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From: Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com>
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No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!

Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian 
bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?

Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk 
about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.

Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!! 

	
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On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
> 
> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian 
> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
> 
> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk 
> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
> 
> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!

We're waiting for you to explode. It worked (chortle). 

	
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From: bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
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Subject: Re: Where Are All Our Wingnuts?
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Travel<travel9599@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
>> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
>> 
>> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian 
>> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
>> 
>> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk 
>> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
>> 
>> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
>
>We're waiting for you to explode. It worked (chortle).

Something like this?
<https://cmgajcluckovich.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/lk020218_color.j...

    --bks 

	
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From: Clave <ChrisClavius@TheMonastery.com>
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On 2/2/2018 6:52 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> Travel<travel9599@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
>>> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
>>>
>>> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian
>>> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
>>>
>>> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk
>>> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
>>>
>>> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
>>
>> We're waiting for you to explode. It worked (chortle).
> 
> Something like this?
> <https://cmgajcluckovich.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/lk020218_color.j...

Or like this?

https://twitter.com/BershodM/status/959487476241977344/photo/1 

	
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On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 6:59:48 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> On 2/2/2018 6:52 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> > Travel<travel9599@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> >>> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
> >>>
> >>> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian
> >>> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
> >>>
> >>> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk
> >>> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
> >>>
> >>> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
> >>
> >> We're waiting for you to explode. It worked (chortle).
> > 
> > Something like this?
> > <https://cmgajcluckovich.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/lk020218_color.j...
> 
> Or like this?
> 
> https://twitter.com/BershodM/status/959487476241977344/photo/1

LOL. F-I-Z-Z-L-E. 

	
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On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 1:23:59 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 6:59:48 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> > On 2/2/2018 6:52 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> > > Travel<travel9599@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > >>> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
> > >>>
> > >>> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian
> > >>> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
> > >>>
> > >>> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk
> > >>> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
> > >>>
> > >>> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
> > >>
> > >> We're waiting for you to explode. It worked (chortle).
> > > 
> > > Something like this?
> > > <https://cmgajcluckovich.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/lk020218_color.j...
> > 
> > Or like this?
> > 
> > https://twitter.com/BershodM/status/959487476241977344/photo/1
> 
> LOL. F-I-Z-Z-L-E.


LOl, proof that Obama/BFP was using the FBI and the courts to try to "dig up dirt" on an election
opponent is a fizzle? That the collusion was among Democrats, not Republicans is a fizzle? 

That's fine, watching fits of denial is fun.

Also, only you have fizzles, and they occur every day, every hour Trump remains President. The
burden of fizzle is on you, dumbass. 

	
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On 2/5/2018 2:56 PM, Travel wrote:
> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 1:23:59 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
>> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 6:59:48 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2018 6:52 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>>> Travel<travel9599@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
>>>>>> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian
>>>>>> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk
>>>>>> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> We're waiting for you to explode. It worked (chortle).
>>>>
>>>> Something like this?
>>>> <https://cmgajcluckovich.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/lk020218_color.j...
>>>
>>> Or like this?
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/BershodM/status/959487476241977344/photo/1
>>
>> LOL. F-I-Z-Z-L-E.
> 
> 
> LOl, proof that Obama/BFP was using the FBI and the courts to try to "dig up dirt" on an election
opponent is a fizzle? That the collusion was among Democrats, not Republicans is a fizzle?

No, that's just an outright lie.

But we all understand how alien and scary objective reality is to you 
trumpswabs, so you really aren't saying anything unexpected or new. 

	
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On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 2:56:23 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 1:23:59 PM UTC-5, risky biz wrote:
> > On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 6:59:48 PM UTC-8, Clave wrote:
> > > On 2/2/2018 6:52 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> > > > Travel<travel9599@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > > >>> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian
> > > >>> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk
> > > >>> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
> > > >>
> > > >> We're waiting for you to explode. It worked (chortle).
> > > > 
> > > > Something like this?
> > > > <https://cmgajcluckovich.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/lk020218_color.j...
> > > 
> > > Or like this?
> > > 
> > > https://twitter.com/BershodM/status/959487476241977344/photo/1
> > 
> > LOL. F-I-Z-Z-L-E.
> 
> 
> LOl, proof that Obama/BFP was using the FBI and the courts to try to "dig up dirt" on an election
opponent is a fizzle? That the collusion was among Democrats, not Republicans is a fizzle? 

Will 'travel' ever learn that he can't erase reality by mouthing stupid shit? SAD.

> That's fine, watching fits of denial is fun.
> 
> Also, only you have fizzles, and they occur every day, every hour Trump remains President. The
burden of fizzle is on you, dumbass. 

	
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On 2/2/2018 6:46 PM, Travel wrote:
> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
>> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
>>
>> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian
>> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
>>
>> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk
>> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
>>
>> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
> 
> We're waiting for you to explode. It worked...

Why yes, I'm exploding...LOLing myself to the point where Mrs. Clave 
asks me "good lord, what in the world is so funny?"

So you're abandoning Nunes, Ryan, and T-Rump.

I'd say that was wise, but with you I'm pretty sure it's just cowardice 
again.  You know by now what that memo was and wasn't, and you, along 
with a whole lot of Republicans, are scrambling like hell to put as much 
distance as possible between it and your own sorry, cowardly asses.

(BOOM!!! -- That's me all asplodey again!!!  BOOM!!!)

LOFL -- what a fucking dunce. 

	
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On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:56:26 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> On 2/2/2018 6:46 PM, Travel wrote:
> > On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> >> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
> >>
> >> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian
> >> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
> >>
> >> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk
> >> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
> >>
> >> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
> > 
> > We're waiting for you to explode. It worked...
> 
> Why yes, I'm exploding...LOLing myself to the point where Mrs. Clave 
> asks me "good lord, what in the world is so funny?"
> 
> So you're abandoning Nunes, Ryan, and T-Rump.
> 
> I'd say that was wise, but with you I'm pretty sure it's just cowardice 
> again.  You know by now what that memo was and wasn't, and you, along 
> with a whole lot of Republicans, are scrambling like hell to put as much 
> distance as possible between it and your own sorry, cowardly asses.
> 
> (BOOM!!! -- That's me all asplodey again!!!  BOOM!!!)
> 
> LOFL -- what a fucking

Lol, you're caught so bad it's a dream come true. When the enemy is hanging itself, don't interfere.

The only "wait" aspect is with regard to progress toward grand jury, which means getting Sessions on
down to Wray out of office first. That has to hold-off until Mueller barffs-up the Grand Fizzle.

It's incredible how well Trump is doing with literally every facet of this wildly, corrupt
government against him. 

Is he winning? Major chortle: note how many leadership-type RINOs are slinking out of Washington,
and Mitch n' Ryan are licking his boots now.

Rasmussen Friday: Trump 49%. He'd probably win an additional Minnesota, Virginia and New Hampshire
(definitely) if the election was held today. 

Meanwhile, all that could possibly be thrown at him having already been thrown. You and the
obnoxious "resistance" are obviously told by this that you have zero credibility. Just like with
Sarah Palin or Ronald Reagan, Trump's numbers go up with the intensity level of the bogus
"never-Trump" noise/fizzle-machine. 

	
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On 2/5/2018 3:31 PM, Travel wrote:
> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:56:26 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
>> On 2/2/2018 6:46 PM, Travel wrote:
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
>>>> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
>>>>
>>>> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian
>>>> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
>>>>
>>>> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk
>>>> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
>>>>
>>>> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
>>>
>>> We're waiting for you to explode. It worked...
>>
>> Why yes, I'm exploding...LOLing myself to the point where Mrs. Clave
>> asks me "good lord, what in the world is so funny?"
>>
>> So you're abandoning Nunes, Ryan, and T-Rump.
>>
>> I'd say that was wise, but with you I'm pretty sure it's just cowardice
>> again.  You know by now what that memo was and wasn't, and you, along
>> with a whole lot of Republicans, are scrambling like hell to put as much
>> distance as possible between it and your own sorry, cowardly asses.
>>
>> (BOOM!!! -- That's me all asplodey again!!!  BOOM!!!)
>>
>> LOFL -- what a fucking
> 
> Lol, you're caught so bad...

For you to be lying about stupid shit like this, you must be in 
full-goose-bozo panic mode.

What's got ya so nervous, scaredy-cat? 

	
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On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 3:31:26 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:56:26 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > On 2/2/2018 6:46 PM, Travel wrote:
> > > On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > >> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
> > >>
> > >> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian
> > >> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
> > >>
> > >> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk
> > >> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
> > >>
> > >> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
> > > 
> > > We're waiting for you to explode. It worked...
> > 
> > Why yes, I'm exploding...LOLing myself to the point where Mrs. Clave 
> > asks me "good lord, what in the world is so funny?"
> > 
> > So you're abandoning Nunes, Ryan, and T-Rump.
> > 
> > I'd say that was wise, but with you I'm pretty sure it's just cowardice 
> > again.  You know by now what that memo was and wasn't, and you, along 
> > with a whole lot of Republicans, are scrambling like hell to put as much 
> > distance as possible between it and your own sorry, cowardly asses.
> > 
> > (BOOM!!! -- That's me all asplodey again!!!  BOOM!!!)
> > 
> > LOFL -- what a fucking
> 
> Lol, you're caught so bad it's a dream come true. When the enemy is hanging itself, don't
interfere.
> 
> The only "wait" aspect is with regard to progress toward grand jury, which means getting Sessions
on down to Wray out of office first. That has to hold-off until Mueller barffs-up the Grand Fizzle.
> 
> It's incredible how well Trump is doing with literally every facet of this wildly, corrupt
government against him. 
> 
> Is he winning? Major chortle: note how many leadership-type RINOs are slinking out of Washington,
and Mitch n' Ryan are licking his boots now.
> 
> Rasmussen Friday: Trump 49%. He'd probably win an additional Minnesota, Virginia and New Hampshire
(definitely) if the election was held today. 
> 
> Meanwhile, all that could possibly be thrown at him having already been thrown. You and the
obnoxious "resistance" are obviously told by this that you have zero credibility. Just like with
Sarah Palin or Ronald Reagan, Trump's numbers go up with the intensity level of the bogus
"never-Trump" noise/fizzle-machine.

Don't dry clean your blue dress, 'travel'. 

	
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> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:56:26 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > On 2/2/2018 6:46 PM, Travel wrote:
> > > On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > >> No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
> > >>
> > >> Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian
> > >> bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
> > >>
> > >> Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk
> > >> about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
> > >>
> > >> Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
> > > 
> > > We're waiting for you to explode. It worked...
> > 
> > Why yes, I'm exploding...LOLing myself to the point where Mrs. Clave 
> > asks me "good lord, what in the world is so funny?"
> > 
> > So you're abandoning Nunes, Ryan, and T-Rump.
> > 
> > I'd say that was wise, but with you I'm pretty sure it's just cowardice 
> > again.  You know by now what that memo was and wasn't, and you, along 
> > with a whole lot of Republicans, are scrambling like hell to put as much 
> > distance as possible between it and your own sorry, cowardly asses.
> > 
> > (BOOM!!! -- That's me all asplodey again!!!  BOOM!!!)
> > 
> > LOFL -- what a fucking
> 
> Lol, you're caught so bad it's a dream come true. When the enemy is hanging itself, don't
interfere.
> 
> The only "wait" aspect is with regard to progress toward grand jury, which means getting Sessions
on down to Wray out of office first. That has to hold-off until Mueller barffs-up the Grand Fizzle.
> 
> It's incredible how well Trump is doing with literally every facet of this wildly, corrupt
government against him. 

You were asked to list them. What happened? You ran again?
Embarrassed much?

Jerry (lolling @you) 'n Vegas 

	
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On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 6:46:15 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> On Friday, February 2, 2018 at 9:39:44 PM UTC-5, Clave wrote:
> > No one seems to want to wave the Nunes memo around like a Bible!
> > 
> > Who was the raging dipshit around here that was trumpeting the Russian 
> > bot meme "ReleaseTheMemo"?
> > 
> > Everyone's gone all quiet -- even Travel can only bring himself to talk 
> > about long-discredited Hillary witch hunts.
> > 
> > Looks like no one is telling them what to think!!!
 
> We're waiting for you to explode. It worked (chortle).

Knew you'd run. "It worked (chortle)."
Fucking coward.

The FISA warrant for Carter Page was based on the Steel Dossier? HELLO? Bullshit. The last paragraph
of the secret memo says: “The Papadopoulos information trigger the opening of the FBI
counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016.” Why do you suppose it was the last paragraph? 

	
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It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from 
or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the 
information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The 
memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care 
about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do 
is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their 
supporters will array behind them.

I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice 
Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go 
down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a 
possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has 
done nothing wrong and lets the investigation play out.

The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the 
Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the 
Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In 
2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.

There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never 
seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch. 

	
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>
>It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from 
>or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the 
>information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The 
>memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care 
>about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do 
>is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their 
>supporters will array behind them.
>
>I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice 
>Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go 
>down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a 
>possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has 
>done nothing wrong

Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed. 

> and lets the investigation play out.
>
>The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the 
>Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the 
>Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In 
>2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
>
>There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never 
>seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.

All reasonable Americans are praying for those fireworks, as long as
they are non-partisan fireworks. You don't seem to understand that. We
do need a purge, and another thing you don't understand is that Trump
could represent that purge. Why do you think so many politicians from
*both* parties hate him? 

	
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> 
>>
>> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
>> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
>> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
>> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
>> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
>> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
>> supporters will array behind them.
>>
>> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
>> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
>> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
>> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
>> done nothing wrong
> 
> Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
> wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
> Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed.

Collusion with Russian operatives to release illegally obtained 
information against his political opponents followed by a daily stream 
of actions, lies and naive admissions of guilt surrounding his attempts 
to obstruct the investigation into those crimes.

>> and lets the investigation play out.
>>
>> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the
>> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the
>> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In
>> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
>>
>> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never
>> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
> 
> All reasonable Americans are praying for those fireworks, as long as
> they are non-partisan fireworks.

There is no American more non-partisan than Mueller. But the fireworks I 
do not believe will come from him because Trump is going to get rid of 
him. Like a cornered rat he is going to lash out, he doesn't have much 
choice.

  You don't seem to understand that. We
> do need a purge, and another thing you don't understand is that Trump
> could represent that purge. Why do you think so many politicians from
> *both* parties hate him?

If there were actually enough patriots in the US Congress willing to 
admit what is happening Trump would already be facing impeachment. 

	
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>On 2/3/2018 4:41 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:22:50 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
>>> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
>>> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
>>> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
>>> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
>>> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
>>> supporters will array behind them.
>>>
>>> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
>>> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
>>> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
>>> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
>>> done nothing wrong
>> 
>> Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
>> wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
>> Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed.
>
>Collusion with Russian operatives to release illegally obtained 
>information against his political opponents followed by a daily stream 
>of actions, lies and naive admissions of guilt surrounding his attempts 
>to obstruct the investigation into those crimes.

What then is collusion with Russian operatives and corrupted FBI
figures to release false info about Trump during an election? And is
collusion a crime? You could check with your lawyer buddy. 

>>> and lets the investigation play out.
>>>
>>> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the
>>> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the
>>> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In
>>> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
>>>
>>> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never
>>> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
>> 
>> All reasonable Americans are praying for those fireworks, as long as
>> they are non-partisan fireworks.
>
>There is no American more non-partisan than Mueller

There is no word more apt for you than "naive". 

>. But the fireworks I 
>do not believe will come from him because Trump is going to get rid of 
>him. Like a cornered rat he is going to lash out, he doesn't have much 
>choice.

Mueller should be fired. There is not a non-partisan human left in
this country, and Mueller is far from it. Trump is not cornered. There
is nothing on him, except in the fevered imagination of CNN. 

>  You don't seem to understand that. We
>> do need a purge, and another thing you don't understand is that Trump
>> could represent that purge. Why do you think so many politicians from
>> *both* parties hate him?
>
>If there were actually enough patriots in the US Congress willing to 
>admit what is happening Trump would already be facing impeachment.

Would Hillary be facing indictment? Lois Lerner? Any Dems at all? 

	
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> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 17:11:10 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/3/2018 4:41 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:22:50 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
>>>> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
>>>> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
>>>> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
>>>> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
>>>> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
>>>> supporters will array behind them.
>>>>
>>>> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
>>>> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
>>>> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
>>>> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
>>>> done nothing wrong
>>>
>>> Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
>>> wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
>>> Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed.
>>
>> Collusion with Russian operatives to release illegally obtained
>> information against his political opponents followed by a daily stream
>> of actions, lies and naive admissions of guilt surrounding his attempts
>> to obstruct the investigation into those crimes.
> 
> What then is collusion with Russian operatives and corrupted FBI
> figures to release false info about Trump during an election? And is
> collusion a crime? You could check with your lawyer buddy.

You're a hopeless dupe.

> 
>>>> and lets the investigation play out.
>>>>
>>>> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the
>>>> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the
>>>> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In
>>>> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
>>>>
>>>> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never
>>>> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
>>>
>>> All reasonable Americans are praying for those fireworks, as long as
>>> they are non-partisan fireworks.
>>
>> There is no American more non-partisan than Mueller
> 
> There is no word more apt for you than "naive".

 From all reports he is a highly respected Republican straight arrow. 
That is, until he started getting close to Trump..

I recall you having a shred of a conscience at one point. What happened 
to you? Whatever it is, it is apparently the same disease that the 
Congressional Republicans have contracted.

> 
>> . But the fireworks I
>> do not believe will come from him because Trump is going to get rid of
>> him. Like a cornered rat he is going to lash out, he doesn't have much
>> choice.
> 
> Mueller should be fired. There is not a non-partisan human left in
> this country, and Mueller is far from it. Trump is not cornered. There
> is nothing on him, except in the fevered imagination of CNN.

You are delusional. At least Trump appears to have the awareness to 
realize the situation he is in. That is exactly why this laughable 
diversion was thrown up. He has manufactured cover for any future 
obstructions of this process. And they are sure to continue.

> 
>>   You don't seem to understand that. We
>>> do need a purge, and another thing you don't understand is that Trump
>>> could represent that purge. Why do you think so many politicians from
>>> *both* parties hate him?
>>
>> If there were actually enough patriots in the US Congress willing to
>> admit what is happening Trump would already be facing impeachment.
> 
> Would Hillary be facing indictment? Lois Lerner? Any Dems at all?

What an idiot. Private citizen Hillary Clinton and whatever legal 
problems she may face should be absolutely of no interest to anyone. It 
certainly has nothing to do with the collusion by the Trump Crime Family 
that is sitting in plain sight of anyone who cares to see it.

And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is not a 
crime. 

	
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> On 2/3/2018 5:55 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 17:11:10 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/3/2018 4:41 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:22:50 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes 
>>>>> from
>>>>> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
>>>>> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
>>>>> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really 
>>>>> care
>>>>> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
>>>>> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
>>>>> supporters will array behind them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and 
>>>>> Justice
>>>>> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
>>>>> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this 
>>>>> is a
>>>>> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he 
>>>>> has
>>>>> done nothing wrong
>>>>
>>>> Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
>>>> wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
>>>> Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed.
>>>
>>> Collusion with Russian operatives to release illegally obtained
>>> information against his political opponents followed by a daily stream
>>> of actions, lies and naive admissions of guilt surrounding his attempts
>>> to obstruct the investigation into those crimes.
>>
>> What then is collusion with Russian operatives and corrupted FBI
>> figures to release false info about Trump during an election? And is
>> collusion a crime? You could check with your lawyer buddy.
> 
> You're a hopeless dupe.
> 
>>
>>>>> and lets the investigation play out.
>>>>>
>>>>> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the
>>>>> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the
>>>>> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone 
>>>>> now. In
>>>>> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has 
>>>>> never
>>>>> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to 
>>>>> watch.
>>>>
>>>> All reasonable Americans are praying for those fireworks, as long as
>>>> they are non-partisan fireworks.
>>>
>>> There is no American more non-partisan than Mueller
>>
>> There is no word more apt for you than "naive".
> 
>  From all reports he is a highly respected Republican straight arrow. 
> That is, until he started getting close to Trump..
> 
> I recall you having a shred of a conscience at one point. What happened 
> to you? Whatever it is, it is apparently the same disease that the 
> Congressional Republicans have contracted.
> 
>>
>>> . But the fireworks I
>>> do not believe will come from him because Trump is going to get rid of
>>> him. Like a cornered rat he is going to lash out, he doesn't have much
>>> choice.
>>
>> Mueller should be fired. There is not a non-partisan human left in
>> this country, and Mueller is far from it. Trump is not cornered. There
>> is nothing on him, except in the fevered imagination of CNN.
> 
> You are delusional. At least Trump appears to have the awareness to 
> realize the situation he is in. That is exactly why this laughable 
> diversion was thrown up. He has manufactured cover for any future 
> obstructions of this process. And they are sure to continue.
> 
>>
>>>   You don't seem to understand that. We
>>>> do need a purge, and another thing you don't understand is that Trump
>>>> could represent that purge. Why do you think so many politicians from
>>>> *both* parties hate him?
>>>
>>> If there were actually enough patriots in the US Congress willing to
>>> admit what is happening Trump would already be facing impeachment.
>>
>> Would Hillary be facing indictment? Lois Lerner? Any Dems at all?
> 
> What an idiot. Private citizen Hillary Clinton and whatever legal 
> problems she may face should be absolutely of no interest to anyone. It 
> certainly has nothing to do with the collusion by the Trump Crime Family 
> that is sitting in plain sight of anyone who cares to see it.
> 
> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is not a 
> crime.

The obstruction *IS* the collusion. 

	
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>> crime.
> 
> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.

I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
*illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for the 
release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about Clinton, then 
subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of ways, worked to 
*illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. There appears to me to 
be separate and independent sets of crimes. 

	
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>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is not 
>>> a crime.
>>
>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
> 
> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for the 
> release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about Clinton, then 
> subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of ways, worked to 
> *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. There appears to me to 
> be separate and independent sets of crimes.

There is no such crime as "collusion."

There currently exists no (public) proof of the quid pro quo you allege 
regarding sanctions.  Correlation is not proof of causation, although 
there are hot bullet shells all over the floor.

What we *DO* know is that obstruction of justice has happened, and is 
still happening.  The T-Rump campaign, transition and administration 
have all been complicit, and now the majority of the GOP is as well.

That much is beyond rational debate.

Russia helped put this clown in office, and obstructing the 
investigation and prosecution of that, all by itself given the magnitude 
it now possesses, is enough quid pro quo to satisfy not only any 
reasonable definition of "collusion", but should be enough to satisfy 
any reasonable juror of "obstruction of justice."

"Treason" comes later. 

	
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> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is not 
>>>> a crime.
>>>
>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>
>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for the 
>> release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about Clinton, 
>> then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of ways, worked to 
>> *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. There appears to me to 
>> be separate and independent sets of crimes.
> 
> There is no such crime as "collusion."

I know, I didn't call it a crime.
> 
> There currently exists no (public) proof of the quid pro quo you allege 
> regarding sanctions.  Correlation is not proof of causation, although 
> there are hot bullet shells all over the floor.

afaik Flynn admitted it. It also appears that he is admitting that he 
cleared it with the Whitehouse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBXk-Ybe09U
It all tracked with weird mutual conciliatory 'wink-wink' public 
statements by Putin and Trump.

> 
> What we *DO* know is that obstruction of justice has happened, and is 
> still happening.  The T-Rump campaign, transition and administration 
> have all been complicit, and now the majority of the GOP is as well.
> 
> That much is beyond rational debate.
> 
> Russia helped put this clown in office, and obstructing the 
> investigation and prosecution of that, all by itself given the magnitude 
> it now possesses, is enough quid pro quo to satisfy not only any 
> reasonable definition of "collusion", but should be enough to satisfy 
> any reasonable juror of "obstruction of justice."
> 
> "Treason" comes later.
> 

	
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> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is 
>>>>> not a crime.
>>>>
>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>>
>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for the 
>>> release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about Clinton, 
>>> then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of ways, worked 
>>> to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. There appears to 
>>> me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
>>
>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
> 
> I know, I didn't call it a crime.

What does "illegally" mean to you then?


>> There currently exists no (public) proof of the quid pro quo you 
>> allege regarding sanctions.  Correlation is not proof of causation, 
>> although there are hot bullet shells all over the floor.
> 
> afaik Flynn admitted it. It also appears that he is admitting that he 
> cleared it with the Whitehouse.

"AFAIK" is not proof in any legal sense, and there are no such public 
admissions.  Yet. 

	
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> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is 
>>>>>> not a crime.
>>>>>
>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>>>
>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for the 
>>>> release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about Clinton, 
>>>> then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of ways, worked 
>>>> to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. There appears to 
>>>> me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
>>>
>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
>>
>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
> 
> What does "illegally" mean to you then?

The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but how 
they did it. They promised to lift sanctions before Trump was president 
and accepted help in the form of illegally obtained information.

>>> There currently exists no (public) proof of the quid pro quo you 
>>> allege regarding sanctions.  Correlation is not proof of causation, 
>>> although there are hot bullet shells all over the floor.
>>
>> afaik Flynn admitted it. It also appears that he is admitting that he 
>> cleared it with the Whitehouse.
> 
> "AFAIK" is not proof in any legal sense, and there are no such public 
> admissions.  Yet.

That Fox report appears to suggest that Flynn has already copped to 
promising sanction relief with the approval of the Whitehouse. 

	
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> On 2/3/2018 11:53 PM, Clave wrote:
>> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is 
>>>>>>> not a crime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
>>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for 
>>>>> the release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about 
>>>>> Clinton, then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of 
>>>>> ways, worked to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. 
>>>>> There appears to me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
>>>>
>>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
>>>
>>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
>>
>> What does "illegally" mean to you then?
> 
> The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but how 
> they did it.

*boggle* 

	
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> On 2/4/2018 12:08 AM, Dutch wrote:
>> On 2/3/2018 11:53 PM, Clave wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is 
>>>>>>>> not a crime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
>>>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for 
>>>>>> the release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about 
>>>>>> Clinton, then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of 
>>>>>> ways, worked to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. 
>>>>>> There appears to me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
>>>>
>>>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
>>>
>>> What does "illegally" mean to you then?
>>
>> The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but how 
>> they did it.
> 
> *boggle*
> 

It's not complicated. It's not illegal to collude to obtain information 
on your opponent. If however you collude to get information that you 
know was obtained as the result of a crime that makes you an accessory 
to that crime. And, if in the process of colluding you make an illegal 
promise then you are committing a crime. 

	
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> On 2/4/2018 12:27 AM, Clave wrote:
>> On 2/4/2018 12:08 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2018 11:53 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself 
>>>>>>>>> is not a crime.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
>>>>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for 
>>>>>>> the release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about 
>>>>>>> Clinton, then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of 
>>>>>>> ways, worked to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. 
>>>>>>> There appears to me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
>>>>>
>>>>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
>>>>
>>>> What does "illegally" mean to you then?
>>>
>>> The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but how 
>>> they did it.
>>
>> *boggle*
>>
> 
> It's not complicated. It's not illegal to collude to obtain information 
> on your opponent. If however you collude to get information that you 
> know was obtained as the result of a crime that makes you an accessory 
> to that crime. And, if in the process of colluding you make an illegal 
> promise then you are committing a crime.

Goshthanks, I didn't know any of that obvious stuff.

Even though I said as much myself a post or two ago.

We're done here.  Again. 

	
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> On 2/4/2018 12:58 AM, Dutch wrote:
>> On 2/4/2018 12:27 AM, Clave wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2018 12:08 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:53 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself 
>>>>>>>>>> is not a crime.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
>>>>>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for 
>>>>>>>> the release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about 
>>>>>>>> Clinton, then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of 
>>>>>>>> ways, worked to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. 
>>>>>>>> There appears to me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does "illegally" mean to you then?
>>>>
>>>> The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but how 
>>>> they did it.
>>>
>>> *boggle*
>>>
>>
>> It's not complicated. It's not illegal to collude to obtain 
>> information on your opponent. If however you collude to get 
>> information that you know was obtained as the result of a crime that 
>> makes you an accessory to that crime. And, if in the process of 
>> colluding you make an illegal promise then you are committing a crime.
> 
> Goshthanks, I didn't know any of that obvious stuff.
> 
> Even though I said as much myself a post or two ago.

Your comment was "The obstruction *IS* the collusion.", which is wrong, 
unless you mean to say that through their collusion they obstructed a 
fair election.

Crimes were committed while the Trump team was colluding with the 
Russians, these were not obstruction. Then obstruction of justice crimes 
were committed afterwards during the investigation. Those crimes do not 
prove the earlier crimes.

> We're done here.  Again.

Fine by me. 

	
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> On 2/4/2018 1:03 AM, Clave wrote:
>> On 2/4/2018 12:58 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2018 12:27 AM, Clave wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2018 12:08 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:53 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself 
>>>>>>>>>>> is not a crime.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
>>>>>>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange 
>>>>>>>>> for the release of *illegally obtained* damaging information 
>>>>>>>>> about Clinton, then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a 
>>>>>>>>> variety of ways, worked to *illegally* obstruct the 
>>>>>>>>> investigation into it. There appears to me to be separate and 
>>>>>>>>> independent sets of crimes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What does "illegally" mean to you then?
>>>>>
>>>>> The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but 
>>>>> how they did it.
>>>>
>>>> *boggle*
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's not complicated. It's not illegal to collude to obtain 
>>> information on your opponent. If however you collude to get 
>>> information that you know was obtained as the result of a crime that 
>>> makes you an accessory to that crime. And, if in the process of 
>>> colluding you make an illegal promise then you are committing a crime.
>>
>> Goshthanks, I didn't know any of that obvious stuff.
>>
>> Even though I said as much myself a post or two ago.
> 
> Your comment was "The obstruction *IS* the collusion.", which is wrong, 
> unless you mean to say that through their collusion they obstructed a 
> fair election.

Go to bed. 

	
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> On 2/4/2018 1:03 AM, Clave wrote:
> > On 2/4/2018 12:58 AM, Dutch wrote:
> >> On 2/4/2018 12:27 AM, Clave wrote:
> >>> On 2/4/2018 12:08 AM, Dutch wrote:
> >>>> On 2/3/2018 11:53 PM, Clave wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself 
> >>>>>>>>>> is not a crime.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e. 
> >>>>>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for 
> >>>>>>>> the release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about 
> >>>>>>>> Clinton, then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of 
> >>>>>>>> ways, worked to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it. 
> >>>>>>>> There appears to me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What does "illegally" mean to you then?
> >>>>
> >>>> The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but how 
> >>>> they did it.
> >>>
> >>> *boggle*
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's not complicated. It's not illegal to collude to obtain 
> >> information on your opponent. If however you collude to get 
> >> information that you know was obtained as the result of a crime that 
> >> makes you an accessory to that crime. And, if in the process of 
> >> colluding you make an illegal promise then you are committing a crime.
> > 
> > Goshthanks, I didn't know any of that obvious stuff.
> > 
> > Even though I said as much myself a post or two ago.
> 
> Your comment was "The obstruction *IS* the collusion.", which is wrong, 
> unless you mean to say that through their collusion they obstructed a 
> fair election.
> 
> Crimes were committed while the Trump team was colluding with the 
> Russians, these were not obstruction. Then obstruction of justice crimes 
> were committed afterwards during the investigation. Those crimes do not 
> prove the earlier crimes.
> 
> > We're done here.  Again.
> 
> Fine by me.



February 3rd, you've made 73 posts already, blabbermouth.  445 in January.  Everyone works you like
a piece of clay.  Posters to the Left of you, posters to the Right, they all play you like a fiddle. 

	
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> On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 1:34:06 AM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>> On 2/4/2018 1:03 AM, Clave wrote:
>>> On 2/4/2018 12:58 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>>> On 2/4/2018 12:27 AM, Clave wrote:
>>>>> On 2/4/2018 12:08 AM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:53 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 11:32 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 10:00 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 9:19 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/3/2018 7:50 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself
>>>>>>>>>>>> is not a crime.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The obstruction *IS* the collusion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't follow. The Trump campaign colluded with Russia, i.e.
>>>>>>>>>> *illegally* exchanged promises to drop sanctions in exchange for
>>>>>>>>>> the release of *illegally obtained* damaging information about
>>>>>>>>>> Clinton, then subsequently the Trumpsters have, in a variety of
>>>>>>>>>> ways, worked to *illegally* obstruct the investigation into it.
>>>>>>>>>> There appears to me to be separate and independent sets of crimes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no such crime as "collusion."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know, I didn't call it a crime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What does "illegally" mean to you then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The illegality is not simply colluding with a foreign power, but how
>>>>>> they did it.
>>>>>
>>>>> *boggle*
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not complicated. It's not illegal to collude to obtain
>>>> information on your opponent. If however you collude to get
>>>> information that you know was obtained as the result of a crime that
>>>> makes you an accessory to that crime. And, if in the process of
>>>> colluding you make an illegal promise then you are committing a crime.
>>>
>>> Goshthanks, I didn't know any of that obvious stuff.
>>>
>>> Even though I said as much myself a post or two ago.
>>
>> Your comment was "The obstruction *IS* the collusion.", which is wrong,
>> unless you mean to say that through their collusion they obstructed a
>> fair election.
>>
>> Crimes were committed while the Trump team was colluding with the
>> Russians, these were not obstruction. Then obstruction of justice crimes
>> were committed afterwards during the investigation. Those crimes do not
>> prove the earlier crimes.
>>
>>> We're done here.  Again.
>>
>> Fine by me.
> 
> 
> 
> February 3rd, you've made 73 posts already, blabbermouth.  445 in January.  Everyone works you
like a piece of clay.  Posters to the Left of you, posters to the Right, they all play you like a
fiddle.
> 

Yeah, a Stradavarius. 

	
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> 
> Yeah, a Stradavarius.



spelling flame 

	
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>On 2/3/2018 5:55 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 17:11:10 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2/3/2018 4:41 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:22:50 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
>>>>> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
>>>>> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
>>>>> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
>>>>> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
>>>>> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
>>>>> supporters will array behind them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
>>>>> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
>>>>> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
>>>>> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
>>>>> done nothing wrong
>>>>
>>>> Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
>>>> wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
>>>> Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed.
>>>
>>> Collusion with Russian operatives to release illegally obtained
>>> information against his political opponents followed by a daily stream
>>> of actions, lies and naive admissions of guilt surrounding his attempts
>>> to obstruct the investigation into those crimes.
>> 
>> What then is collusion with Russian operatives and corrupted FBI
>> figures to release false info about Trump during an election? And is
>> collusion a crime? You could check with your lawyer buddy.
>
>You're a hopeless dupe.

That is straight out of BillB's playbook. "No, *you* are!"

>>>>> and lets the investigation play out.
>>>>>
>>>>> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the
>>>>> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the
>>>>> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In
>>>>> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never
>>>>> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
>>>>
>>>> All reasonable Americans are praying for those fireworks, as long as
>>>> they are non-partisan fireworks.
>>>
>>> There is no American more non-partisan than Mueller
>> 
>> There is no word more apt for you than "naive".
>
> From all reports he is a highly respected Republican straight arrow. 
>That is, until he started getting close to Trump..

*All* reports then. Okay.

>I recall you having a shred of a conscience at one point. What happened 
>to you? Whatever it is, it is apparently the same disease that the 
>Congressional Republicans have contracted.

Sheesh. Did I do something wrong, too?

>>> . But the fireworks I
>>> do not believe will come from him because Trump is going to get rid of
>>> him. Like a cornered rat he is going to lash out, he doesn't have much
>>> choice.
>> 
>> Mueller should be fired. There is not a non-partisan human left in
>> this country, and Mueller is far from it. Trump is not cornered. There
>> is nothing on him, except in the fevered imagination of CNN.
>
>You are delusional. At least Trump appears to have the awareness to 
>realize the situation he is in. That is exactly why this laughable 
>diversion was thrown up. He has manufactured cover for any future 
>obstructions of this process. And they are sure to continue.

I sure hope so. I want all out war. I don't care who goes down, as
long as it's all the corrupt folks. Of course, that means another
government shutdown, but for a brand new reason.

>>>   You don't seem to understand that. We
>>>> do need a purge, and another thing you don't understand is that Trump
>>>> could represent that purge. Why do you think so many politicians from
>>>> *both* parties hate him?
>>>
>>> If there were actually enough patriots in the US Congress willing to
>>> admit what is happening Trump would already be facing impeachment.
>> 
>> Would Hillary be facing indictment? Lois Lerner? Any Dems at all?
>
>What an idiot. Private citizen Hillary Clinton and whatever legal 
>problems she may face should be absolutely of no interest to anyone.

Because she's a liberal? And once someone leaves government, anything
they did in government should be forgotten? Interesting. 

> It certainly has nothing to do with the collusion by the Trump Crime Family 
>that is sitting in plain sight of anyone who cares to see it.
>
>And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is not a 
>crime.

Then why do you go on about it? You keep using the word, even though I
asked you to name some actual crimes. 

	
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> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 19:41:35 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/3/2018 5:55 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 17:11:10 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/3/2018 4:41 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:22:50 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
>>>>>> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
>>>>>> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
>>>>>> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
>>>>>> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
>>>>>> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
>>>>>> supporters will array behind them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
>>>>>> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
>>>>>> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
>>>>>> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
>>>>>> done nothing wrong
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
>>>>> wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
>>>>> Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed.
>>>>
>>>> Collusion with Russian operatives to release illegally obtained
>>>> information against his political opponents followed by a daily stream
>>>> of actions, lies and naive admissions of guilt surrounding his attempts
>>>> to obstruct the investigation into those crimes.
>>>
>>> What then is collusion with Russian operatives and corrupted FBI
>>> figures to release false info about Trump during an election? And is
>>> collusion a crime? You could check with your lawyer buddy.
>>
>> You're a hopeless dupe.
> 
> That is straight out of BillB's playbook. "No, *you* are!"

I can't help it, you are.

>>>>>> and lets the investigation play out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the
>>>>>> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the
>>>>>> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In
>>>>>> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never
>>>>>> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
>>>>>
>>>>> All reasonable Americans are praying for those fireworks, as long as
>>>>> they are non-partisan fireworks.
>>>>
>>>> There is no American more non-partisan than Mueller
>>>
>>> There is no word more apt for you than "naive".
>>
>>  From all reports he is a highly respected Republican straight arrow.
>> That is, until he started getting close to Trump..
> 
> *All* reports then. Okay.

All reports until Fox & Friends woke up to the fact that he was closing 
in on Dear Leader, then he suddenly became a traitor.

> 
>> I recall you having a shred of a conscience at one point. What happened
>> to you? Whatever it is, it is apparently the same disease that the
>> Congressional Republicans have contracted.
> 
> Sheesh. Did I do something wrong, too?

You are deliberately obscuring the truth.

> 
>>>> . But the fireworks I
>>>> do not believe will come from him because Trump is going to get rid of
>>>> him. Like a cornered rat he is going to lash out, he doesn't have much
>>>> choice.
>>>
>>> Mueller should be fired. There is not a non-partisan human left in
>>> this country, and Mueller is far from it. Trump is not cornered. There
>>> is nothing on him, except in the fevered imagination of CNN.
>>
>> You are delusional. At least Trump appears to have the awareness to
>> realize the situation he is in. That is exactly why this laughable
>> diversion was thrown up. He has manufactured cover for any future
>> obstructions of this process. And they are sure to continue.
> 
> I sure hope so. I want all out war. I don't care who goes down, as
> long as it's all the corrupt folks. Of course, that means another
> government shutdown, but for a brand new reason.

So you're motivated by a naive and childish belief that "The GuMMINT" is 
the root of all your problems, and that anything, even a wannabe 
dictator, that fucks it up is by definition good.

> 
>>>>    You don't seem to understand that. We
>>>>> do need a purge, and another thing you don't understand is that Trump
>>>>> could represent that purge. Why do you think so many politicians from
>>>>> *both* parties hate him?
>>>>
>>>> If there were actually enough patriots in the US Congress willing to
>>>> admit what is happening Trump would already be facing impeachment.
>>>
>>> Would Hillary be facing indictment? Lois Lerner? Any Dems at all?
>>
>> What an idiot. Private citizen Hillary Clinton and whatever legal
>> problems she may face should be absolutely of no interest to anyone.
> 
> Because she's a liberal? And once someone leaves government, anything
> they did in government should be forgotten? Interesting.

No, because she is, at the very worse, some criminal, not running the 
world's most powerful government.

>> It certainly has nothing to do with the collusion by the Trump Crime Family
>> that is sitting in plain sight of anyone who cares to see it.
>>
>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is not a
>> crime.
> 
> Then why do you go on about it? You keep using the word, even though I
> asked you to name some actual crimes.

The crimes were folded into the collusion, *illegally* promising to drop 
sanctions, and conspiring to have *illegally obtained* emails released.

Then there was all the obstruction, dozens and dozens of examples.. 

	
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>On 2/3/2018 8:24 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:

>> Sheesh. Did I do something wrong, too?
>
>You are deliberately obscuring the truth.

Do you think I have some sort of audience that looks to me for the
truth? And BTW, when you choose to hide from the truth, don't claim
that someone else is hiding it from you. 

>>> You are delusional. At least Trump appears to have the awareness to
>>> realize the situation he is in. That is exactly why this laughable
>>> diversion was thrown up. He has manufactured cover for any future
>>> obstructions of this process. And they are sure to continue.
>> 
>> I sure hope so. I want all out war. I don't care who goes down, as
>> long as it's all the corrupt folks. Of course, that means another
>> government shutdown, but for a brand new reason.
>
>So you're motivated by a naive and childish belief that "The GuMMINT" is 
>the root of all your problems, and that anything, even a wannabe 
>dictator, that fucks it up is by definition good.

Nope, I actually read something you didn't write. What I mean is I
hope the investigation investigates everyone and everything, instead
of just existing to get Trump for something, anything. You ever read
the book "Three Felonies a Day"? You should. Ever if you don't, name
one person you have ever known, or even not known, that could
withstand an examination of absolutely everything he has ever done. As
I alluded to in another post, that is the nature of special
prosecutors in this country.

>>> What an idiot. Private citizen Hillary Clinton and whatever legal
>>> problems she may face should be absolutely of no interest to anyone.
>> 
>> Because she's a liberal? And once someone leaves government, anything
>> they did in government should be forgotten? Interesting.
>
>No, because she is, at the very worse, some criminal, not running the 
>world's most powerful government.

Uh, in case you forgot, she spent most of her life in government.

>>> It certainly has nothing to do with the collusion by the Trump Crime Family
>>> that is sitting in plain sight of anyone who cares to see it.
>>>
>>> And yes, I am aware that "collusion" per se, in and of itself is not a
>>> crime.
>> 
>> Then why do you go on about it? You keep using the word, even though I
>> asked you to name some actual crimes.
>
>The crimes were folded into the collusion, 

See? You just used the word again, even after you said you know it's
not a crime. 

>*illegally* promising to drop 
>sanctions, and conspiring to have *illegally obtained* emails released.

That never happened. BTW, do you condemn everyone who releases
illegally obtained emails?

>Then there was all the obstruction, dozens and dozens of examples..

You mean by the FBI, right? 

	
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> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 17:11:10 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
> 
> >On 2/3/2018 4:41 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
> >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:22:50 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>>
> >>> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
> >>> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
> >>> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
> >>> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
> >>> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
> >>> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
> >>> supporters will array behind them.
> >>>
> >>> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
> >>> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
> >>> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
> >>> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
> >>> done nothing wrong
> >> 
> >> Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
> >> wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
> >> Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed.
> >
> >Collusion with Russian operatives to release illegally obtained 
> >information against his political opponents followed by a daily stream 
> >of actions, lies and naive admissions of guilt surrounding his attempts 
> >to obstruct the investigation into those crimes.
 
> What then is collusion with Russian operatives and corrupted FBI
> figures …

WHOA, right there, dumb fuck. “Corrupted FBI figures?”

Show us who. Show us what. Give us the names and the lists of charges – with facts.

(JFC, these wing nut spend all day drinking cool aid and believing it’s real…)


> Mueller should be fired.

For what? Give us the factual reasons. Give us the list.


> There is not a non-partisan human left in this country, and Mueller is far from it.

It’s not about partisanship you ignorant fuck. It’s about facts.

> Trump is not cornered.

The fuck he ain’t.


> There is nothing on him, except in the fevered imagination of CNN. 

Then why has the right force-fed you the line that Mueller should be fired?


> Would Hillary be facing indictment? Lois Lerner? Any Dems at all?

WHA! HA~HA! “BUT HILLARY!”

Come on, asshole, give us the reasons and the lists….

Jerry (pointing and laughing at dupes) ‘n Vegas 

	
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> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 17:11:10 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
> 
> >On 2/3/2018 4:41 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
> >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:22:50 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >>>
> >>> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
> >>> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
> >>> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
> >>> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
> >>> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
> >>> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
> >>> supporters will array behind them.
> >>>
> >>> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
> >>> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
> >>> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
> >>> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
> >>> done nothing wrong
> >> 
> >> Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
> >> wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
> >> Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed.
> >
> >Collusion with Russian operatives to release illegally obtained 
> >information against his political opponents followed by a daily stream 
> >of actions, lies and naive admissions of guilt surrounding his attempts 
> >to obstruct the investigation into those crimes.
> 
> What then is collusion with Russian operatives and corrupted FBI
> figures to release false info about Trump during an election? And is
> collusion a crime? You could check with your lawyer buddy. 

'Fantasy', to not put too fine a point on it.

> >>> and lets the investigation play out.
> >>>
> >>> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the
> >>> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the
> >>> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In
> >>> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
> >>>
> >>> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never
> >>> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
> >> 
> >> All reasonable Americans are praying for those fireworks, as long as
> >> they are non-partisan fireworks.
> >
> >There is no American more non-partisan than Mueller
> 
> There is no word more apt for you than "naive". 
> 
> >. But the fireworks I 
> >do not believe will come from him because Trump is going to get rid of 
> >him. Like a cornered rat he is going to lash out, he doesn't have much 
> >choice.
> 
> Mueller should be fired. There is not a non-partisan human left in
> this country, and Mueller is far from it. Trump is not cornered. There
> is nothing on him, except in the fevered imagination of CNN. 
> 
> >  You don't seem to understand that. We
> >> do need a purge, and another thing you don't understand is that Trump
> >> could represent that purge. Why do you think so many politicians from
> >> *both* parties hate him?
> >
> >If there were actually enough patriots in the US Congress willing to 
> >admit what is happening Trump would already be facing impeachment.
> 
> Would Hillary be facing indictment? Lois Lerner? Any Dems at all? 

	
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> > On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:22:50 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>
> >> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
> >> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
> >> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
> >> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
> >> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
> >> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
> >> supporters will array behind them.
> >>
> >> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
> >> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
> >> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
> >> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
> >> done nothing wrong
> > 
> > Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
> > wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
> > Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed.
> 
> Collusion with Russian operatives to release illegally obtained 
> information against his political opponents followed by a daily stream 
> of actions, lies and naive admissions of guilt surrounding his attempts 
> to obstruct the investigation into those crimes.
> 

He didn't mean -in your mind-, he meant really.

Zero evidence of any Trump-collusion. Evidence of Democrat collusion with the FBI: the memo.

> >> and lets the investigation play out.
> >>
> >> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the
> >> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the
> >> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In
> >> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
> >>
> >> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never
> >> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
> > 
> > All reasonable Americans are praying for those fireworks, as long as
> > they are non-partisan fireworks.
> 
> There is no American more non-partisan than Mueller. 

Now that's a knee slapper. You need to borrow a newspaper from "clueless n' Vegas," and give
Mueller's political background a look-see. 


But the fireworks I 
> do not believe will come from him because Trump is going to get rid of 
> him. Like a cornered rat he is going to lash out, he doesn't have much 
> choice.
> 
>   You don't seem to understand that. We
> > do need a purge, and another thing you don't understand is that Trump
> > could represent that purge. Why do you think so many politicians from
> > *both* parties hate him?
> 
> If there were actually enough patriots in the US Congress willing to 
> admit what is happening Trump would already be facing impeachment.
 
They are forced, but effectively admitting what's happening, and that's why they're resigning in
droves. Hopefully, they'll be replaced with real conservatives.

But, in any case there won't be anything like your kangaroo-impeachment without a Democrat majority
in the House; and never a conviction in the senate, regardless. 

	
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> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 8:11:14 PM UTC-5, Dutch wrote:
>> On 2/3/2018 4:41 PM, Bill Vanek wrote:
>>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:22:50 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
>>>> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
>>>> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
>>>> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
>>>> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
>>>> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
>>>> supporters will array behind them.
>>>>
>>>> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
>>>> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
>>>> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
>>>> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
>>>> done nothing wrong
>>>
>>> Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
>>> wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
>>> Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed.
>>
>> Collusion with Russian operatives to release illegally obtained
>> information against his political opponents followed by a daily stream
>> of actions, lies and naive admissions of guilt surrounding his attempts
>> to obstruct the investigation into those crimes.
>>
> 
> He didn't mean -in your mind-, he meant really.
> 
> Zero evidence of any Trump-collusion. Evidence of Democrat collusion with the FBI: the memo.

I seriously believe that you're just fucked-in-the-head nuts.

Barking looney-toons. 

	
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On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 4:41:38 PM UTC-8, Bill Vanek wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 14:22:50 -0800, Dutch<no@email.com> wrote:
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> >
> >It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from 
> >or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the 
> >information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The 
> >memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care 
> >about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do 
> >is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their 
> >supporters will array behind them.
> >
> >I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice 
> >Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go 
> >down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a 
> >possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has 
> >done nothing wrong
> 
> Tell you what, why don't you tell us precisely what Trump has done
> wrong regarding Russia and the election? Or tell us what CNN told you.
> Tell us all what indictable crimes *he* has committed. 

That's kind of a really dimwitted question when the Special Counsel investigation is still underway?
You know- the one Trump and the Republicans have been trying to shut down since minute one.
Intelligent people wonder why.

> > and lets the investigation play out.
> >
> >The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the 
> >Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the 
> >Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In 
> >2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
> >
> >There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never 
> >seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
> 
> All reasonable Americans are praying for those fireworks, as long as
> they are non-partisan fireworks. You don't seem to understand that. We
> do need a purge, and another thing you don't understand is that Trump
> could represent that purge. Why do you think so many politicians from
> *both* parties hate him?

For accuracy's sake the correct word is despise, not hate, and it's because he's a stupid,
incompetent asshole. 

	
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> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from 
> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the 
> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The 
> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care 
> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do 
> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their 
> supporters will array behind them.
> 
> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice 
> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go 
> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a 
> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has 
> done nothing wrong and lets the investigation play out.
> 
> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the 
> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the 
> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In 
> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
> 
> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never 
> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.

What's in the works now is trump answering questions from Mueller. Trump's first dodge is, "I'll
answer them in writing, okay?" Eventually he won't answer anything because he knows they got him.

He'll take The Fifth. Mueller will start his indictments. 

	
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> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 2:22:55 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
>> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
>> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
>> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
>> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
>> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
>> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
>> supporters will array behind them.
>>
>> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
>> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
>> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
>> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
>> done nothing wrong and lets the investigation play out.
>>
>> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the
>> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the
>> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In
>> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
>>
>> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never
>> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
> 
> What's in the works now is trump answering questions from Mueller. Trump's first dodge is, "I'll
answer them in writing, okay?" Eventually he won't answer anything because he knows they got him.
> 
> He'll take The Fifth. Mueller will start his indictments.

I think there's a good chance that he will refuse to talk to Mueller "on 
the advice of my lawyers". Then he'll be subpoenaed, then the fireworks 
will start. No matter what he does there won't be any "constitutional 
crisis" unless the Dems take back the House. By then Rosenstein will be 
gone and Mueller's investigation will have been neutered. It will be 
straight to impeachment. I just don't see Trump going down without a 
fight. There will be no getting on a helicopter and flying away ala 
Nixon. They'll have to storm the Whitehouse like Waco. 

	
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On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 1:11:59 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> On 2/4/2018 6:34 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 2:22:55 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> >> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from
> >> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the
> >> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The
> >> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care
> >> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do
> >> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their
> >> supporters will array behind them.
> >>
> >> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice
> >> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go
> >> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a
> >> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has
> >> done nothing wrong and lets the investigation play out.
> >>
> >> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the
> >> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the
> >> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In
> >> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
> >>
> >> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never
> >> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
> > 
> > What's in the works now is trump answering questions from Mueller. Trump's first dodge is, "I'll
answer them in writing, okay?" Eventually he won't answer anything because he knows they got him.
> > 
> > He'll take The Fifth. Mueller will start his indictments.
> 
> I think there's a good chance that he will refuse to talk to Mueller "on 
> the advice of my lawyers". Then he'll be subpoenaed, then the fireworks 
> will start. No matter what he does there won't be any "constitutional 
> crisis" unless the Dems take back the House. By then Rosenstein will be 
> gone and Mueller's investigation will have been neutered. It will be 
> straight to impeachment. I just don't see Trump going down without a 
> fight.

Unless he does like Nixon. Sort of a plea bargain. "We have you on 20 counts of money laundering.
Resign or go to jail."











 There will be no getting on a helicopter and flying away ala 
> Nixon. They'll have to storm the Whitehouse like Waco. 

	
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> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 2:22:55 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> > It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from 
> > or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the 
> > information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The 
> > memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care 
> > about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do 
> > is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their 
> > supporters will array behind them.
> > 
> > I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice 
> > Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go 
> > down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a 
> > possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has 
> > done nothing wrong and lets the investigation play out.
> > 
> > The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the 
> > Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the 
> > Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In 
> > 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
> > 
> > There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never 
> > seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch..
> 
> What's in the works now is trump answering questions from Mueller. Trump's first dodge is, "I'll
answer them in writing, okay?" Eventually he won't answer anything because he knows they got him.
> 
> He'll take The Fifth. Mueller will start his indictments.

Oh, I didn't hear that he'll do it by interrogatory. That's good. Trump was stating that he'd like
to do a live interview. He didn't say he would, but would -like- to do an interview. He changes his
mind almost daily, which drives them nuts. That's good, too. 

	
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Subject: Re: Where Are All Our Wingnuts?
From: VegasJerry <jerryst@cox.net>
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On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 4:10:36 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> On Sunday, February 4, 2018 at 9:34:30 AM UTC-5, VegasJerry wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 2:22:55 PM UTC-8, Dutch wrote:
> > > It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from 
> > > or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the 
> > > information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The 
> > > memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care 
> > > about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do 
> > > is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their 
> > > supporters will array behind them.
> > > 
> > > I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice 
> > > Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go 
> > > down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a 
> > > possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has 
> > > done nothing wrong and lets the investigation play out.
> > > 
> > > The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the 
> > > Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the 
> > > Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In 
> > > 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
> > > 
> > > There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never 
> > > seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
> > 
> > What's in the works now is trump answering questions from Mueller. Trump's first dodge is, "I'll
answer them in writing, okay?" Eventually he won't answer anything because he knows they got him.
> > 
> > He'll take The Fifth. Mueller will start his indictments.
> 
> Oh, I didn't hear that he'll do it by interrogatory. That's good. Trump was stating that he'd like
to do a live interview.

And you, of course, believed him. Stupid much?

> He didn't say he would, but would -like- to do an interview.

And you see nothing wrong in his double talk? See how easily you're led?

> He changes his mind almost daily, which drives them nuts.

Drives who nuts? Seem's to be you.

> That's good, too.

Really? How?

Oh, wait.... You always run and hide when you're cornered.

Seems we're the ones laughing at you... again. 

	
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On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 5:22:55 PM UTC-5, Dutch wrote:
> It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from 
> or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the 
> information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The 
> memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care 
> about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do 
> is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their 
> supporters will array behind them.
> 
> I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice 
> Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go 
> down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a 
> possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has 
> done nothing wrong and lets the investigation play out.
> 
> The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the 
> Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the 
> Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In 
> 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
> 
> There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never 
> seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.

Riiight. Like all the other fireworks that were supposed to come (chortle).

It looks like this is turning around. That's the truth of the matter. 

	
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On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 3:36:17 PM UTC-8, Travel wrote:
> On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 5:22:55 PM UTC-5, Dutch wrote:
> > It's not relevant where information supporting a FISA warrant comes from 
> > or if the source has a bias. All that matters to the court is that the 
> > information is shown to be credible and supports probable cause. The 
> > memo is a complete dud. BUT, Nunes, Trump and company don't really care 
> > about being factual (he never has). They know that all they need to do 
> > is make a bunch of noise, issue some wild accusations, and their 
> > supporters will array behind them.
> > 
> > I fear that the real agenda is to justify a purge of the FBI and Justice 
> > Dept, because the noose is tightening and Orange Clown Man will not go 
> > down without a fight. I see no way to avoid this, unless, and this is a 
> > possibility, Trump is actually delusional enough to believe that he has 
> > done nothing wrong and lets the investigation play out.
> > 
> > The difference between this and Watergate is that at that time the 
> > Congress was actually an independent branch of government, and the 
> > Republican Party still believed in the Constitution. That's gone now. In 
> > 2018 the American Congress serves at the whim of the president.
> > 
> > There are fireworks coming the likes of which any your country has never 
> > seen. It is sad to see, and at the same time very entertaining to watch.
> 
> Riiight. Like all the other fireworks that were supposed to come (chortle).
> 
> It looks like this is turning around. That's the truth of the matter.

Senile.