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This is really going to bring back some memories for Travel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbELDkElB40

That's what happens when you spot genius early enough! 

Unfortunately, Travel was in seventh grade before they discovered his genius, and by then it was too
late. Poor guy ended up as an assistant manager at Arby's. 

	
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On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 15:29:24 UTC, BillB  wrote:
> This is really going to bring back some memories for Travel:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbELDkElB40
> 
> That's what happens when you spot genius early enough! 
> 
> Unfortunately, Travel was in seventh grade before they discovered his genius, and by then it was
too late. Poor guy ended up as an assistant manager at Arby's.

East Asians have a higher average IQ than whites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zoomb3qptg

(https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-crime-chinese/thousands-ra...
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 2:23:51 PM UTC-8, fffurken wrote:
> On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 15:29:24 UTC, BillB  wrote:
> > This is really going to bring back some memories for Travel:
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbELDkElB40
> > 
> > That's what happens when you spot genius early enough! 
> > 
> > Unfortunately, Travel was in seventh grade before they discovered his genius, and by then it was
too late. Poor guy ended up as an assistant manager at Arby's.
> 
> East Asians have a higher average IQ than whites.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zoomb3qptg
> 
>
(https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-crime-chinese/thousands-ra...)

Thanks, in great measure, to people like you. 

	
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Yeah, and it's people like me to blame for the antisemitism in France too, you fucking lying Moslem
spastic 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 3:49:45 PM UTC-8, fffurken wrote:
> Yeah, and it's people like me to blame for the antisemitism in France too, you fucking lying
Moslem spastic

Hmmm. It's an emotional reptile. 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 5:23:51 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> On Tuesday, 2 January 2018 15:29:24 UTC, BillB  wrote:
> > This is really going to bring back some memories for Travel:
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbELDkElB40
> > 
> > That's what happens when you spot genius early enough! 
> > 
> > Unfortunately, Travel was in seventh grade before they discovered his genius, and by then it was
too late. Poor guy ended up as an assistant manager at Arby's.
> 
> East Asians have a higher average IQ than whites.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zoomb3qptg
> 
>
(https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-crime-chinese/thousands-ra...)

Which is one of the major reasons that US schools stopped administering IQ tests.

East Asians are also over-represented at selective US universities. Interestingly, this mostly
applies to first and second generation immigrants. By the third generation, most of the effect
disappears. 

	
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On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:31:34 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:

> By the third generation, most of the effect disappears.

"Most".

Do you have a cite for that Tim? I'm not going to accept it just because you said it. Especially
because I think your motivation (to say it) would be to deny race realism and a hereditary link to
IQ, because that would be in line with your pro-black, anti-white (self-loathing) politics. 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 4:44:58 PM UTC-8, fffurken wrote:
> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:31:34 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
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> > By the third generation, most of the effect disappears.
> 
> "Most".
> 
> Do you have a cite for that Tim? I'm not going to accept it just because you said it. Especially
because I think your motivation (to say it) would be to deny race realism and a hereditary link to
IQ, because that would be in line with your pro-black, anti-white (self-loathing) politics.

Don't worry yourself about it, goober. After three generations they're still twice as smart as you. 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:44:58 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:31:34 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
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> > By the third generation, most of the effect disappears.
> 
> "Most".
> 
> Do you have a cite for that Tim? I'm not going to accept it just because you said it. Especially
because I think your motivation (to say it) would be to deny race realism and a hereditary link to
IQ, because that would be in line with your pro-black, anti-white (self-loathing) politics.

I'll have to look for it. It was some time ago, and about the time that there were lawsuits because
of 'too many' Asians in the elite California universities. 

	
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On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:44:58 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:31:34 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > 
> > > By the third generation, most of the effect disappears.
> > 
> > "Most".
> > 
> > Do you have a cite for that Tim? I'm not going to accept it just because you said it. Especially
because I think your motivation (to say it) would be to deny race realism and a hereditary link to
IQ, because that would be in line with your pro-black, anti-white (self-loathing) politics.
> 
> I'll have to look for it. It was some time ago, and about the time that there were lawsuits
because of 'too many' Asians in the elite California universities.

While I look for it, here's an idea for you. There are many hypotheses as to why the Koreans and
Japanese perform so well in Mathematics (better than the Chinese, and much better than most
Europeans). In Europe, some of the top performance is in Germany. My hypothesis is that the rigid
grammar of Japanese/Korean/German makes the logic of Mathematics more natural. 

	
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> On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:44:58 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:31:34 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>
>>>> By the third generation, most of the effect disappears.
>>>
>>> "Most".
>>>
>>> Do you have a cite for that Tim? I'm not going to accept it just because you said it. Especially
because I think your motivation (to say it) would be to deny race realism and a hereditary link to
IQ, because that would be in line with your pro-black, anti-white (self-loathing) politics.
>>
>> I'll have to look for it. It was some time ago, and about the time that there were lawsuits
because of 'too many' Asians in the elite California universities.
> 
> While I look for it, here's an idea for you. There are many hypotheses as to why the Koreans and
Japanese perform so well in Mathematics (better than the Chinese, and much better than most
Europeans). In Europe, some of the top performance is in Germany. My hypothesis is that the rigid
grammar of Japanese/Korean/German makes the logic of Mathematics more natural.
> 

I think it has a lot to do with the culture. Korean and Japanese 
families set very high goals for their children and those children are 
expected and made to work hard to attain them. I suspect Germany is 
likely similar in that respect. 

	
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> On 1/3/2018 11:22 AM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:44:58 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:31:34 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
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> >>>> By the third generation, most of the effect disappears.
> >>>
> >>> "Most".
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> >>> Do you have a cite for that Tim? I'm not going to accept it just because you said it.
Especially because I think your motivation (to say it) would be to deny race realism and a
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politics.
> >>
> >> I'll have to look for it. It was some time ago, and about the time that there were lawsuits
because of 'too many' Asians in the elite California universities.
> > 
> > While I look for it, here's an idea for you. There are many hypotheses as to why the Koreans and
Japanese perform so well in Mathematics (better than the Chinese, and much better than most
Europeans). In Europe, some of the top performance is in Germany. My hypothesis is that the rigid
grammar of Japanese/Korean/German makes the logic of Mathematics more natural.
> > 
> 
> I think it has a lot to do with the culture. Korean and Japanese 
> families set very high goals for their children and those children are 
> expected and made to work hard to attain them. I suspect Germany is 
> likely similar in that respect.

There is something to that as well, although the Germans are nowhere near as self-disciplined as my
mother's generation. Of course, that resulted in the Third Reich. 

	
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> On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5, Tim Norfolk wrote:
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> > > On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:31:34 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
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> > > > By the third generation, most of the effect disappears.
> > > 
> > > "Most".
> > > 
> > > Do you have a cite for that Tim? I'm not going to accept it just because you said it.
Especially because I think your motivation (to say it) would be to deny race realism and a
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> > 
> > I'll have to look for it. It was some time ago, and about the time that there were lawsuits
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> 
> While I look for it, here's an idea for you. There are many hypotheses as to why the Koreans and
Japanese perform so well in Mathematics (better than the Chinese, and much better than most
Europeans). In Europe, some of the top performance is in Germany. My hypothesis is that the rigid
grammar of Japanese/Korean/German makes the logic of Mathematics more natural.

If you haven't known any Koreans you would have no idea of the massive familial pressure imposed on
Korean children to achieve. Their parents decide what their careers will be. I met a young Korean
guy once who was on a career path to be a doctor and didn't want to be a doctor. I asked him why he
didn't do something else and he said, 'My father says I'm going to be a doctor.' I wonder how good a
doctor he became.

Japanese- I don't know. Chinese are right up there near the Koreans in that respect, at least the
more affluent families. 

	
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> > > By the third generation, most of the effect disappears.
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> > "Most".
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> 
> I'll have to look for it. It was some time ago, and about the time that there were lawsuits
because of 'too many' Asians in the elite California universities.

Well, the papers that I can find suggest that the hereditary part of intelligence is 75-80%. Another
part is certainly due to nutrition. I just read a piece that showed the IQ of Indian-Americans
rising due to their increased meat intake.

I have always argued for genetics as a strong predictor of behaviour, including intelligence. My
teacher in Moral Philosophy in the 70's thought I was a Nazi. 

	
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> I have always argued for genetics as a strong predictor of behaviour, including intelligence. My
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Good for you.

Do you think importing millions of people from low IQ, low trust societies into high IQ, high trust
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The benefits to the immigrant are obviously enormous. They far outweigh any slight inconvenience to
the wealthy host country. In other words, the net effect is the happiness quotient of the world
going UP. Therefore, good idea. 

	
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trust societies is a good idea?
> 
> The benefits to the immigrant are obviously enormous.

Of course there are "benefits" for a third worlder who manages to break into a cradle to the grave
welfare state in the West. Who would ever suggest otherwise.

> They far outweigh any slight inconvenience to the wealthy host country. In other words, the net
effect is the happiness quotient of the world going UP. Therefore, good idea.

lol Muh Altruism. You really are like a child, but I've always said that.

Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

"Import the third world, become the third world."

"Know Islam, No Peace. No Islam, Know Peace." 

	
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>On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:58:43 UTC, BillB  wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 2:19:08 PM UTC-8, fffurken wrote:
>> > Do you think importing millions of people from low IQ, low trust societies into >high IQ, high
trust societies is a good idea?
>> 
>> The benefits to the immigrant are obviously enormous.
>
>Of course there are "benefits" for a third worlder who manages to break into a cradle to the grave
welfare state in the West. Who would ever suggest otherwise.

Heh 

	
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> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:48:24 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
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> > I have always argued for genetics as a strong predictor of behaviour, including intelligence. My
teacher in Moral Philosophy in the 70's thought I was a Nazi.
> 
> Good for you.
> 
> Do you think importing millions of people from low IQ, low trust societies into high IQ, high
trust societies is a good idea?

Low-IQ 'furkedon' just divined in a bolt of genius that 'Middle Easterners' have a lower IQ than
him. Bwa-ha. That's hilarious. 

	
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> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:48:24 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
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> > I have always argued for genetics as a strong predictor of behaviour, including intelligence. My
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> Good for you.
> 
> Do you think importing millions of people from low IQ, low trust societies into high IQ, high
trust societies is a good idea?

I don't know, but the Irish did OK here in the US, eventually. 

	
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> I don't know, but the Irish did OK here in the US, eventually.

Right Tim. Have you always been anti-Irish? 

	
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> On Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:49:30 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
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> > > Do you think importing millions of people from low IQ, low trust societies into high IQ, high
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> > 
> > I don't know, but the Irish did OK here in the US, eventually.
> 
> Right Tim. Have you always been anti-Irish?

He's just being factual. Many have quite done well for themselves. According to you, however, it was
a big mistake to let any into North America because the average IQ in Ireland is only 92  (
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/ie-ireland). 

	
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> On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 4:41:52 PM UTC-8, fffurken wrote:
> > On Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:49:30 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
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> > > > Do you think importing millions of people from low IQ, low trust societies into high IQ,
high trust societies is a good idea?
> > > 
> > > I don't know, but the Irish did OK here in the US, eventually.
> > 
> > Right Tim. Have you always been anti-Irish?
> 
> He's just being factual. Many have quite done well for themselves. According to you, however, it
was a big mistake to let any into North America because the average IQ in Ireland is only 92  (
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/ie-ireland).

lol That didn't take you long (and was entirely expected).

Admittedly that isn't a very flattering score, but you are appear to be as stupid/anti-Irish as Tim,
in lumping Irish people in with the actual low IQ races/nationalities. 

	
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> On Friday, 5 January 2018 00:51:20 UTC, BillB  wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 4:41:52 PM UTC-8, fffurken wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:49:30 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > Do you think importing millions of people from low IQ, low trust societies into high IQ,
high trust societies is a good idea?
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know, but the Irish did OK here in the US, eventually.
> > > 
> > > Right Tim. Have you always been anti-Irish?
> > 
> > He's just being factual. Many have quite done well for themselves. According to you, however, it
was a big mistake to let any into North America because the average IQ in Ireland is only 92  (
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/ie-ireland).
> 
> lol That didn't take you long (and was entirely expected).
> 
> Admittedly that isn't a very flattering score, but you are appear to be as stupid/anti-Irish as
Tim, in lumping Irish people in with the actual low IQ races/nationalities.

We weren't lumping anyone into anything. We simply tested your theory against the low-IQ Irish
immigrant experience and found that it did not hold water. Many of the Irish were off welfare within
three generations. We are glad we gave the chance for a better life. 

	
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On Friday, 5 January 2018 01:21:58 UTC, BillB  wrote:
> On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 5:00:54 PM UTC-8, fffurken wrote:
> > On Friday, 5 January 2018 00:51:20 UTC, BillB  wrote:
> > > On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 4:41:52 PM UTC-8, fffurken wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:49:30 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > Do you think importing millions of people from low IQ, low trust societies into high IQ,
high trust societies is a good idea?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't know, but the Irish did OK here in the US, eventually.
> > > > 
> > > > Right Tim. Have you always been anti-Irish?
> > > 
> > > He's just being factual. Many have quite done well for themselves. According to you, however,
it was a big mistake to let any into North America because the average IQ in Ireland is only 92  (
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/ie-ireland).
> > 
> > lol That didn't take you long (and was entirely expected).
> > 
> > Admittedly that isn't a very flattering score, but you are appear to be as stupid/anti-Irish as
Tim, in lumping Irish people in with the actual low IQ races/nationalities.
> 
> We weren't lumping anyone into anything. We simply tested your theory against the low-IQ Irish
immigrant experience and found that it did not hold water. Many of the Irish were off welfare within
three generations. We are glad we gave the chance for a better life.

Take a look at the map and try to figure out who I was talking about.

And would you like to take a stab at the question? See if you make an improvement on "I don't know".

The question was;

Do you think importing millions of people from low IQ, low trust societies into high IQ, high trust
societies is a good idea? 

	
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> On Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:49:30 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
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> > > Do you think importing millions of people from low IQ, low trust societies into high IQ, high
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> > 
> > I don't know, but the Irish did OK here in the US, eventually.
> 
> Right Tim. Have you always been anti-Irish?

Not really. I'm not anti- any particular group. I do my best to judge people as individuals. 

	
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> > Right Tim. Have you always been anti-Irish?
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> Not really.

Well yes, not always, you weren't an anti-Irish bigot the day you were born. 

	
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> On Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:03:03 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
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> > > Right Tim. Have you always been anti-Irish?
> > 
> > Not really.
> 
> Well yes, not always, you weren't an anti-Irish bigot the day you were born.

I was thinking about this as I drove to a friend's funeral today. Let's see if you can read and
think:

Growing up, the Irish that I knew included men in my father's British Army unit, whom I respected
greatly, and labourers, in particular on the Severn bridge. My mother worked nights at the local
hospital, restraining Irishmen who had been carved up by their friends after drinking heavily.

In college, I had one Irish flatmate from Liverpool, who would help you any way that he could, when
sober. A few drinks in, he would literally try to kill you. One evening, he spent some time trying
to bust down my door, while holding a carving knife. I also knew some Irish workers who frequented
the pub around the corner from our hall of residence. They had the habit of picking up 14-year-old
girls for their evening out, since their wives were back home in Eire.

My Irish/Brummie sister-in-law worked as a Registrar of births, marriages and deaths. Far too many
of the deaths were Irish labourers who died in their early 50's in boarding houses, victims of
drinking 10 pints or more of Guinness per day, and often smoking heavily.

In graduate school, I shared classes with charming students from the Dublin area, who drank heavily,
and were solid Mathematicians.

Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these experiences,
what should it be? 

	
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> Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these experiences,
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What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent drunks (or
at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi. 

	
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> > Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these
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> 
> What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent drunks (or
at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.

Btw, I'm sorry to hear about your father, you appear to harbour a deep resentment (against Irish
people) about what happened, but it wasn't a religious conflict. You dolt. 

	
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> On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:39:31 UTC, fffurken  wrote:
> > On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > 
> > > Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these
experiences, what should it be?
> > 
> > What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent drunks
(or at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
> 
> Btw, I'm sorry to hear about your father, you appear to harbour a deep resentment (against Irish
people) about what happened, but it wasn't a religious conflict. You dolt.

What are you sorry to hear about my father? That he is dead? 

	
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On Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:48:08 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:50:19 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> > On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:39:31 UTC, fffurken  wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these
experiences, what should it be?
> > > 
> > > What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent drunks
(or at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
> > 
> > Btw, I'm sorry to hear about your father, you appear to harbour a deep resentment (against Irish
people) about what happened, but it wasn't a religious conflict. You dolt.
> 
> What are you sorry to hear about my father? That he is dead?

Oh I'm sorry, I thought your father had been killed by the IRA. Was anyone close to you killed by
the IRA? 

	
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Subject: Re: Childhood genius looks something like this....
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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:44:53 AM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:48:08 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:50:19 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:39:31 UTC, fffurken  wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these
experiences, what should it be?
> > > > 
> > > > What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent
drunks (or at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
> > > 
> > > Btw, I'm sorry to hear about your father, you appear to harbour a deep resentment (against
Irish people) about what happened, but it wasn't a religious conflict. You dolt.
> > 
> > What are you sorry to hear about my father? That he is dead?
> 
> Oh I'm sorry, I thought your father had been killed by the IRA. Was anyone close to you killed by
the IRA?

Not that I know of. He was drafted in 1944 and fought the Hitler Youth in 1945-48. Then he was
defending the Empire in Egypt against nationalists in 1949-50; Cyprus, against Greek nationalists
who also attacked the Muslim Turks in 1950-54, then Aden against the Yemeni nationalists in the
early 60's. He finished his military career putting up bomb barricades in Londonderry in 1972 or so. 

	
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On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
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> > Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these
experiences, what should it be?
> 
> What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent drunks (or
at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.

Which is most definitely not my opinion, nor what I said. However, it was the image portrayed about
the Irish here. 

	
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On Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:47:06 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> > On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > 
> > > Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these
experiences, what should it be?
> > 
> > What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent drunks
(or at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
> 
> Which is most definitely not my opinion, nor what I said. However, it was the image portrayed
about the Irish here.

"Here" being America? Yet all of your anecdotes were from the UK?

Anyway, don't worry about it Tim, I'm used to anti-Irish prejudice, and I don't whine about it
either, it's not like I'm a Muslim.

In fact, I've detected a degree of anti-Irish bigotry from all of the English posters (that I'm
aware of) who have posted on RGP (you may not be sending your best). 

	
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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:42:35 AM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:47:06 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these
experiences, what should it be?
> > > 
> > > What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent drunks
(or at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
> > 
> > Which is most definitely not my opinion, nor what I said. However, it was the image portrayed
about the Irish here.
> 
> "Here" being America? Yet all of your anecdotes were from the UK?
> 
> Anyway, don't worry about it Tim, I'm used to anti-Irish prejudice, and I don't whine about it
either, it's not like I'm a Muslim.
> 
> In fact, I've detected a degree of anti-Irish bigotry from all of the English posters (that I'm
aware of) who have posted on RGP (you may not be sending your best).

My anecdotes were not all from the UK. I moved here after my undergraduate degree. 

	
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On Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:27:46 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:42:35 AM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> > On Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:47:06 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these
experiences, what should it be?
> > > > 
> > > > What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent
drunks (or at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
> > > 
> > > Which is most definitely not my opinion, nor what I said. However, it was the image portrayed
about the Irish here.
> > 
> > "Here" being America? Yet all of your anecdotes were from the UK?
> > 
> > Anyway, don't worry about it Tim, I'm used to anti-Irish prejudice, and I don't whine about it
either, it's not like I'm a Muslim.
> > 
> > In fact, I've detected a degree of anti-Irish bigotry from all of the English posters (that I'm
aware of) who have posted on RGP (you may not be sending your best).
> 
> My anecdotes were not all from the UK. I moved here after my undergraduate degree.

Oh there's more? From America? Well feel free....

So far I only noticed that your anecdotes in which you painted the Irish as low IQ, violent,
alcoholic and child molesters were all from the UK. 

	
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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:27:46 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:42:35 AM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> > > On Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:47:06 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these
experiences, what should it be?
> > > > > 
> > > > > What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent
drunks (or at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
> > > > 
> > > > Which is most definitely not my opinion, nor what I said. However, it was the image
portrayed about the Irish here.
> > > 
> > > "Here" being America? Yet all of your anecdotes were from the UK?
> > > 
> > > Anyway, don't worry about it Tim, I'm used to anti-Irish prejudice, and I don't whine about it
either, it's not like I'm a Muslim.
> > > 
> > > In fact, I've detected a degree of anti-Irish bigotry from all of the English posters (that
I'm aware of) who have posted on RGP (you may not be sending your best).
> > 
> > My anecdotes were not all from the UK. I moved here after my undergraduate degree.
> 
> Oh there's more? From America? Well feel free....
> 
> So far I only noticed that your anecdotes in which you painted the Irish as low IQ, violent,
alcoholic and child molesters were all from the UK.

You asked, and I gave you my experience. You selectively read it. Now, as it happens, I am not anti-
any group on a basis of national origin, culture, or religion. I have friends and co-workers of a
dozen different religions and national origins. What matters is how they behave, in particular
towards me. For a simple reason - my sample might not be big enough for a reasoned extrapolation,
and averages don't tell the full story. 

	
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On 1/7/2018 7:28 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:27:46 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:42:35 AM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:47:06 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these
experiences, what should it be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent
drunks (or at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is most definitely not my opinion, nor what I said. However, it was the image portrayed
about the Irish here.
>>>>
>>>> "Here" being America? Yet all of your anecdotes were from the UK?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, don't worry about it Tim, I'm used to anti-Irish prejudice, and I don't whine about it
either, it's not like I'm a Muslim.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I've detected a degree of anti-Irish bigotry from all of the English posters (that I'm
aware of) who have posted on RGP (you may not be sending your best).
>>>
>>> My anecdotes were not all from the UK. I moved here after my undergraduate degree.
>>
>> Oh there's more? From America? Well feel free....
>>
>> So far I only noticed that your anecdotes in which you painted the Irish as low IQ, violent,
alcoholic and child molesters were all from the UK.
> 
> You asked, and I gave you my experience. You selectively read it. Now, as it happens, I am not
anti- any group on a basis of national origin, culture, or religion. I have friends and co-workers
of a dozen different religions and national origins. What matters is how they behave, in particular
towards me. For a simple reason - my sample might not be big enough for a reasoned extrapolation,
and averages don't tell the full story.

It is exceptionally difficult to have a discussion on this newsgroup.  I 
once tried not to let myself be drawn into the back-and-forth insults 
that seem to be the mainstay of the group.  I often failed and I think I 
am not longer to able to try very hard any more.  I am impressed that 
you seem to be able to keep trying not to be lured into the swamp.

What is more distressing is that social media of all sorts and even day 
to day interactions with people face to face seem to be also infected 
with whatever it is that has almost destroyed civil discussion on this 
group.

Political discussions have taken on a religious fervor ... opinions are 
based on doctrine.  Anyone who does not accept the Word are heretics and 
should be shunned or worse ... destroyed ... figuratively or actually.

We are living in a new world.



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On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 5:49:30 AM UTC-8, da pickle wrote:
> On 1/7/2018 7:28 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> >> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:27:46 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:42:35 AM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:47:06 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> >>>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of the Irish from these
experiences, what should it be?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the Irish" are low IQ violent
drunks (or at least one of those things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Which is most definitely not my opinion, nor what I said. However, it was the image
portrayed about the Irish here.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Here" being America? Yet all of your anecdotes were from the UK?
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, don't worry about it Tim, I'm used to anti-Irish prejudice, and I don't whine about
it either, it's not like I'm a Muslim.
> >>>>
> >>>> In fact, I've detected a degree of anti-Irish bigotry from all of the English posters (that
I'm aware of) who have posted on RGP (you may not be sending your best).
> >>>
> >>> My anecdotes were not all from the UK. I moved here after my undergraduate degree.
> >>
> >> Oh there's more? From America? Well feel free....
> >>
> >> So far I only noticed that your anecdotes in which you painted the Irish as low IQ, violent,
alcoholic and child molesters were all from the UK.
> > 
> > You asked, and I gave you my experience. You selectively read it. Now, as it happens, I am not
anti- any group on a basis of national origin, culture, or religion. I have friends and co-workers
of a dozen different religions and national origins. What matters is how they behave, in particular
towards me. For a simple reason - my sample might not be big enough for a reasoned extrapolation,
and averages don't tell the full story.
 
> It is exceptionally difficult to have a discussion on this newsgroup.

No it’s not. See how easily I reply?

> I once tried not to let myself be drawn into the back-and-forth insults 
> that seem to be the mainstay of the group.

That’s because you can’t answer without showing what and who you are.
Remember, you still have those questions to answer and lists to reveal…

> What is more distressing is that social media of all sorts and even day 
> to day interactions with people face to face seem to be also infected 
> with whatever it is that has almost destroyed civil discussion on this 
> group.

Yea, failure to admit you’re wrong… You still a part of the shrinking 31%?


> Political discussions have taken on a religious fervor ... opinions are 
> based on doctrine.  Anyone who does not accept the Word are heretics and 
> should be shunned or worse ... destroyed ... figuratively or actually.
> 
> We are living in a new world.

No, just you. It why it’s, “exceptionally difficult” for you to respond…

Jerry (easy) ‘n Vegas 

	
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> It is exceptionally difficult to have a discussion on this newsgroup.  I 
> once tried not to let myself be drawn into the back-and-forth insults 
> that seem to be the mainstay of the group.  I often failed and I think I 
> am not longer to able to try very hard any more.  I am impressed that 
> you seem to be able to keep trying not to be lured into the swamp.

Not very observant 

	
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On 1/8/2018 5:49 AM, da pickle wrote:
> On 1/7/2018 7:28 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:27:46 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:42:35 AM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:47:06 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of 
>>>>>>>> the Irish from these experiences, what should it be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the 
>>>>>>> Irish" are low IQ violent drunks (or at least one of those 
>>>>>>> things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is most definitely not my opinion, nor what I said. However, 
>>>>>> it was the image portrayed about the Irish here.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Here" being America? Yet all of your anecdotes were from the UK?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, don't worry about it Tim, I'm used to anti-Irish prejudice, 
>>>>> and I don't whine about it either, it's not like I'm a Muslim.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, I've detected a degree of anti-Irish bigotry from all of 
>>>>> the English posters (that I'm aware of) who have posted on RGP (you 
>>>>> may not be sending your best).
>>>>
>>>> My anecdotes were not all from the UK. I moved here after my 
>>>> undergraduate degree.
>>>
>>> Oh there's more? From America? Well feel free....
>>>
>>> So far I only noticed that your anecdotes in which you painted the 
>>> Irish as low IQ, violent, alcoholic and child molesters were all from 
>>> the UK.
>>
>> You asked, and I gave you my experience. You selectively read it. Now, 
>> as it happens, I am not anti- any group on a basis of national origin, 
>> culture, or religion. I have friends and co-workers of a dozen 
>> different religions and national origins. What matters is how they 
>> behave, in particular towards me. For a simple reason - my sample 
>> might not be big enough for a reasoned extrapolation, and averages 
>> don't tell the full story.
> 
> It is exceptionally difficult to have a discussion on this newsgroup.  I 
> once tried not to let myself be drawn into the back-and-forth insults 
> that seem to be the mainstay of the group.  I often failed and I think I 
> am not longer to able to try very hard any more.  I am impressed that 
> you seem to be able to keep trying not to be lured into the swamp.
> 
> What is more distressing is that social media of all sorts and even day 
> to day interactions with people face to face seem to be also infected 
> with whatever it is that has almost destroyed civil discussion on this 
> group.
> 
> Political discussions have taken on a religious fervor ... opinions are 
> based on doctrine.  Anyone who does not accept the Word are heretics and 
> should be shunned or worse ... destroyed ... figuratively or actually.
> 
> We are living in a new world.

It's quite remarkable what is happening. When I listen to Trump and his 
supporters I just hear blatant lies. I suspect when you listen to his 
opponents you get the same impression. There used to be the truth, then 
each side tried to spin it to their own advantage. Now each side has a 
completely different version of the truth. 

	
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On 1/8/2018 8:59 PM, Dutch wrote:
> On 1/8/2018 5:49 AM, da pickle wrote:
>> On 1/7/2018 7:28 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:27:46 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:42:35 AM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:47:06 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all of 
>>>>>>>>> the Irish from these experiences, what should it be?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the 
>>>>>>>> Irish" are low IQ violent drunks (or at least one of those 
>>>>>>>> things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is most definitely not my opinion, nor what I said. 
>>>>>>> However, it was the image portrayed about the Irish here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Here" being America? Yet all of your anecdotes were from the UK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, don't worry about it Tim, I'm used to anti-Irish 
>>>>>> prejudice, and I don't whine about it either, it's not like I'm a 
>>>>>> Muslim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, I've detected a degree of anti-Irish bigotry from all of 
>>>>>> the English posters (that I'm aware of) who have posted on RGP 
>>>>>> (you may not be sending your best).
>>>>>
>>>>> My anecdotes were not all from the UK. I moved here after my 
>>>>> undergraduate degree.
>>>>
>>>> Oh there's more? From America? Well feel free....
>>>>
>>>> So far I only noticed that your anecdotes in which you painted the 
>>>> Irish as low IQ, violent, alcoholic and child molesters were all 
>>>> from the UK.
>>>
>>> You asked, and I gave you my experience. You selectively read it. 
>>> Now, as it happens, I am not anti- any group on a basis of national 
>>> origin, culture, or religion. I have friends and co-workers of a 
>>> dozen different religions and national origins. What matters is how 
>>> they behave, in particular towards me. For a simple reason - my 
>>> sample might not be big enough for a reasoned extrapolation, and 
>>> averages don't tell the full story.
>>
>> It is exceptionally difficult to have a discussion on this newsgroup.  
>> I once tried not to let myself be drawn into the back-and-forth 
>> insults that seem to be the mainstay of the group.  I often failed and 
>> I think I am not longer to able to try very hard any more.  I am 
>> impressed that you seem to be able to keep trying not to be lured into 
>> the swamp.
>>
>> What is more distressing is that social media of all sorts and even 
>> day to day interactions with people face to face seem to be also 
>> infected with whatever it is that has almost destroyed civil 
>> discussion on this group.
>>
>> Political discussions have taken on a religious fervor ... opinions 
>> are based on doctrine.  Anyone who does not accept the Word are 
>> heretics and should be shunned or worse ... destroyed ... figuratively 
>> or actually.
>>
>> We are living in a new world.
> 
> It's quite remarkable what is happening. When I listen to Trump and his 
> supporters I just hear blatant lies. I suspect when you listen to his 
> opponents you get the same impression. There used to be the truth, then 
> each side tried to spin it to their own advantage. Now each side has a 
> completely different version of the truth.

Sure.  One side has science and empirical data, the other doesn't.

Same exact thing. 

	
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On 1/8/2018 9:02 PM, Clave wrote:
> On 1/8/2018 8:59 PM, Dutch wrote:
>> On 1/8/2018 5:49 AM, da pickle wrote:
>>> On 1/7/2018 7:28 PM, Tim Norfolk wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:46:07 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:27:46 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 12:42:35 AM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:47:06 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 6:39:31 PM UTC-5, fffurken wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:16:58 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now for the question: If I were to form an opinion about all 
>>>>>>>>>> of the Irish from these experiences, what should it be?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What would it be called you mean? An opinion that "all of the 
>>>>>>>>> Irish" are low IQ violent drunks (or at least one of those 
>>>>>>>>> things) based on eh, anecdotal evidence. Ask the Canadian dhimmi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is most definitely not my opinion, nor what I said. 
>>>>>>>> However, it was the image portrayed about the Irish here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Here" being America? Yet all of your anecdotes were from the UK?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, don't worry about it Tim, I'm used to anti-Irish 
>>>>>>> prejudice, and I don't whine about it either, it's not like I'm a 
>>>>>>> Muslim.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact, I've detected a degree of anti-Irish bigotry from all of 
>>>>>>> the English posters (that I'm aware of) who have posted on RGP 
>>>>>>> (you may not be sending your best).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My anecdotes were not all from the UK. I moved here after my 
>>>>>> undergraduate degree.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh there's more? From America? Well feel free....
>>>>>
>>>>> So far I only noticed that your anecdotes in which you painted the 
>>>>> Irish as low IQ, violent, alcoholic and child molesters were all 
>>>>> from the UK.
>>>>
>>>> You asked, and I gave you my experience. You selectively read it. 
>>>> Now, as it happens, I am not anti- any group on a basis of national 
>>>> origin, culture, or religion. I have friends and co-workers of a 
>>>> dozen different religions and national origins. What matters is how 
>>>> they behave, in particular towards me. For a simple reason - my 
>>>> sample might not be big enough for a reasoned extrapolation, and 
>>>> averages don't tell the full story.
>>>
>>> It is exceptionally difficult to have a discussion on this newsgroup. 
>>> I once tried not to let myself be drawn into the back-and-forth 
>>> insults that seem to be the mainstay of the group.  I often failed 
>>> and I think I am not longer to able to try very hard any more.  I am 
>>> impressed that you seem to be able to keep trying not to be lured 
>>> into the swamp.
>>>
>>> What is more distressing is that social media of all sorts and even 
>>> day to day interactions with people face to face seem to be also 
>>> infected with whatever it is that has almost destroyed civil 
>>> discussion on this group.
>>>
>>> Political discussions have taken on a religious fervor ... opinions 
>>> are based on doctrine.  Anyone who does not accept the Word are 
>>> heretics and should be shunned or worse ... destroyed ... 
>>> figuratively or actually.
>>>
>>> We are living in a new world.
>>
>> It's quite remarkable what is happening. When I listen to Trump and 
>> his supporters I just hear blatant lies. I suspect when you listen to 
>> his opponents you get the same impression. There used to be the truth, 
>> then each side tried to spin it to their own advantage. Now each side 
>> has a completely different version of the truth.
> 
> Sure.  One side has science and empirical data

Also too, the law.


, the other doesn't.
> 
> Same exact thing. 

	
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On Monday, 8 January 2018 01:28:37 UTC, Tim Norfolk  wrote:

> You asked, and I gave you my experience. You selectively read it.

Riiight.

What did I ask you? I didn't ask you for crude stereotypes of Irish people.

As you expressed a belief in the hereditary link to race and IQ, and relating to immigration from
the third world, I asked you;

"Do you think importing millions of people from low IQ, low trust societies into high IQ, high trust
societies is a good idea?"

To which your answer was - "I don't know". You should have just left it at that. 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:29:24 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
> This is really going to bring back some memories for Travel:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbELDkElB40
> 
> That's what happens when you spot genius early enough! 

Actually, I think this performance demonstrates a lot more intelligence and maturity. There is much
more nuance in this piece, and YoYo nails it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPtDTRxw_94 

	
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Subject: Re: Childhood genius looks something like this....
From: risky biz <swingtrader@gmail.com>
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 4:42:44 PM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:29:24 AM UTC-8, BillB wrote:
> > This is really going to bring back some memories for Travel:
> > 
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbELDkElB40
> > 
> > That's what happens when you spot genius early enough! 
> 
> Actually, I think this performance demonstrates a lot more intelligence and maturity. There is
much more nuance in this piece, and YoYo nails it:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPtDTRxw_94

Stop it. 'furkedon' is has a hard on already. You can guess what he's doing right now.