.
> 

You're missing the whole point. It's not about who they are, it's about 
what is imposed on them by a sexist authoritarian ideology. This is 
wonderful news; I only hope it results in more freedom for women and not 
more violence and repression. 

	
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On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:42:00 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> On 1/1/2018 12:56 PM, risky biz wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> >>>
> >>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive.. They must be utterly
and completely brainwashed.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
> >> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
> > 
> > You didn't explain why those Muslim women wearing headscarves AREN'T the brainwashed,
submissives you have repeatedly claimed they are. I wasn't expecting you to be able to, though.
> > 
> 
> You're missing the whole point. It's not about who they are, 

Where did I say anything about 'who they are'? More of your diversionary word salad.

it's about 
> what is imposed on them by a sexist authoritarian ideology. This is 
> wonderful news; I only hope it results in more freedom for women and not 
> more violence and repression.

No, you're missing the point. The point is that you have repeatedly claimed that Muslim women
couldn't possibly CHOOSE to wear a headscarf because they are submissive and brainwashed. The video
quite clearly shows a lot of Muslim women wearing headscarves and being anything but submissive.

You're reacting the way you always do when factual information contradicts your propaganda
fantasies- divert, divert, divert. 

	
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> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:42:00 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>> On 1/1/2018 12:56 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly
and completely brainwashed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
>>>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
>>>
>>> You didn't explain why those Muslim women wearing headscarves AREN'T the brainwashed,
submissives you have repeatedly claimed they are. I wasn't expecting you to be able to, though.
>>>
>>
>> You're missing the whole point. It's not about who they are,
> 
> Where did I say anything about 'who they are'? More of your diversionary word salad.

You said they were submissive and brainwashed. That's a comment on who 
they are. I've said all along that they are victims. My beef is not with 
them, it is with their oppressors and the facilitators of their 
oppressors, people like you.

> it's about
>> what is imposed on them by a sexist authoritarian ideology. This is
>> wonderful news; I only hope it results in more freedom for women and not
>> more violence and repression.
> 
> No, you're missing the point. The point is that you have repeatedly claimed that Muslim women
couldn't possibly CHOOSE to wear a headscarf because they are submissive and brainwashed. The video
quite clearly shows a lot of Muslim women wearing headscarves and being anything but submissive.
> 
> You're reacting the way you always do when factual information contradicts your propaganda
fantasies- divert, divert, divert.

You're an idiot. If they're protesting wearing headscarves then they 
probably don't want to be compelled to wear headscarves.. duh!

Would you?

If they're wearing headscarves as they protest then they probably want 
to avoid being arrested or punched for not having their heads covered.

And I am quite certain that the headscarf is just the symbol of a whole 
lot of oppressive rules and customs that they are balking at. People 
eventually strike out when they are oppressed, it's human nature. 

	
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On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 7:30:41 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> On 1/1/2018 2:59 PM, risky biz wrote:
> > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:42:00 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >> On 1/1/2018 12:56 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >>>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
> >>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly
and completely brainwashed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
> >>>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
> >>>
> >>> You didn't explain why those Muslim women wearing headscarves AREN'T the brainwashed,
submissives you have repeatedly claimed they are. I wasn't expecting you to be able to, though.
> >>>
> >>
> >> You're missing the whole point. It's not about who they are,
> > 
> > Where did I say anything about 'who they are'? More of your diversionary word salad.
> 
> You said they were submissive and brainwashed. That's a comment on who 
> they are. I've said all along that they are victims. My beef is not with 
> them, it is with their oppressors and the facilitators of their 
> oppressors, people like you.

I never said Muslim women were submissive and brainwashed, you did. The women in that video are
anything but submissive. You can't deal with that so you dump word salad and claim that I said what
you said.

> > it's about
> >> what is imposed on them by a sexist authoritarian ideology. This is
> >> wonderful news; I only hope it results in more freedom for women and not
> >> more violence and repression.
> > 
> > No, you're missing the point. The point is that you have repeatedly claimed that Muslim women
couldn't possibly CHOOSE to wear a headscarf because they are submissive and brainwashed. The video
quite clearly shows a lot of Muslim women wearing headscarves and being anything but submissive.
> > 
> > You're reacting the way you always do when factual information contradicts your propaganda
fantasies- divert, divert, divert.
> 
> You're an idiot. If they're protesting wearing headscarves then they 
> probably don't want to be compelled to wear headscarves.. duh!
> 
> Would you?
> 
> If they're wearing headscarves as they protest then they probably want 
> to avoid being arrested or punched for not having their heads covered.

They aren't protesting wearing headscarves, you mental midget.
 
> And I am quite certain that the headscarf is just the symbol of a whole 
> lot of oppressive rules and customs that they are balking at. People 
> eventually strike out when they are oppressed, it's human nature.

Word salad. 

	
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> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 7:30:41 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>> On 1/1/2018 2:59 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:42:00 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 1/1/2018 12:56 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be utterly
and completely brainwashed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
>>>>>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't explain why those Muslim women wearing headscarves AREN'T the brainwashed,
submissives you have repeatedly claimed they are. I wasn't expecting you to be able to, though.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're missing the whole point. It's not about who they are,
>>>
>>> Where did I say anything about 'who they are'? More of your diversionary word salad.
>>
>> You said they were submissive and brainwashed. That's a comment on who
>> they are. I've said all along that they are victims. My beef is not with
>> them, it is with their oppressors and the facilitators of their
>> oppressors, people like you.
> 
> I never said Muslim women were submissive and brainwashed, you did. The women in that video are
anything but submissive. You can't deal with that so you dump word salad and claim that I said what
you said.
> 
>>> it's about
>>>> what is imposed on them by a sexist authoritarian ideology. This is
>>>> wonderful news; I only hope it results in more freedom for women and not
>>>> more violence and repression.
>>>
>>> No, you're missing the point. The point is that you have repeatedly claimed that Muslim women
couldn't possibly CHOOSE to wear a headscarf because they are submissive and brainwashed. The video
quite clearly shows a lot of Muslim women wearing headscarves and being anything but submissive.
>>>
>>> You're reacting the way you always do when factual information contradicts your propaganda
fantasies- divert, divert, divert.
>>
>> You're an idiot. If they're protesting wearing headscarves then they
>> probably don't want to be compelled to wear headscarves.. duh!
>>
>> Would you?
>>
>> If they're wearing headscarves as they protest then they probably want
>> to avoid being arrested or punched for not having their heads covered.
> 
> They aren't protesting wearing headscarves, you mental midget.

That's not ALL they are protesting, but it is a symbol of the theocratic 
bully regime they live under. And it's the subject of the video and is 
mentioned in the video.

>> And I am quite certain that the headscarf is just the symbol of a whole
>> lot of oppressive rules and customs that they are balking at. People
>> eventually strike out when they are oppressed, it's human nature.
> 
> Word salad.

A common symptom of cognitive dissonance. 

	
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On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 10:54:49 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> On 1/1/2018 10:17 PM, risky biz wrote:
> > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 7:30:41 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >> On 1/1/2018 2:59 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:42:00 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >>>> On 1/1/2018 12:56 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be
utterly and completely brainwashed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
> >>>>>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You didn't explain why those Muslim women wearing headscarves AREN'T the brainwashed,
submissives you have repeatedly claimed they are. I wasn't expecting you to be able to, though.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You're missing the whole point. It's not about who they are,
> >>>
> >>> Where did I say anything about 'who they are'? More of your diversionary word salad.
> >>
> >> You said they were submissive and brainwashed. That's a comment on who
> >> they are. I've said all along that they are victims. My beef is not with
> >> them, it is with their oppressors and the facilitators of their
> >> oppressors, people like you.
> > 
> > I never said Muslim women were submissive and brainwashed, you did. The women in that video are
anything but submissive. You can't deal with that so you dump word salad and claim that I said what
you said.
> > 
> >>> it's about
> >>>> what is imposed on them by a sexist authoritarian ideology. This is
> >>>> wonderful news; I only hope it results in more freedom for women and not
> >>>> more violence and repression.
> >>>
> >>> No, you're missing the point. The point is that you have repeatedly claimed that Muslim women
couldn't possibly CHOOSE to wear a headscarf because they are submissive and brainwashed. The video
quite clearly shows a lot of Muslim women wearing headscarves and being anything but submissive.
> >>>
> >>> You're reacting the way you always do when factual information contradicts your propaganda
fantasies- divert, divert, divert.
> >>
> >> You're an idiot. If they're protesting wearing headscarves then they
> >> probably don't want to be compelled to wear headscarves.. duh!
> >>
> >> Would you?
> >>
> >> If they're wearing headscarves as they protest then they probably want
> >> to avoid being arrested or punched for not having their heads covered.
> > 
> > They aren't protesting wearing headscarves, you mental midget.
> 
> That's not ALL they are protesting, but it is a symbol of the theocratic 
> bully regime they live under. And it's the subject of the video and is 
> mentioned in the video.
> 
> >> And I am quite certain that the headscarf is just the symbol of a whole
> >> lot of oppressive rules and customs that they are balking at. People
> >> eventually strike out when they are oppressed, it's human nature.
> > 
> > Word salad.
> 
> A common symptom of cognitive dissonance.

Did the Muslim women in the videos look submissive to you, 'dutch'? 

	
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> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 10:54:49 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>> On 1/1/2018 10:17 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 7:30:41 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 1/1/2018 2:59 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:42:00 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/1/2018 12:56 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be
utterly and completely brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
>>>>>>>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You didn't explain why those Muslim women wearing headscarves AREN'T the brainwashed,
submissives you have repeatedly claimed they are. I wasn't expecting you to be able to, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're missing the whole point. It's not about who they are,
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did I say anything about 'who they are'? More of your diversionary word salad.
>>>>
>>>> You said they were submissive and brainwashed. That's a comment on who
>>>> they are. I've said all along that they are victims. My beef is not with
>>>> them, it is with their oppressors and the facilitators of their
>>>> oppressors, people like you.
>>>
>>> I never said Muslim women were submissive and brainwashed, you did. The women in that video are
anything but submissive. You can't deal with that so you dump word salad and claim that I said what
you said.
>>>
>>>>> it's about
>>>>>> what is imposed on them by a sexist authoritarian ideology. This is
>>>>>> wonderful news; I only hope it results in more freedom for women and not
>>>>>> more violence and repression.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you're missing the point. The point is that you have repeatedly claimed that Muslim women
couldn't possibly CHOOSE to wear a headscarf because they are submissive and brainwashed. The video
quite clearly shows a lot of Muslim women wearing headscarves and being anything but submissive.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're reacting the way you always do when factual information contradicts your propaganda
fantasies- divert, divert, divert.
>>>>
>>>> You're an idiot. If they're protesting wearing headscarves then they
>>>> probably don't want to be compelled to wear headscarves.. duh!
>>>>
>>>> Would you?
>>>>
>>>> If they're wearing headscarves as they protest then they probably want
>>>> to avoid being arrested or punched for not having their heads covered.
>>>
>>> They aren't protesting wearing headscarves, you mental midget.
>>
>> That's not ALL they are protesting, but it is a symbol of the theocratic
>> bully regime they live under. And it's the subject of the video and is
>> mentioned in the video.
>>
>>>> And I am quite certain that the headscarf is just the symbol of a whole
>>>> lot of oppressive rules and customs that they are balking at. People
>>>> eventually strike out when they are oppressed, it's human nature.
>>>
>>> Word salad.
>>
>> A common symptom of cognitive dissonance.
> 
> Did the Muslim women in the videos look submissive to you, 'dutch'?
> 
You really should give it a rest.

Everyone who is oppressed is submissive until they finally can't take it 
anymore, and it helps when a movement breaks out that supports them.

You'd keep your scarf on if showing your hair meant being tossed in jail 
and/or slapped silly.

And my mistake, it's two male witnesses or one male and two female, but 
not four female, noooo, they're not believable.

Your constant running interference for inhumanity is despicable. 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 1:37:09 AM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> On 1/1/2018 10:58 PM, risky biz wrote:
> > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 10:54:49 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >> On 1/1/2018 10:17 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 7:30:41 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >>>> On 1/1/2018 2:59 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 2:42:00 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >>>>>> On 1/1/2018 12:56 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:53:38 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 12/31/2017 3:11 PM, risky biz wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 3:04:04 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/31/2017 1:36 PM, fffurken wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Wow! Those Muslim women wearing headscarves are INCREDIBLY submissive. They must be
utterly and completely brainwashed.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Human beings when given half a chance will risk everything for a chance
> >>>>>>>> at freedom. That includes women by the way.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You didn't explain why those Muslim women wearing headscarves AREN'T the brainwashed,
submissives you have repeatedly claimed they are. I wasn't expecting you to be able to, though.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You're missing the whole point. It's not about who they are,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where did I say anything about 'who they are'? More of your diversionary word salad.
> >>>>
> >>>> You said they were submissive and brainwashed. That's a comment on who
> >>>> they are. I've said all along that they are victims. My beef is not with
> >>>> them, it is with their oppressors and the facilitators of their
> >>>> oppressors, people like you.
> >>>
> >>> I never said Muslim women were submissive and brainwashed, you did. The women in that video
are anything but submissive. You can't deal with that so you dump word salad and claim that I said
what you said.
> >>>
> >>>>> it's about
> >>>>>> what is imposed on them by a sexist authoritarian ideology. This is
> >>>>>> wonderful news; I only hope it results in more freedom for women and not
> >>>>>> more violence and repression.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, you're missing the point. The point is that you have repeatedly claimed that Muslim
women couldn't possibly CHOOSE to wear a headscarf because they are submissive and brainwashed. The
video quite clearly shows a lot of Muslim women wearing headscarves and being anything but
submissive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You're reacting the way you always do when factual information contradicts your propaganda
fantasies- divert, divert, divert.
> >>>>
> >>>> You're an idiot. If they're protesting wearing headscarves then they
> >>>> probably don't want to be compelled to wear headscarves.. duh!
> >>>>
> >>>> Would you?
> >>>>
> >>>> If they're wearing headscarves as they protest then they probably want
> >>>> to avoid being arrested or punched for not having their heads covered.
> >>>
> >>> They aren't protesting wearing headscarves, you mental midget.
> >>
> >> That's not ALL they are protesting, but it is a symbol of the theocratic
> >> bully regime they live under. And it's the subject of the video and is
> >> mentioned in the video.
> >>
> >>>> And I am quite certain that the headscarf is just the symbol of a whole
> >>>> lot of oppressive rules and customs that they are balking at. People
> >>>> eventually strike out when they are oppressed, it's human nature.
> >>>
> >>> Word salad.
> >>
> >> A common symptom of cognitive dissonance.
> > 
> > Did the Muslim women in the videos look submissive to you, 'dutch'?
> > 
> You really should give it a rest.
> 
> Everyone who is oppressed is submissive until they finally can't take it 
> anymore, and it helps when a movement breaks out that supports them.

Are you having a serious problem with this question, 'dutch'?

Did the Muslim women in the videos look submissive to you, 'dutch'?

What's wrong? Cat got your tongue because the reality which everyone can see in those videos slaps
your Islamophobic fantasy in the face with facts? It's monumental arrogance on your part to
attribute to a Muslim woman wearing modest clothing a submissive inability to dress in the manner
which YOU choose. 
And YOU'RE claiming that the Islamic religion is sexist. Towering hypocrisy..

> You'd keep your scarf on if showing your hair meant being tossed in jail 
> and/or slapped silly.

You're way off base when you impute to me behavior that would be your choice.

> And my mistake, it's two male witnesses or one male and two female, but 
> not four female, noooo, they're not believable.

Sharia stipulates that rape by force is proven if the woman shouts out for help. The punishment of
the perpetrator ranges from death to 100 lashes. You've exchanged one LIE for a new LIE.

You don't know the first thing about Islamic law or Muslims yet you're shouting your mouth off about
it on a daily basis. The sources of your falsehoods are websites whose sole purpose is to whip up
hatred of all Muslims. The falsehoods you find there and mimic here have been outed as baldfaced
lies numerous times yet you stubbornly return to them again and again for new lies about Muslims.
That, ipso facto, makes you a pernicious LIAR.

> Your constant running interference for inhumanity is despicable.

By your definition Joseph Goebbels could make the same statement. You have everything in the world
in common with his methods. 

	
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> Did the Muslim women in the videos look submissive to you

The question is a clumsy strawman. You are a waste of time. 

	
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> > 
> > --
> > "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
> > 
> > https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
> > 
> 
> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
> 
> Don't post shitty videos like that.

lol What's "shitty" about it Dutch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M&t=3m47s 

	
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>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch
>>>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/ycdg9ejk
>>>
>>
>> Big protest in Iran right now.. could get ugly.
>>
>> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> 
> lol What's "shitty" about it Dutch?

The screaming women are wearing headscarves. ??

Mostly I have no idea what's happening.

> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-GCa0MG9M&t=3m47s
> 

	
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On Monday, 1 January 2018 02:56:54 UTC, Dutch  wrote:

> >> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> > 
> > lol What's "shitty" about it Dutch?
> 
> The screaming women are wearing headscarves. ??

lol I'm not the one who said it's a "shitty" video. You are now, ostensibly, asking *me*, why you
think it's a shitty video. 

	
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Subject: Re: Maybe Trump will help the resistence in Iran
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On Monday, 1 January 2018 03:08:57 UTC, fffurken  wrote:
> On Monday, 1 January 2018 02:56:54 UTC, Dutch  wrote:
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> > >> Don't post shitty videos like that.
> > > 
> > > lol What's "shitty" about it Dutch?
> > 
> > The screaming women are wearing headscarves. ??
> 
> lol I'm not the one who said it's a "shitty" video. You are now, ostensibly, asking *me*, why you
think it's a shitty video.

Or no wait, maybe that was a statement.. You think it's a "shitty" video because there are screaming
women wearing hijabs in it.

lol Go to your safe space, snowflake.

--
"I think hijabs look smashing!" - Dutch 

	
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On 12/31/2017 7:16 PM, fffurken wrote:
> You think it's a "shitty" video because there are screaming women wearing hijabs in it.

I thought it was women risking their lives to protest having to wear 
head scarves. Then why are they wearing head scarves? 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 9:54:42 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> On 12/31/2017 7:16 PM, fffurken wrote:
> > You think it's a "shitty" video because there are screaming women wearing hijabs in it.
> 
> I thought it was women risking their lives to protest having to wear 
> head scarves. Then why are they wearing head scarves?

In the first place, to clear up your confusion, the video of women protesting a headscarf
requirement has been spliced together with people protesting other things.

If women protesting a headscarf requirement are risking their lives it must be exceptionally low
risk if no one got killed. Are you incapable of saying anything about Muslims without HUGE
exaggerations?

Your framing that headscarves were imposed on Iranian women by Islamic religion and that none of
them would wear a headscarf by choice collapses in the face of factual information:

'Since pre-Islamic times, the wearing of a headscarf by women has been common in Greater Iran, veils
are first recorded in the region in ancient Mesopotamia.'

'In the mid-1930s, pro-Western ruler Reza Shah issued a decree, banning all veils. Many types of
male traditional clothing were also banned in order that "Westerners now wouldn’t laugh at
us",[73][74][75] the ban humiliated and alienated many Iranian women. To enforce this decree, police
were ordered to physically remove the veil off of any woman who wore it in public. Women were
beaten, their headscarves and chadors torn off, and their homes forcibly searched. Until Reza
Shah’s abdication in 1941, many women simply chose not leave their houses in order to avoid such
embarrassing confrontations'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab_by_country

A headscarf is formally required by law in Iran now and that's just as wrong as France banning
headscarves. Explain why you consider the former imposition by the state authoritarian while you
have absolutely no condemnation of the latter imposition of the state as authoritarian. 

	
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On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 3:24:29 PM UTC-8, risky biz wrote:
> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 9:54:42 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> > On 12/31/2017 7:16 PM, fffurken wrote:
> > > You think it's a "shitty" video because there are screaming women wearing hijabs in it.
> > 
> > I thought it was women risking their lives to protest having to wear 
> > head scarves. Then why are they wearing head scarves?
> 
> In the first place, to clear up your confusion, the video of women protesting a headscarf
requirement has been spliced together with people protesting other things.
> 
> If women protesting a headscarf requirement are risking their lives it must be exceptionally low
risk if no one got killed. Are you incapable of saying anything about Muslims without HUGE
exaggerations?
> 
> Your framing that headscarves were imposed on Iranian women by Islamic religion and that none of
them would wear a headscarf by choice collapses in the face of factual information:
> 
> 'Since pre-Islamic times, the wearing of a headscarf by women has been common in Greater Iran,
veils are first recorded in the region in ancient Mesopotamia.'
> 
> 'In the mid-1930s, pro-Western ruler Reza Shah issued a decree, banning all veils. Many types of
male traditional clothing were also banned in order that "Westerners now wouldn’t laugh at
us",[73][74][75] the ban humiliated and alienated many Iranian women. To enforce this decree, police
were ordered to physically remove the veil off of any woman who wore it in public. Women were
beaten, their headscarves and chadors torn off, and their homes forcibly searched. Until Reza
Shah’s abdication in 1941, many women simply chose not leave their houses in order to avoid such
embarrassing confrontations'
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab_by_country
> 
> A headscarf is formally required by law in Iran now and that's just as wrong as France banning
headscarves. Explain why you consider the former imposition by the state authoritarian while you
have absolutely no condemnation of the latter imposition of the state as authoritarian.

Inability to provide explanation noted. The slithering away in silence defense. 

	
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On 1/2/2018 9:39 AM, risky biz wrote:
>> A headscarf is formally required by law in Iran now and that's just as wrong as France banning
headscarves. Explain why you consider the former imposition by the state authoritarian while you
have absolutely no condemnation of the latter imposition of the state as authoritarian.

Context matters. The headscarf has become a symbol of the oppression of 
females, attaching shame to the display of feminine beauty, something 
anathema to French values and traditions. However I don't find banning 
the headscarf to be a particularly good way to approach the issue. 
Education would be better.