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While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
interesting to some here.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be

There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
film.  Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
"old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.

The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
in a somewhat related area.  
-- 
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida 

	
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On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
(in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):

> While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
> interesting to some here.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
>
> There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
> interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
> film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
> "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
>
> The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
> in a somewhat related area.

Yup! That was interesting.

Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or 
warbirds.

-- 

Regards,
Savageduck 

	
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> On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
> (in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):
> 
>> While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
>> interesting to some here.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
>> interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
>> film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
>> "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
>>
>> The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
>> in a somewhat related area.
> 
> Yup! That was interesting.

+1

> 
> Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
> warbirds.
> 

All these memories will be lost in time....

We were lucky in the UK with steam locomotives because a lot of them 
ended up rotting gently in scrap yards for long enough for them to be 
recoverable by restoration groups.

About fifteen years ago I was working on the defuelling of the Calder 
Hall nuclear reactors which started up in 1956. There was some very 
creative engineering in the fuel handling and reactor control systems, 
but no interest in saving any of the hardware. Soon, all that is left 
will be photographs. 

	
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<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

>On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
>(in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):
>
>> While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
>> interesting to some here.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
>> interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
>> film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
>> "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
>>
>> The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
>> in a somewhat related area.
>
>Yup! That was interesting.
>
>Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or 
>warbirds.

Or sailboats.
-- 

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Eric Stevens 

	
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> On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 09:07:40 -0700, Savageduck
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>  wrote:
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> > On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
> > (in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
> > > interesting to some here.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
> > >
> > > There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
> > > interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
> > > film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
> > > "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
> > >
> > > The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
> > > in a somewhat related area.
> >
> > Yup! That was interesting.
> >
> > Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
> > warbirds.
>
> Or sailboats.

Sailboats are an interesting subject in this regard since they are divided 
into two groups; those dedicated to the history of sail, and those deeply 
immersed in cutting edge advanced technology when it comes to the modern 
sailboat. All one needs is to look at the aerodynamics engineering in sail, 
foil, and hull design, as well as computers &  electronics used in 
America’s Cup boats, the Volvo Ocean Race yachts, or contempory cruise 
sailboats. With you in NZ, where modern sailboat technology is quite a big 
thing, not exactly a fading tech.

<https://www.sailingworld.com/tech-behind-americas-cup>

<http://www.landroverbar.com/en/news/384_A-beginner-s-guide-to-foili...
foil-shapes.html>

<http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/boat.html>

I concede that the Clipper Ship is dead. Sadly from a commercial veiwpoint 
they just couldn’t compete with steam, or today with massive container 
ships, but they will remain things of grace and beauty. We are fortunate that 
a handful of examples remain today, along with a few modern sail cruise 
boats.

<https://www.windstarcruises.com/yachts/>

<https://www.starclippers.com/us-dom>

-- 

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Savageduck 

	
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> On Oct 25, 2017, Eric Stevens wrote
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>> On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 09:07:40 -0700, Savageduck
>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
>>> (in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):
>>>
>>>> While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
>>>> interesting to some here.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
>>>>
>>>> There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
>>>> interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
>>>> film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
>>>> "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
>>>>
>>>> The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
>>>> in a somewhat related area.
>>>
>>> Yup! That was interesting.
>>>
>>> Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
>>> warbirds.
>>
>> Or sailboats.
> 
> Sailboats are an interesting subject in this regard since they are divided
> into two groups; those dedicated to the history of sail, and those deeply
> immersed in cutting edge advanced technology when it comes to the modern
> sailboat. All one needs is to look at the aerodynamics engineering in sail,
> foil, and hull design, as well as computers &  electronics used in
> America’s Cup boats, the Volvo Ocean Race yachts, or contempory cruise
> sailboats. With you in NZ, where modern sailboat technology is quite a big
> thing, not exactly a fading tech.
> 
> <https://www.sailingworld.com/tech-behind-americas-cup>
> 
> <http://www.landroverbar.com/en/news/384_A-beginner-s-guide-to-foili...
> foil-shapes.html>
> 
> <http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/boat.html>
> 
> I concede that the Clipper Ship is dead. Sadly from a commercial veiwpoint
> they just couldn’t compete with steam, or today with massive container
> ships, but they will remain things of grace and beauty. We are fortunate that
> a handful of examples remain today, along with a few modern sail cruise
> boats.
> 
> <https://www.windstarcruises.com/yachts/>
> 
> <https://www.starclippers.com/us-dom>
> 

There are some companies building them.
<http://hodgdonyachts.com/>

And sail manufacturing is still good business.



-- 
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>> On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
>> (in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):
>>
>>> While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
>>> interesting to some here.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
>>>
>>> There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
>>> interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
>>> film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
>>> "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
>>>
>>> The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
>>> in a somewhat related area.
>>
>> Yup! That was interesting.
>>
>> Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
>> warbirds.
> 
> Or sailboats.

Or narrowboats! ;-)

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/places-to-visit/national-waterways-mu...

Yes - I've been there - on a number of occasions!

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> >Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or 
> >warbirds.

Eric Stevens:
> Or sailboats.

Or petrol-burning automobiles.

As for steam engines, I hear that Trump is promising to bring back the
coal-fired locomotive.

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On Oct 27, 2017, Davoud wrote
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> Savageduck:
> > > Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
> > > warbirds.
>
> Eric Stevens:
> > Or sailboats.
>
> Or petrol-burning automobiles.
Yup! Especially those which catch the eye.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/6a6oa6reeo16fc6/DNC6048-EH.jpg>

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vt5rp5x5ez9l84/DNC3479Aw.jpg>

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/1cky4ot1dr63kib/DNC5877-E1w.jpg>
>
> As for steam engines, I hear that Trump is promising to bring back the
> coal-fired locomotive.

Wait for him to propose the return to a coal fired navy.

-- 

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> On Oct 27, 2017, Davoud wrote
> (in article <271020171020060523%star@sky.net>):
> 
>> Savageduck:
>>>> Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
>>>> warbirds.
>>
>> Eric Stevens:
>>> Or sailboats.
>>
>> Or petrol-burning automobiles.
> Yup! Especially those which catch the eye.
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/6a6oa6reeo16fc6/DNC6048-EH.jpg>
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vt5rp5x5ez9l84/DNC3479Aw.jpg>
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/1cky4ot1dr63kib/DNC5877-E1w.jpg>
>>
>> As for steam engines, I hear that Trump is promising to bring back the
>> coal-fired locomotive.
> 
> Wait for him to propose the return to a coal fired navy.
> 

He would promise that, but never propose it. He may even promise to 
revive this company:

<http://www.stanleymotorcarriage.com/>

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On Oct 27, 2017, PeterN wrote
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> On 10/27/2017 10:48 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> > On Oct 27, 2017, Davoud wrote
> > (in article <271020171020060523%star@sky.net>):
> >
> > > Savageduck:
> > > > > Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
> > > > > warbirds.
> > >
> > > Eric Stevens:
> > > > Or sailboats.
> > >
> > > Or petrol-burning automobiles.
> > Yup! Especially those which catch the eye.
> >
> > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/6a6oa6reeo16fc6/DNC6048-EH.jpg>
> >
> > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vt5rp5x5ez9l84/DNC3479Aw.jpg>
> >
> > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/1cky4ot1dr63kib/DNC5877-E1w.jpg>
> > >
> > > As for steam engines, I hear that Trump is promising to bring back the
> > > coal-fired locomotive.
> >
> > Wait for him to propose the return to a coal fired navy.
>
> He would promise that, but never propose it. He may even promise to
> revive this company:
>
> <http://www.stanleymotorcarriage.com/>

....however, the Stanley Steamer was/is an oil/kerosene burner.

For solid fuel (coal, or wood) you would have to go back a lot further than 
the Stanley to the Dudgeon, Gardner-Serpollet, Roper (who came to an ironic 
end), De Dion-Bouton, a fellow you should know, who built his first steam car 
in 1894, Ransome E. Olds (Oldsmobile), and where the Stanley brothers 
started, The Locomobile Conpany of America.

<https://web.archive.org/web/20100213074704/http://home.att.net/~Berl...
Ultrasonics/dudgeon.html>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardner-Serpollet>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_H._Roper>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomobile_Company_of_America>

-- 

Regards,
Savageduck 

	
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> On Oct 27, 2017, PeterN wrote
> (in article<ot0kjc0qd1@news4.newsguy.com>):
>
> > On 10/27/2017 10:48 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> > > On Oct 27, 2017, Davoud wrote
> > > (in article <271020171020060523%star@sky.net>):
> > >
> > > > Savageduck:
> > > > > > Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
> > > > > > warbirds.
> > > >
> > > > Eric Stevens:
> > > > > Or sailboats.
> > > >
> > > > Or petrol-burning automobiles.
> > > Yup! Especially those which catch the eye.
> > >
> > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/6a6oa6reeo16fc6/DNC6048-EH.jpg>
> > >
> > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vt5rp5x5ez9l84/DNC3479Aw.jpg>
> > >
> > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/1cky4ot1dr63kib/DNC5877-E1w.jpg>
> > > >
> > > > As for steam engines, I hear that Trump is promising to bring back the
> > > > coal-fired locomotive.
> > >
> > > Wait for him to propose the return to a coal fired navy.
> >
> > He would promise that, but never propose it. He may even promise to
> > revive this company:
> >
> > <http://www.stanleymotorcarriage.com/>
>
> ...however, the Stanley Steamer was/is an oil/kerosene burner.
>
> For solid fuel (coal, or wood) you would have to go back a lot further than
> the Stanley to the Dudgeon, Gardner-Serpollet, Roper (who came to an ironic
> end), De Dion-Bouton, a fellow you should know, who built his first steam car
> in 1894, Ransome E. Olds (Oldsmobile), and where the Stanley brothers
> started, The Locomobile Conpany of America.
>
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20100213074704/http://home.att.net/~Berl...
> Ultrasonics/dudgeon.html>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardner-Serpollet>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvester_H._Roper>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomobile_Company_of_America>

I forgot to add the de Dion stuff.
<https://youtu.be/pUgVCR_658M>

-- 

Regards,
Savageduck 

	
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>On Oct 27, 2017, PeterN wrote
>(in article<ot0kjc0qd1@news4.newsguy.com>):
>
>> On 10/27/2017 10:48 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>> > On Oct 27, 2017, Davoud wrote
>> > (in article <271020171020060523%star@sky.net>):
>> >
>> > > Savageduck:
>> > > > > Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
>> > > > > warbirds.
>> > >
>> > > Eric Stevens:
>> > > > Or sailboats.
>> > >
>> > > Or petrol-burning automobiles.
>> > Yup! Especially those which catch the eye.
>> >
>> > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/6a6oa6reeo16fc6/DNC6048-EH.jpg>
>> >
>> > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vt5rp5x5ez9l84/DNC3479Aw.jpg>
>> >
>> > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/1cky4ot1dr63kib/DNC5877-E1w.jpg>
>> > >
>> > > As for steam engines, I hear that Trump is promising to bring back the
>> > > coal-fired locomotive.
>> >
>> > Wait for him to propose the return to a coal fired navy.
>>
>> He would promise that, but never propose it. He may even promise to
>> revive this company:
>>
>> <http://www.stanleymotorcarriage.com/>
>
>...however, the Stanley Steamer was/is an oil/kerosene burner.
>
>For solid fuel (coal, or wood) you would have to go back a lot further than 
>the Stanley to the Dudgeon, Gardner-Serpollet, Roper (who came to an ironic 
>end), De Dion-Bouton, a fellow you should know, who built his first steam car 
>in 1894, Ransome E. Olds (Oldsmobile), and where the Stanley brothers 
>started, The Locomobile Conpany of America.

You don't need to go back that far at all.  Go back to the 1940s in
the UK and Europe, but the wood was used to create wood-gas.

http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/01/wood-gas-cars.html

-- 
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida 

	
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> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:38:51 -0700, Savageduck
> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>  wrote:
>
> > On Oct 27, 2017, PeterN wrote
> > (in article<ot0kjc0qd1@news4.newsguy.com>):
> >
> > > On 10/27/2017 10:48 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > On Oct 27, 2017, Davoud wrote
> > > > (in article <271020171020060523%star@sky.net>):
> > > >
> > > > > Savageduck:
> > > > > > > Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
> > > > > > > warbirds.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric Stevens:
> > > > > > Or sailboats.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or petrol-burning automobiles.
> > > > Yup! Especially those which catch the eye.
> > > >
> > > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/6a6oa6reeo16fc6/DNC6048-EH.jpg>
> > > >
> > > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vt5rp5x5ez9l84/DNC3479Aw.jpg>
> > > >
> > > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/1cky4ot1dr63kib/DNC5877-E1w.jpg>
> > > > >
> > > > > As for steam engines, I hear that Trump is promising to bring back the
> > > > > coal-fired locomotive.
> > > >
> > > > Wait for him to propose the return to a coal fired navy.
> > >
> > > He would promise that, but never propose it. He may even promise to
> > > revive this company:
> > >
> > > <http://www.stanleymotorcarriage.com/>
> >
> > ...however, the Stanley Steamer was/is an oil/kerosene burner.
> >
> > For solid fuel (coal, or wood) you would have to go back a lot further than
> > the Stanley to the Dudgeon, Gardner-Serpollet, Roper (who came to an ironic
> > end), De Dion-Bouton, a fellow you should know, who built his first steam
> > car
> > in 1894, Ransome E. Olds (Oldsmobile), and where the Stanley brothers
> > started, The Locomobile Conpany of America.
>
> You don't need to go back that far at all. Go back to the 1940s in
> the UK and Europe, but the wood was used to create wood-gas.
>
> http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2010/01/wood-gas-cars.html

Yup! The various solid fuel converted vehicles were used in the UK and Europe 
through the war years to the early fifties. The most ubiquitous were the wood 
and coal converted Parisian Citroen taxis.

-- 

Regards,
Savageduck 

	
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> the UK and Europe, but the wood was used to create wood-gas.

They're still using some vehicles like that in North Korea 
today... 

	
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On 10/27/17 10:20 AM, Davoud wrote:
> As for steam engines, I hear that Trump is promising to bring back the
> coal-fired locomotive.

There are probably plenty of railroads today, that remain 
"coal-fired".

No, they may not be using steam engines.

Instead, they use modern electric locomotives running on 
electricity generated in coal-burning power plants.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of China's newest high-speed 
trains (they have a growing number of them) are 
"coal-powered" ...

And someday, perhaps hundreds of years in the future, when 
the oil has run out, when the natural gas has run out, when 
nuclear power plants are but a faint memory in history, the 
coal will still be there. Just dig it up, put it in the 
locomotive tender, add water, and the trains will run that 
way again...  ;) 

	
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On 10/25/2017 12:07 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
> (in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):
> 
>> While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
>> interesting to some here.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
>> interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
>> film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
>> "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
>>
>> The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
>> in a somewhat related area.
> 
> Yup! That was interesting.
> 
> Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
> warbirds.
> 

Not a great image, bu I just felt like making it. I haven't decided if I 
will continue to play with it.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/01gjzj6ig79jhsy/Warbirds.jpg?dl=0>


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> On 10/25/2017 12:07 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> > On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
> > (in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):
> >
> > > While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
> > > interesting to some here.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
> > >
> > > There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
> > > interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
> > > film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
> > > "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
> > >
> > > The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
> > > in a somewhat related area.
> >
> > Yup! That was interesting.
> >
> > Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
> > warbirds.
>
> Not a great image, bu I just felt like making it. I haven't decided if I
> will continue to play with it.
>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/01gjzj6ig79jhsy/Warbirds.jpg?dl=0>

Not my kind of thing, that sort of composite, but if you are just playing, go 
ahead.

My preference would be to present individual images of the B-29, B-25, B-17, 
P-51, A-10, and eagle.

-- 

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Savageduck 

	
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> On Oct 26, 2017, PeterN wrote
> (in article<osssjl02lra@news6.newsguy.com>):
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> > On 10/25/2017 12:07 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> > > On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
> > > (in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):
> > >
> > > > While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
> > > > interesting to some here.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
> > > >
> > > > There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
> > > > interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
> > > > film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
> > > > "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
> > > >
> > > > The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
> > > > in a somewhat related area.
> > >
> > > Yup! That was interesting.
> > >
> > > Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
> > > warbirds.
> >
> > Not a great image, bu I just felt like making it. I haven't decided if I
> > will continue to play with it.
> >
> > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/01gjzj6ig79jhsy/Warbirds.jpg?dl=0>
> 
> Not my kind of thing, that sort of composite, but if you are just playing, go 
> ahead.
> 
> My preference would be to present individual images of the B-29, B-25, B-17, 
> P-51, A-10, and eagle.

I heard the other night on TV  regading bombers, that the expression the whole 9 yards comes from
the belt lengh of the guns on the B-17    as in give them the whole or full 9 yards.

I always thought it was an american football term ;-0


And my favourite warbird 

http://www.startrek.com/database_article/romulan-warbird 

	
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> On Thursday, 26 October 2017 15:56:55 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote:
> > On Oct 26, 2017, PeterN wrote
> > (in article<osssjl02lra@news6.newsguy.com>):
> >
> > > On 10/25/2017 12:07 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
> > > > (in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):
> > > >
> > > > > While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
> > > > > interesting to some here.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
> > > > >
> > > > > There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
> > > > > interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
> > > > > film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
> > > > > "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
> > > > >
> > > > > The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
> > > > > in a somewhat related area.
> > > >
> > > > Yup! That was interesting.
> > > >
> > > > Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
> > > > warbirds.
> > >
> > > Not a great image, bu I just felt like making it. I haven't decided if I
> > > will continue to play with it.
> > >
> > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/01gjzj6ig79jhsy/Warbirds.jpg?dl=0>
> >
> > Not my kind of thing, that sort of composite, but if you are just playing,
> > go
> > ahead.
> >
> > My preference would be to present individual images of the B-29, B-25, B-17,
> > P-51, A-10, and eagle.
>
> I heard the other night on TV regading bombers, that the expression the whole
> 9 yards comes from the belt lengh of the guns on the B-17 as in give them the
> whole or full 9 yards.

That is correct. A belt of .50 caliber ammo in an ammo can for the M2 
Browning machine guns mounted in the various turret, and waist positions were 
about 27 feet, or 9 yards long.
>
> I always thought it was an american football term ;-0

Nope.
>
> And my favourite warbird
>
> http://www.startrek.com/database_article/romulan-warbird

Fantasy doesn’t count. You need something that has actually done the work.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/di73lh4w4h87p81/DNC_5157B1w.jpg>
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/1iojfnm2rfj6z2g/DNC_4955B1w.jpg>
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<https://www.dropbox.com/s/38e4wep8gka4bj6/DNC_4900-E2.jpg>

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> On Oct 26, 2017, Whisky-dave wrote
> (in article<0a789a28-63e5-481e-9d81-f3bcae8b6a8a@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > On Thursday, 26 October 2017 15:56:55 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote:
> > > On Oct 26, 2017, PeterN wrote
> > > (in article<osssjl02lra@news6.newsguy.com>):
> > >
> > > > On 10/25/2017 12:07 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > > On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
> > > > > (in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):
> > > > >
> > > > > > While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
> > > > > > interesting to some here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
> > > > > > interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
> > > > > > film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
> > > > > > "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
> > > > > > in a somewhat related area.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yup! That was interesting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
> > > > > warbirds.
> > > >
> > > > Not a great image, bu I just felt like making it. I haven't decided if I
> > > > will continue to play with it.
> > > >
> > > > <https://www.dropbox.com/s/01gjzj6ig79jhsy/Warbirds.jpg?dl=0>
> > >
> > > Not my kind of thing, that sort of composite, but if you are just playing,
> > > go
> > > ahead.
> > >
> > > My preference would be to present individual images of the B-29, B-25,
> > > B-17,
> > > P-51, A-10, and eagle.
> >
> > I heard the other night on TV regading bombers, that the expression the
> > whole
> > 9 yards comes from the belt lengh of the guns on the B-17 as in give them
> > the
> > whole or full 9 yards.
>
> That is correct. A belt of .50 caliber ammo in an ammo can for the M2
> Browning machine guns mounted in the various turret, and waist positions were
> about 27 feet, or 9 yards long.

BTW: Depending on the ammo can type you would have either 270 or 380 rounds 
of .50 Cal linked with metal links. The “nine yard” cans held 270 rounds. 
The other thing to consider is the actual weight of each of those cans with 
that much ammo, and the metal link belt.
>
> >
> > I always thought it was an american football term ;-0
>
> Nope.
> >
> > And my favourite warbird
> >
> > http://www.startrek.com/database_article/romulan-warbird
>
> Fantasy doesn’t count. You need something that has actually done the work.
>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/di73lh4w4h87p81/DNC_5157B1w.jpg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/1iojfnm2rfj6z2g/DNC_4955B1w.jpg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/t5uyshkc0p1ttr9/DNC_5019B1w.jpg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/38e4wep8gka4bj6/DNC_4900-E2.jpg>

-- 

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> On Oct 26, 2017, Whisky-dave wrote
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> 
>> On Thursday, 26 October 2017 15:56:55 UTC+1, Savageduck wrote:
>>> On Oct 26, 2017, PeterN wrote
>>> (in article<osssjl02lra@news6.newsguy.com>):
>>>
>>>> On 10/25/2017 12:07 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 25, 2017, Tony Cooper wrote
>>>>> (in article<5591vcd6pp5v5bgl84bltjnmdbhpn28ld3@4ax.com>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> While this isn't directly related to photography, it will be
>>>>>> interesting to some here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxc3mKqKTk&feature=youtu.be
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are those here who can't understand why someone would be
>>>>>> interested in still doing film photography or developing their own
>>>>>> film. Those still shooting film, though, have an appreciation for the
>>>>>> "old way" and an admiration of the mechanics involved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The video is about a guy who has a similar appreciation and admiration
>>>>>> in a somewhat related area.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup! That was interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Old technology is always interesting, just think of steam engines, or
>>>>> warbirds.
>>>>
>>>> Not a great image, bu I just felt like making it. I haven't decided if I
>>>> will continue to play with it.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/01gjzj6ig79jhsy/Warbirds.jpg?dl=0>
>>>
>>> Not my kind of thing, that sort of composite, but if you are just playing,
>>> go
>>> ahead.
>>>
>>> My preference would be to present individual images of the B-29, B-25, B-17,
>>> P-51, A-10, and eagle.
>>
>> I heard the other night on TV regading bombers, that the expression the whole
>> 9 yards comes from the belt lengh of the guns on the B-17 as in give them the
>> whole or full 9 yards.
> 
> That is correct. A belt of .50 caliber ammo in an ammo can for the M2
> Browning machine guns mounted in the various turret, and waist positions were
> about 27 feet, or 9 yards long.
>>
>> I always thought it was an american football term ;-0
> 
> Nope.
>>
>> And my favourite warbird
>>
>> http://www.startrek.com/database_article/romulan-warbird
> 
> Fantasy doesn’t count. You need something that has actually done the work.
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/di73lh4w4h87p81/DNC_5157B1w.jpg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/1iojfnm2rfj6z2g/DNC_4955B1w.jpg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/t5uyshkc0p1ttr9/DNC_5019B1w.jpg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/38e4wep8gka4bj6/DNC_4900-E2.jpg>
> 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c5okz7gpfo73qwr/jets.jpg?dl=0 

	
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>I heard the other night on TV  regading bombers, that the expression the whole 9 yards comes from
the belt lengh of the guns on the B-17    as in give them the whole or full 9 yards.
>
>I always thought it was an american football term ;-0
>

Nine yards has no real significance in American football.  It's a gain
or loss in yardage, but the significant measurement is ten yards.  If
a team gains ten yards or more in their series of plays, the next down
is a first down and they have four more downs in possession.

 
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><whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >I heard the other night on TV  regading bombers, that the expression the whole 9 yards comes from
the belt lengh of the guns on the B-17    as in give them the whole or full 9 yards.
> >
> >I always thought it was an american football term ;-0
> >
> 
> Nine yards has no real significance in American football.  It's a gain
> or loss in yardage, but the significant measurement is ten yards.  If
> a team gains ten yards or more in their series of plays, the next down
> is a first down and they have four more downs in possession.

As clear as mud :-)

or a bakers dozen. 

	
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>On Thursday, 26 October 2017 18:05:43 UTC+1, Tony Cooper  wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 09:33:48 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
>><whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >I heard the other night on TV  regading bombers, that the expression the whole 9 yards comes
from the belt lengh of the guns on the B-17    as in give them the whole or full 9 yards.
>> >
>> >I always thought it was an american football term ;-0
>> >
>> 
>> Nine yards has no real significance in American football.  It's a gain
>> or loss in yardage, but the significant measurement is ten yards.  If
>> a team gains ten yards or more in their series of plays, the next down
>> is a first down and they have four more downs in possession.
>
>As clear as mud :-)
>
The difference between American football and European football is that
the American football players attempt to advance the ball towards the
opponent's goalposts.  European football players mostly mill around
the middle of the field kicking the ball to and fro and not advancing
it in either direction.

Also, when an American football player goes down, it is because an
opponent, or a gaggle of opponents, has forced him down to stop his
advance.  When a European football player goes down, it is a dramatic
move worthy of a BAFTA award for Best Performance for a Solo Effort.

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> >On Thursday, 26 October 2017 18:05:43 UTC+1, Tony Cooper  wrote:
> >> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 09:33:48 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
> >><whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >I heard the other night on TV  regading bombers, that the expression the whole 9 yards comes
from the belt lengh of the guns on the B-17    as in give them the whole or full 9 yards.
> >> >
> >> >I always thought it was an american football term ;-0
> >> >
> >> 
> >> Nine yards has no real significance in American football.  It's a gain
> >> or loss in yardage, but the significant measurement is ten yards.  If
> >> a team gains ten yards or more in their series of plays, the next down
> >> is a first down and they have four more downs in possession.
> >
> >As clear as mud :-)
> >
> The difference between American football and European football is that
> the American football players attempt to advance the ball towards the
> opponent's goalposts.

It's the same in European football the main differnce is that in European football they aremn;t
allowwed to pick up the ball and the ball is spherical rather than an elongated ellipsoidal shape.

>   European football players mostly mill around
> the middle of the field kicking the ball to and fro and not advancing
> it in either direction.

Don't think you have that quite right.

> 
> Also, when an American football player goes down, it is because an
> opponent, or a gaggle of opponents, has forced him down to stop his
> advance.  When a European football player goes down, it is a dramatic
> move worthy of a BAFTA award for Best Performance for a Solo Effort.

Teh amount of protection an american foobball player wears is also more substantial that most of our
troops sent to wars zones get. 

	
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>On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 10:23:07 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
><whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>On Thursday, 26 October 2017 18:05:43 UTC+1, Tony Cooper  wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 09:33:48 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave
>>><whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >I heard the other night on TV  regading bombers, that the expression the whole 9 yards comes
from the belt lengh of the guns on the B-17    as in give them the whole or full 9 yards.
>>> >
>>> >I always thought it was an american football term ;-0
>>> >
>>> 
>>> Nine yards has no real significance in American football.  It's a gain
>>> or loss in yardage, but the significant measurement is ten yards.  If
>>> a team gains ten yards or more in their series of plays, the next down
>>> is a first down and they have four more downs in possession.
>>
>>As clear as mud :-)
>>
>The difference between American football and European football is that
>the American football players attempt to advance the ball towards the
>opponent's goalposts.  European football players mostly mill around
>the middle of the field kicking the ball to and fro and not advancing
>it in either direction.
>
>Also, when an American football player goes down, it is because an
>opponent, or a gaggle of opponents, has forced him down to stop his
>advance.  When a European football player goes down, it is a dramatic
>move worthy of a BAFTA award for Best Performance for a Solo Effort.

Then there is this
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/16/1408189861273_wps_2_New_Z...
or http://tinyurl.com/y8hvl7n4

It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
carrier.
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> >Also, when an American football player goes down, it is because an
> >opponent, or a gaggle of opponents, has forced him down to stop his
> >advance.  When a European football player goes down, it is a dramatic
> >move worthy of a BAFTA award for Best Performance for a Solo Effort.
> 
> Then there is this
>
> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/16/1408189861273_wps_2_New_Z...
> Black_Sam.jpg
> or http://tinyurl.com/y8hvl7n4
> 
> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
> carrier.

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>
>> >Also, when an American football player goes down, it is because an
>> >opponent, or a gaggle of opponents, has forced him down to stop his
>> >advance.  When a European football player goes down, it is a dramatic
>> >move worthy of a BAFTA award for Best Performance for a Solo Effort.
>> 
>> Then there is this
>>
>> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/16/1408189861273_wps_2_New_Z...
>> Black_Sam.jpg
>> or http://tinyurl.com/y8hvl7n4
>> 
>> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
>> carrier.
>
>no it doesn't.

What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
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In article<hpd7vclk1jmbncg5bc1iln0t51oueajg85@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens<eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:

> >> >Also, when an American football player goes down, it is because an
> >> >opponent, or a gaggle of opponents, has forced him down to stop his
> >> >advance.  When a European football player goes down, it is a dramatic
> >> >move worthy of a BAFTA award for Best Performance for a Solo Effort.
> >> 
> >> Then there is this
> >>
> >>
> >> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/16/1408189861273_wps_2_New_Z...
> >> ll_
> >> Black_Sam.jpg
> >> or http://tinyurl.com/y8hvl7n4
> >> 
> >> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
> >> carrier.
> >
> >no it doesn't.
> 
> What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?

playing football. 

the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
for that matter. 

	
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>In article<hpd7vclk1jmbncg5bc1iln0t51oueajg85@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> >> >Also, when an American football player goes down, it is because an
>> >> >opponent, or a gaggle of opponents, has forced him down to stop his
>> >> >advance.  When a European football player goes down, it is a dramatic
>> >> >move worthy of a BAFTA award for Best Performance for a Solo Effort.
>> >> 
>> >> Then there is this
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/16/1408189861273_wps_2_New_Z...
>> >> ll_
>> >> Black_Sam.jpg
>> >> or http://tinyurl.com/y8hvl7n4
>> >> 
>> >> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
>> >> carrier.
>> >
>> >no it doesn't.
>> 
>> What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
>
>playing football. 
>
>the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
>for that matter.

Duh!

The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
left of the image. The game is Rugby.
-- 

Regards,

Eric Stevens 

	
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In article<6hs7vc581t86gj8v8g412fihnd5m54losm@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens<eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:

> >> >> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
> >> >> carrier.
> >> >
> >> >no it doesn't.
> >> 
> >> What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
> >
> >playing football. 
> >
> >the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
> >for that matter.
> 
> Duh!
> 
> The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
> left of the image. The game is Rugby.

that's not a wall. 

	
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> In article<6hs7vc581t86gj8v8g412fihnd5m54losm@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>  wrote:
>
> > > > > > It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
> > > > > > carrier.
> > > > >
> > > > > no it doesn't.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
> > >
> > > playing football.
> > >
> > > the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
> > > for that matter.
> >
> > Duh!
> >
> > The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
> > left of the image. The game is Rugby.
>
> that's not a wall.

It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be 
considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.

-- 

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Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
> > > > > > > carrier.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > no it doesn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
> > > >
> > > > playing football.
> > > >
> > > > the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
> > > > for that matter.
> > >
> > > Duh!
> > >
> > > The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
> > > left of the image. The game is Rugby.
> >
> > that's not a wall.
> 
> It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be 
> considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.

normally called a line of scrimmage, not a wall of scrimmage.

> You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.

i would not call the players in that photo a wall. 

	
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> In article<0001HW.1FA4302200474A8670000B2DD2CF@news.giganews.com>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
> > > > > > > > carrier.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > no it doesn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
> > > > >
> > > > > playing football.
> > > > >
> > > > > the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
> > > > > for that matter.
> > > >
> > > > Duh!
> > > >
> > > > The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
> > > > left of the image. The game is Rugby.
> > >
> > > that's not a wall.
> >
> > It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be
> > considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
>
> normally called a line of scrimmage, not a wall of scrimmage.
>
> > You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.
>
> i would not call the players in that photo a wall.

As I was saying, a bit too obtuse.

-- 

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Savageduck 

	
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>In article<0001HW.1FA4302200474A8670000B2DD2CF@news.giganews.com>,
>Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> > > > > > > It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
>> > > > > > > carrier.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > no it doesn't.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
>> > > >
>> > > > playing football.
>> > > >
>> > > > the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
>> > > > for that matter.
>> > >
>> > > Duh!
>> > >
>> > > The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
>> > > left of the image. The game is Rugby.
>> >
>> > that's not a wall.
>> 
>> It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be 
>> considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
>
>normally called a line of scrimmage, not a wall of scrimmage.
>
>> You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.
>
>i would not call the players in that photo a wall.

All you need to do is break through them while carrying the ball. You
would be taken off in a stretcher.
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Eric Stevens 

	
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> 
>> In article<6hs7vc581t86gj8v8g412fihnd5m54losm@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
>><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>  wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
>>>>>>> carrier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no it doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
>>>>
>>>> playing football.
>>>>
>>>> the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
>>>> for that matter.
>>>
>>> Duh!
>>>
>>> The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
>>> left of the image. The game is Rugby.
>>
>> that's not a wall.
> 
> It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be
> considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
> You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.
> 

Is obtuse the correct word?

-- 
PeterN 

	
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> On 10/27/2017 11:25 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> > On Oct 27, 2017, nospam wrote
> > (in article<271020172318287476%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
> >
> > > In article<6hs7vc581t86gj8v8g412fihnd5m54losm@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
> > ><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>  wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
> > > > > > > > carrier.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > no it doesn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
> > > > >
> > > > > playing football.
> > > > >
> > > > > the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
> > > > > for that matter.
> > > >
> > > > Duh!
> > > >
> > > > The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
> > > > left of the image. The game is Rugby.
> > >
> > > that's not a wall.
> >
> > It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be
> > considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
> > You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.
>
> Is obtuse the correct word?

Obtuse is the perfect word for this individual.

OBTUSE əbˈt(y)o͞osäbˈt(y)o͞os

adjective
1 annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand: he wondered if the doctor was 
being deliberately obtuse.
•difficult to understand: some of the lyrics are a bit obtuse.

ORIGIN

late Middle English(in the sense ‘blunt’): from Latin obtusus, past 
participle of obtundere ‘beat against’.

-- 

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>On Oct 28, 2017, PeterN wrote
>(in article<ot3gim12qfi@news4.newsguy.com>):
>
>> On 10/27/2017 11:25 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>> > On Oct 27, 2017, nospam wrote
>> > (in article<271020172318287476%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
>> >
>> > > In article<6hs7vc581t86gj8v8g412fihnd5m54losm@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
>> > ><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > > > > It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
>> > > > > > > > carrier.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > no it doesn't.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > playing football.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
>> > > > > for that matter.
>> > > >
>> > > > Duh!
>> > > >
>> > > > The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
>> > > > left of the image. The game is Rugby.
>> > >
>> > > that's not a wall.
>> >
>> > It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be
>> > considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
>> > You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.
>>
>> Is obtuse the correct word?
>
>Obtuse is the perfect word for this individual.
>
>OBTUSE ?b?t(y)o?osäb?t(y)o?os
>
>adjective
>1 annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand: he wondered if the doctor was 
>being deliberately obtuse.
>•difficult to understand: some of the lyrics are a bit obtuse.
>
>ORIGIN
>
>late Middle English(in the sense ‘blunt’): from Latin obtusus, past 
>participle of obtundere ‘beat against’.

That last bit sounds about right.
-- 

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Eric Stevens 

	
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> 
>> On 10/27/2017 11:25 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> On Oct 27, 2017, nospam wrote
>>> (in article<271020172318287476%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
>>>
>>>> In article<6hs7vc581t86gj8v8g412fihnd5m54losm@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
>>>><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
>>>>>>>>> carrier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no it doesn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> playing football.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
>>>>>> for that matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Duh!
>>>>>
>>>>> The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
>>>>> left of the image. The game is Rugby.
>>>>
>>>> that's not a wall.
>>>
>>> It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be
>>> considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
>>> You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.
>>
>> Is obtuse the correct word?
> 
> Obtuse is the perfect word for this individual.
> 
> OBTUSE əbˈt(y)o͞osäbˈt(y)o͞os
> 
> adjective
> 1 annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand: he wondered if the doctor was
> being deliberately obtuse.
> •difficult to understand: some of the lyrics are a bit obtuse.
> 
> ORIGIN
> 
> late Middle English(in the sense ‘blunt’): from Latin obtusus, past
> participle of obtundere ‘beat against’.
> 

I had a stronger synonym in mind. But won't belabor the point.

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<"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:

>On 10/27/2017 11:25 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>> On Oct 27, 2017, nospam wrote
>> (in article<271020172318287476%nospam@nospam.invalid>):
>> 
>>> In article<6hs7vc581t86gj8v8g412fihnd5m54losm@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
>>><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
>>>>>>>> carrier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no it doesn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
>>>>>
>>>>> playing football.
>>>>>
>>>>> the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
>>>>> for that matter.
>>>>
>>>> Duh!
>>>>
>>>> The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
>>>> left of the image. The game is Rugby.
>>>
>>> that's not a wall.
>> 
>> It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be
>> considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
>> You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.
>> 
>
>Is obtuse the correct word?

Well, he is being obtuse in that he doesn't show any sign of
understanding the metaphorical use of "wall".  

Anyone should be quite familiar with that type of use.  We speak of a
wall of water in a flash flood or tidal wave, a wall of obstruction by
the opposing political party, a "Chinese wall" where information
deliberately isn't shared, long distance runners hitting the wall, and
many other types of walls that are not physical constructions.

You might also say he's being excessively literal in ignoring that the
word "wall" can be used metaphorically or allegorically (a symbolic
representation).  

But, I would think that Eric would know by now that nospam enters
threads with the sole intent to argue based on a pathetic need to be
noticed and paid attention to.  Any response to nospam gets a response
from nospam, so he is always the last to comment on anything.  He'll
keep anything going to maintain face time here.

This particular objection, though, was a stretch even for nospam.  

Speaking of sports metaphors where human figures were represented by
physical objects, a couple of the best were Tim Cohane's description
of the Fordham University's 1929/1930s football offensive line as "The
Seven Blocks of Granite" and Grantland Rice's description of that same
Fordham line saying "The Fordham Wall Still Stands".

Rice also metaphorically compared human figures to apocalyptic figures
in describing the 1924 Notre Dame backfield as "The Four Horsemen" and
mixed his metaphor by also describing them as the crest of a cyclone.
And, managed to describe the flat field of the Polo Grounds as
containing a precipice and being a green plain at the same time.

 
-- 
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida 

	
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> >>>>>>>> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
> >>>>>>>> carrier.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> no it doesn't.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> playing football.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
> >>>>> for that matter.
> >>>>
> >>>> Duh!
> >>>>
> >>>> The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
> >>>> left of the image. The game is Rugby.
> >>>
> >>> that's not a wall.
> >> 
> >> It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be
> >> considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
> >> You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.
> >
> >Is obtuse the correct word?
> 
> Well, he is being obtuse in that he doesn't show any sign of
> understanding the metaphorical use of "wall".  

now i do, but not when he initially said 'a giant wall is about to
descend'. 

not everyone plays rugby and knows what the terminology is.

> Anyone should be quite familiar with that type of use.  We speak of a
> wall of water in a flash flood or tidal wave, a wall of obstruction by
> the opposing political party, a "Chinese wall" where information
> deliberately isn't shared, long distance runners hitting the wall, and
> many other types of walls that are not physical constructions.

he used the word wall without a descriptor ('a wall is about to
descend'), versus your examples (wall of water, chinese wall).

you bash me for not being clear (even when what i write is clear as can
be) yet you give a free pass when others are not.

> You might also say he's being excessively literal in ignoring that the
> word "wall" can be used metaphorically or allegorically (a symbolic
> representation).  
> 
> But, I would think that Eric would know by now that nospam enters
> threads with the sole intent to argue based on a pathetic need to be
> noticed and paid attention to.  Any response to nospam gets a response
> from nospam, so he is always the last to comment on anything.  He'll
> keep anything going to maintain face time here.

absolute utter nonsense. 

you are *delusional* if you think that. 

your post here is nothing more than an opportunity to bash and the
*only* reason you posted what you did. 

your other posts completely twist what i say just to argue, including
when you know absolutely nothing about the topic, as was the case with
the dcc subthread, showing just how incredibly stupid you really are. 

	
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>In article<fijavchjqhi5dnql9vkon1bipnepdkpmvc@4ax.com>, Tony Cooper
><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >>>>>>>> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
>> >>>>>>>> carrier.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> no it doesn't.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the photograph?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> playing football.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone else
>> >>>>> for that matter.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Duh!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
>> >>>> left of the image. The game is Rugby.
>> >>>
>> >>> that's not a wall.
>> >> 
>> >> It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be
>> >> considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
>> >> You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.
>> >
>> >Is obtuse the correct word?
>> 
>> Well, he is being obtuse in that he doesn't show any sign of
>> understanding the metaphorical use of "wall".  
>
>now i do, but not when he initially said 'a giant wall is about to
>descend'. 
>
>not everyone plays rugby and knows what the terminology is.

It's not rugby terminology.  I even gave you a 1929/1930s American
football reference ("The Fordham Wall Still Stands") that you snipped.
It's just a word that can be used in any context to describe a mass of
opposition.
>
>> Anyone should be quite familiar with that type of use.  We speak of a
>> wall of water in a flash flood or tidal wave, a wall of obstruction by
>> the opposing political party, a "Chinese wall" where information
>> deliberately isn't shared, long distance runners hitting the wall, and
>> many other types of walls that are not physical constructions.
>
>he used the word wall without a descriptor ('a wall is about to
>descend'), versus your examples (wall of water, chinese wall).

"The Fordham Wall Still Stands", used by Grantland Rice, has no
descriptor.  When someone comments about a runner saying "He hit the
wall", there's no descriptor.  

>you bash me for not being clear (even when what i write is clear as can
>be) yet you give a free pass when others are not.

Poor baby.  Eric's comment was crystal clear to me, and probably to
all others who read it.

>
>> You might also say he's being excessively literal in ignoring that the
>> word "wall" can be used metaphorically or allegorically (a symbolic
>> representation).  
>> 
>> But, I would think that Eric would know by now that nospam enters
>> threads with the sole intent to argue based on a pathetic need to be
>> noticed and paid attention to.  Any response to nospam gets a response
>> from nospam, so he is always the last to comment on anything.  He'll
>> keep anything going to maintain face time here.
>
>absolute utter nonsense. 
>
>you are *delusional* if you think that. 

If you didn't understand it was a metaphorical reference, or didn't
know what was meant, then you should have asked what it meant.  Or
kept out of it.  Instead, you chose to make a silly-ass comment about
a real wall in the background just to give you another chance to
create an argument.

>your post here is nothing more than an opportunity to bash and the
>*only* reason you posted what you did. 

Yeah, you certainly did give me that opportunity.  You've created
another argument for no good reason and made yourself look stupid in
the process.
>
>your other posts completely twist what i say just to argue, including
>when you know absolutely nothing about the topic, as was the case with
>the dcc subthread, showing just how incredibly stupid you really are.

You commented on something you admitted here you know absolutely
nothing about just to argue.  You looked at an image with "All Blacks"
in the link name, and saw a player - obviously not in American
football kit - grasping a ball and being tackled, and thought it was
football (soccer).  Error piled on error.


-- 
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida 

	
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> >> >>>>>>>> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
> >> >>>>>>>> carrier.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> no it doesn't.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the
> >> >>>>>> photograph?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> playing football.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone
> >> >>>>> else for that matter.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Duh!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
> >> >>>> left of the image. The game is Rugby.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> that's not a wall.
> >> >> 
> >> >> It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be
> >> >> considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
> >> >> You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.
> >> >
> >> >Is obtuse the correct word?
> >> 
> >> Well, he is being obtuse in that he doesn't show any sign of
> >> understanding the metaphorical use of "wall".  
> >
> >now i do, but not when he initially said 'a giant wall is about to
> >descend'. 
> >
> >not everyone plays rugby and knows what the terminology is.
> 
> It's not rugby terminology. 

he said the game is rugby.

if it's not rugby terminology, then how can anyone expect to know what
was meant.

> I even gave you a 1929/1930s American
> football reference ("The Fordham Wall Still Stands") that you snipped.
> It's just a word that can be used in any context to describe a mass of
> opposition.

i have *zero* interest in football and not up on the terminology, nor
do i care, whether it's modern or from 90 years ago.

it's an incredibly stupid and boring game, one which causes brain
damage in the players, and apparently, some of the fans. 

	
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>In article<n5pavctau1j8hshfqmoa4g3h4c9ju4i2vj@4ax.com>, Tony Cooper
><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >>>>>>>> It looks as though a giant wall is about to descend on the ball
>> >> >>>>>>>> carrier.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> no it doesn't.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> What do you think those guys are doing in the left of the
>> >> >>>>>> photograph?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> playing football.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> the wall is in the background, unaffected by those guys or anyone
>> >> >>>>> else for that matter.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Duh!
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> The wall that is about to descend is composed of the players on the
>> >> >>>> left of the image. The game is Rugby.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> that's not a wall.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> It is a figurative wall much like a gridiron scrimmage line could be
>> >> >> considered a figurative wall, not a literal brick wall.
>> >> >> You are being a bit too obtuse in pressing your POV.
>> >> >
>> >> >Is obtuse the correct word?
>> >> 
>> >> Well, he is being obtuse in that he doesn't show any sign of
>> >> understanding the metaphorical use of "wall".  
>> >
>> >now i do, but not when he initially said 'a giant wall is about to
>> >descend'. 
>> >
>> >not everyone plays rugby and knows what the terminology is.
>> 
>> It's not rugby terminology. 
>
>he said the game is rugby.
>
>if it's not rugby terminology, then how can anyone expect to know what
>was meant.

Most people could make the connection based on other metaphorical uses
of "wall".  It's commonly done thing, and lack of exposure to sports
has nothing to do with it.  

To me, it's like a _New Yorker_ magazine cartoon that I don't get
because it's a reference to something only a Manhatteanite would get.
If I don't get it, I let it pass.  That's what you should have done.

>> I even gave you a 1929/1930s American
>> football reference ("The Fordham Wall Still Stands") that you snipped.
>> It's just a word that can be used in any context to describe a mass of
>> opposition.
>
>i have *zero* interest in football and not up on the terminology, nor
>do i care, whether it's modern or from 90 years ago.
>
>it's an incredibly stupid and boring game, one which causes brain
>damage in the players,

That's a perfectly valid opinion that is shared by many.  While I
respect the right of others to take that position, I don't agree with
it.  In fact, I will be attending a (American) football game this
afternoon watching one grandson in a (Pop Warner) division
championship game.  He's #41 in this photo:

https://photos.smugmug.com/Footbal-2017-Anton-2/i-PnTJ2gn/0/e87a8ff2...

While I'm aware of the injury potential, I'd rather see the two
grandsons engaged in sports and not chained (metaphorical usage,
there) to the television or game console as so many of their age are.

I'll be happier when their baseball season starts.
-- 
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida 

	
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> While I'm aware of the injury potential, I'd rather see the two
> grandsons engaged in sports and not chained (metaphorical usage,
> there) to the television or game console as so many of their age are.
> 
> I'll be happier when their baseball season starts.

Soo... They ain't President material to begin with then?
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>In article<qanbvctu2qd0seed8p1ffltosh90dn69li@4ax.com>,
> Tony Cooper<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> While I'm aware of the injury potential, I'd rather see the two
>> grandsons engaged in sports and not chained (metaphorical usage,
>> there) to the television or game console as so many of their age are.
>> 
>> I'll be happier when their baseball season starts.
>
>Soo... They ain't President material to begin with then?

I'm not sure what you mean.  They are quite into sports and play
football and baseball during the seasons, but they are both honor
students.  Anything less than a B in any subject would mean their
mother would not let them engage in any school sport.  So far, that
hasn't happened.

Academic qualifications doesn't seem to have much to do with being
Presidential material.  A vivid imagination involving sights and
things that didn't happen, and a willingness to lie about anything and
everything, got the current President in office.

-- 
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida 

	
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> >> I'll be happier when their baseball season starts.
> >
> >Soo... They ain't President material to begin with then?
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean.  

Football could damage your Presidency...

"angered President Johnson, who accused Ford of having played "too much 
football without a helmet"

And he never got elected for that said office by the GP, you know...

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford#House_Minority_Leader_.281...
E2.80.931973.29>
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> Academic qualifications doesn't seem to have much to do with being
> Presidential material.  A vivid imagination involving sights and
> things that didn't happen, and a willingness to lie about anything and
> everything, got the current President in office.

if that were true, then hillary would have won. 

	
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In article <291020171213472146%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
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> In article<qjtbvcpmr6qnmijkgcepe6g16etoo6blso@4ax.com>, Tony Cooper
><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Academic qualifications doesn't seem to have much to do with being
> > Presidential material.  A vivid imagination involving sights and
> > things that didn't happen, and a willingness to lie about anything and
> > everything, got the current President in office.
> 
> if that were true, then hillary would have won.

I think that it's good not only for America but for the world community 
as a whole to get to study a back room character like van Trump live in 
the open...
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