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Hmmm.  They've come almost full circle.  Not back to flipping mirrors and prisms, but the body of
this camera is essentially like that of a DSLR, though it is mirrorless. Certain specifications
(full-resolution burst modes, etc., have already exceeded DSLR capabilities). Meanwhile, Panasonic
is following other makers in their quest to sell to the upper-middle and upper-classes, since the
middle class has been declining or simply moved to phones.  The body is around $2000.00. 

	
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In article<c15a5988-788c-43ce-9e21-69011d62bf13@googlegroups.com>, Rich 
A says...
> The body is around $2000.00.

You mean Canadian dollars? Should be 1700 USD/Euro.

The body is indeed big & heavy.
-- 
Alfred Molon

Olympus E-series DSLRs and micro 4/3 forum at
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/
http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site 

	
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On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:08:53 PM UTC-5, Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article<c15a5988-788c-43ce-9e21-69011d62bf13@googlegroups.com>, Rich 
> A says...
> > The body is around $2000.00.
> 
> You mean Canadian dollars? Should be 1700 USD/Euro.
> 
> The body is indeed big & heavy.
 
It's magnesium (to its credit) and like a DSLR so yes, heavy.  IMO, this divergence from the
original promise of the m4/3rds system (compactness) is probably a mistake.  Sony has even kept
their FF bodies compact. 

	
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 Rich A<rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:08:53 PM UTC-5, Alfred Molon wrote:
> > In article<c15a5988-788c-43ce-9e21-69011d62bf13@googlegroups.com>, Rich 
> > A says...
> > > The body is around $2000.00.
> > 
> > You mean Canadian dollars? Should be 1700 USD/Euro.
> > 
> > The body is indeed big & heavy.
>  
> It's magnesium (to its credit) and like a DSLR so yes, heavy.  IMO, this 
> divergence from the original promise of the m4/3rds system (compactness) is 
> probably a mistake.  Sony has even kept their FF bodies compact.

The sensor size of the m4/3 is inherited from the 4/3 that made the same 
promise... I had an Olympus Evolt-E300 and it was not compact at all! I 
turned out that if yu wanted the same brightness, noise and DOF as 
achieved by larger sensor cams then you had to make and use big lenses 
with a lot of glass. Lot's of pain but no gain...
-- 
teleportation kills 

	
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On 11/9/2017 11:35 PM, android wrote:
> In article<0e6f2c5e-9e6a-4f86-bdaa-dca71912a002@googlegroups.com>,
>   Rich A<rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:08:53 PM UTC-5, Alfred Molon wrote:
>>> In article<c15a5988-788c-43ce-9e21-69011d62bf13@googlegroups.com>, Rich
>>> A says...
>>>> The body is around $2000.00.
>>>
>>> You mean Canadian dollars? Should be 1700 USD/Euro.
>>>
>>> The body is indeed big & heavy.
>>   
>> It's magnesium (to its credit) and like a DSLR so yes, heavy.  IMO, this
>> divergence from the original promise of the m4/3rds system (compactness) is
>> probably a mistake.  Sony has even kept their FF bodies compact.
> 
> The sensor size of the m4/3 is inherited from the 4/3 that made the same
> promise... I had an Olympus Evolt-E300 and it was not compact at all! I
> turned out that if yu wanted the same brightness, noise and DOF as
> achieved by larger sensor cams then you had to make and use big lenses
> with a lot of glass. Lot's of pain but no gain...
> 

One of my friends went to Fuji. When he puts his 100-400 on it, the feel 
of weight difference is not all that much different from the D500, with 
the 80-400. I will add that with the Fuji 100-400, is a great lens.

-- 
PeterN 

	
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On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 11:35:44 PM UTC-5, android wrote:
> In article<0e6f2c5e-9e6a-4f86-bdaa-dca71912a002@googlegroups.com>,
>  Rich A<rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:08:53 PM UTC-5, Alfred Molon wrote:
> > > In article<c15a5988-788c-43ce-9e21-69011d62bf13@googlegroups.com>, Rich 
> > > A says...
> > > > The body is around $2000.00.
> > > 
> > > You mean Canadian dollars? Should be 1700 USD/Euro.
> > > 
> > > The body is indeed big & heavy.
> >  
> > It's magnesium (to its credit) and like a DSLR so yes, heavy.  IMO, this 
> > divergence from the original promise of the m4/3rds system (compactness) is 
> > probably a mistake.  Sony has even kept their FF bodies compact.
> 
> The sensor size of the m4/3 is inherited from the 4/3 that made the same 
> promise... I had an Olympus Evolt-E300 and it was not compact at all! I 
> turned out that if yu wanted the same brightness, noise and DOF as 
> achieved by larger sensor cams then you had to make and use big lenses 
> with a lot of glass. Lot's of pain but no gain...
> -- 
> teleportation kills

The E-510/410 were the first arguably compact Olympus DSLR's, the E-410 especially. 

	
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In article<f69fb74b-224e-416f-8c29-426b216ac7a8@googlegroups.com>,
 Rich A<rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 11:35:44 PM UTC-5, android wrote:
> > In article<0e6f2c5e-9e6a-4f86-bdaa-dca71912a002@googlegroups.com>,
> >  Rich A<rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:08:53 PM UTC-5, Alfred Molon wrote:
> > > > In article<c15a5988-788c-43ce-9e21-69011d62bf13@googlegroups.com>, 
> > > > Rich 
> > > > A says...
> > > > > The body is around $2000.00.
> > > > 
> > > > You mean Canadian dollars? Should be 1700 USD/Euro.
> > > > 
> > > > The body is indeed big & heavy.
> > >  
> > > It's magnesium (to its credit) and like a DSLR so yes, heavy.  IMO, this 
> > > divergence from the original promise of the m4/3rds system (compactness) 
> > > is 
> > > probably a mistake.  Sony has even kept their FF bodies compact.
> > 
> > The sensor size of the m4/3 is inherited from the 4/3 that made the same 
> > promise... I had an Olympus Evolt-E300 and it was not compact at all! I 
> > turned out that if yu wanted the same brightness, noise and DOF as 
> > achieved by larger sensor cams then you had to make and use big lenses 
> > with a lot of glass. Lot's of pain but no gain...
> > -- 
> > teleportation kills
> 
> The E-510/410 were the first arguably compact Olympus DSLR's, the E-410 
> especially.  

The point is that the 4/3 and m4/3 have the same silly small sensor size 
and you don't gain anything with it if you want to maintain IQ. In my 
opinion APS-C is the smallest sensors for serous photography. Telephones 
and such are great to have for opportunistic work thou!
-- 
teleportation kills 

	
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On Saturday, 11 November 2017 08:26:53 UTC-8, android  wrote:
> In article<f69fb74b-224e-416f-8c29-426b216ac7a8@googlegroups.com>,
>  Rich A<rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 11:35:44 PM UTC-5, android wrote:
> > > In article<0e6f2c5e-9e6a-4f86-bdaa-dca71912a002@googlegroups.com>,
> > >  Rich A<rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:08:53 PM UTC-5, Alfred Molon wrote:
> > > > > In article<c15a5988-788c-43ce-9e21-69011d62bf13@googlegroups.com>, 
> > > > > Rich 
> > > > > A says...
> > > > > > The body is around $2000.00.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You mean Canadian dollars? Should be 1700 USD/Euro.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The body is indeed big & heavy.
> > > >  
> > > > It's magnesium (to its credit) and like a DSLR so yes, heavy.  IMO, this 
> > > > divergence from the original promise of the m4/3rds system (compactness) 
> > > > is 
> > > > probably a mistake.  Sony has even kept their FF bodies compact.
> > > 
> > > The sensor size of the m4/3 is inherited from the 4/3 that made the same 
> > > promise... I had an Olympus Evolt-E300 and it was not compact at all! I 
> > > turned out that if yu wanted the same brightness, noise and DOF as 
> > > achieved by larger sensor cams then you had to make and use big lenses 
> > > with a lot of glass. Lot's of pain but no gain...
> > > -- 
> > > teleportation kills
> > 
> > The E-510/410 were the first arguably compact Olympus DSLR's, the E-410 
> > especially.  
> 
> The point is that the 4/3 and m4/3 have the same silly small sensor size 
> and you don't gain anything with it if you want to maintain IQ. In my 
> opinion APS-C is the smallest sensors for serous photography.  

Some would argue FF is the smallest. But it's B.S.  "Serious" photography? 

	
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In article<cf64e864-e423-4a9d-8df6-e9ed831b8d06@googlegroups.com>,
 RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, 11 November 2017 08:26:53 UTC-8, android  wrote:
> > In article<f69fb74b-224e-416f-8c29-426b216ac7a8@googlegroups.com>,
> >  Rich A<rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 11:35:44 PM UTC-5, android wrote:
> > > > In article<0e6f2c5e-9e6a-4f86-bdaa-dca71912a002@googlegroups.com>,
> > > >  Rich A<rander3127@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:08:53 PM UTC-5, Alfred Molon 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > In article<c15a5988-788c-43ce-9e21-69011d62bf13@googlegroups.com>, 
> > > > > > Rich 
> > > > > > A says...
> > > > > > > The body is around $2000.00.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You mean Canadian dollars? Should be 1700 USD/Euro.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The body is indeed big & heavy.
> > > > >  
> > > > > It's magnesium (to its credit) and like a DSLR so yes, heavy.  IMO, 
> > > > > this 
> > > > > divergence from the original promise of the m4/3rds system 
> > > > > (compactness) 
> > > > > is 
> > > > > probably a mistake.  Sony has even kept their FF bodies compact.
> > > > 
> > > > The sensor size of the m4/3 is inherited from the 4/3 that made the 
> > > > same 
> > > > promise... I had an Olympus Evolt-E300 and it was not compact at all! I 
> > > > turned out that if yu wanted the same brightness, noise and DOF as 
> > > > achieved by larger sensor cams then you had to make and use big lenses 
> > > > with a lot of glass. Lot's of pain but no gain...
> > > > -- 
> > > > teleportation kills
> > > 
> > > The E-510/410 were the first arguably compact Olympus DSLR's, the E-410 
> > > especially.  
> > 
> > The point is that the 4/3 and m4/3 have the same silly small sensor size 
> > and you don't gain anything with it if you want to maintain IQ. In my 
> > opinion APS-C is the smallest sensors for serous photography.  
> 
> Some would argue FF is the smallest. But it's B.S.  

My 1D2, APS-H 8MP takes way better picture than my EOS M, APS-C 18MP. 
There are newer cameras out there but you still have to shoot within 
their envelopes! The curves are raver similar actually...

<https://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EOS-M-ver...
Canon-EOS-1D-Mark-II___819_431>

The big win for the 1D2 is color sensitivity and separation, but you 
have to study the cams separately to see that in the DxOMark.com data

> "Serious" photography?

You know it when you see it!
-- 
teleportation kills