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I recently bought a 6D mkII.

It is obviously a superior camera to the 1000D that I have had for some time. The problem 
is, I have an EFS lens (Sigma 10-20) which cannot be used on the full frame.

I sort of decided to keep the old camera body just for that lens (and maybe for the 400 - 
does that make sense?).

Then I thought; should I sell the old body complete with lens? Trouble is, a new wide 
angle lens for the 6D would probably cost more than I'd get for the sale. But I'd have 
better quality wide angle.

Another factor is, the 1000D is very light, so it's not much to carry around.

Opinions?


-- 
Paul. 

	
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On Tuesday, 19 December 2017 04:46:02 UTC-5, Paul Carmichael  wrote:
> I recently bought a 6D mkII.
> 
> It is obviously a superior camera to the 1000D that I have had for some time. The problem 
> is, I have an EFS lens (Sigma 10-20) which cannot be used on the full frame.
> 
> I sort of decided to keep the old camera body just for that lens (and maybe for the 400 - 
> does that make sense?).
> 
> Then I thought; should I sell the old body complete with lens? Trouble is, a new wide 
> angle lens for the 6D would probably cost more than I'd get for the sale. But I'd have 
> better quality wide angle.
> 
> Another factor is, the 1000D is very light, so it's not much to carry around.
> 
> Opinions?
> 
> 
> -- 
> Paul.

There are better wide angles available now.  Dump the camera and the lens and get something that can
do justice to the FF. 

	
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On 19/12/17 12:40, RichA wrote:
> On Tuesday, 19 December 2017 04:46:02 UTC-5, Paul Carmichael  wrote:
>> I recently bought a 6D mkII.
>>
>> It is obviously a superior camera to the 1000D that I have had for some time. The problem
>> is, I have an EFS lens (Sigma 10-20) which cannot be used on the full frame.
>>
>> I sort of decided to keep the old camera body just for that lens (and maybe for the 400 -
>> does that make sense?).
>>
>> Then I thought; should I sell the old body complete with lens? Trouble is, a new wide
>> angle lens for the 6D would probably cost more than I'd get for the sale. But I'd have
>> better quality wide angle.
>>
>> Another factor is, the 1000D is very light, so it's not much to carry around.
>>
>> Opinions?

> There are better wide angles available now.  Dump the camera and the lens and get something that
can do justice to the FF.
> 

Looks like the lens might be worth something still:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sigma-10-20mm-f4-5-6-EX-DC-HSM-Canon-fit-...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sigma-10-20mm-Ultra-Wide-DC-HSM-Autofocus...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sigma-10-20mm-f-4-5-6-EX-DC-HSM-Wide-Angl...

The body's got to be worth 100 euros, I would have thought.

So if I can get 200 euros for the pair, that would go half way to this:

https://www.foto24.com/objetivo-samyang-14mm-f-2-8-if-ed-umc-aspheri...

I am going to end up with a fleet of Samyangs.

-- 
Paul.

  https://paulc.es/
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On 19/12/17 15:55, Paul Carmichael wrote:

> https://www.foto24.com/objetivo-samyang-14mm-f-2-8-if-ed-umc-aspheri... 
>

Except if you add canon mount it rises to 525 euros.

Anyone here know if there's any difference between that and this:

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B004CS2VMQ?tag=thedigitalp0d-21

?

-- 
Paul.

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> On 19/12/17 15:55, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>
> > https://www.foto24.com/objetivo-samyang-14mm-f-2-8-if-ed-umc-aspheri...
> > r-gran-angular.html
>
> Except if you add canon mount it rises to 525 euros.
>
> Anyone here know if there's any difference between that and this:
>
> https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B004CS2VMQ?tag=thedigitalp0d-21
>
> ?

After your last experience buying your new camera, I would be wary of what 
those Spanish site tell you.

To start with those are over priced for Samyang lenses. The Canon mount 
Samyang 14mm UW f/2.8 IF UD UMC is available at B&H for $279. The Foto24 site 
is showing the correct lens at $51 more than it should be.

Samyang also have a much more expensive, slightly faster XP 14mm f/2.4, still 
manual-focus for $999.

The Samyang AF 14mm f/2.8 FE is not a Canon mount. It is an auto-focus lens 
for the Sony E-mount and that sells at B&H for $699.

It looks as though that Spanish Amazon site is trying to screw you by showing 
a picture of the correct lens, but with the wrong model number. My Spanish is 
nonexistant, so I am not sure what they are claiming.

There are no Canon mount Samyang auto-focus lenses, so if you see the AF 
prefix it will not fit your camera. All the Canon mount Samyang lenses are 
all manual.

Go to the Samyang site and see for yourself.

<https://www.samyanglensglobal.com/product/detail.do>
<https://www.samyanglensglobal.com>

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> > On 19/12/17 15:55, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > > https://www.foto24.com/objetivo-samyang-14mm-f-2-8-if-ed-umc-aspheri...
> > > r-gran-angular.html
> >
> > Except if you add canon mount it rises to 525 euros.
> >
> > Anyone here know if there's any difference between that and this:
> >
> > https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B004CS2VMQ?tag=thedigitalp0d-21
> >
> > ?

For some reason, this reply came empty from the german server.
 
> After your last experience buying your new camera, I would be wary of what 
> those Spanish site tell you.

To be fair, it wasn't a Spanish site. It was British in Gibraltar.
 
> To start with those are over priced for Samyang lenses. The Canon mount 
> Samyang 14mm UW f/2.8 IF UD UMC is available at B&H for $279. The Foto24 site 
> is showing the correct lens at $51 more than it should be.
> 
> Samyang also have a much more expensive, slightly faster XP 14mm f/2.4, still 
> manual-focus for $999.
> 
> The Samyang AF 14mm f/2.8 FE is not a Canon mount. It is an auto-focus lens 
> for the Sony E-mount and that sells at B&H for $699.
> 
> It looks as though that Spanish Amazon site is trying to screw you by showing 
> a picture of the correct lens, but with the wrong model number. My Spanish is 
> nonexistant, so I am not sure what they are claiming.
> 
> There are no Canon mount Samyang auto-focus lenses, so if you see the AF 
> prefix it will not fit your camera. All the Canon mount Samyang lenses are 
> all manual.

I'll keep investigating. 

	
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On 2017-12-20 10:06:13 +0000, wibbleypants@gmail.com said:

> On Tuesday, 19 December 2017 21:45:28 UTC+1, Savageduck  wrote:
>> On Dec 19, 2017, Paul Carmichael wrote
>> (in article<f9t65lFtlclU1@mid.individual.net>):
>> 
>>> On 19/12/17 15:55, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>> 
>>>> https://www.foto24.com/objetivo-samyang-14mm-f-2-8-if-ed-umc-aspheri...
>>>> r-gran-angular.html
>>> 
>>> Except if you add canon mount it rises to 525 euros.
>>> 
>>> Anyone here know if there's any difference between that and this:
>>> 
>>> https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B004CS2VMQ?tag=thedigitalp0d-21
>>> 
>>> ?
> 
> For some reason, this reply came empty from the german server.
> 
>> After your last experience buying your new camera, I would be wary of what
>> those Spanish site tell you.
> 
> To be fair, it wasn't a Spanish site. It was British in Gibraltar.
> 
>> To start with those are over priced for Samyang lenses. The Canon mount
>> Samyang 14mm UW f/2.8 IF UD UMC is available at B&H for $279. The Foto24 site
>> is showing the correct lens at $51 more than it should be.
>> 
>> Samyang also have a much more expensive, slightly faster XP 14mm f/2.4, still
>> manual-focus for $999.
>> 
>> The Samyang AF 14mm f/2.8 FE is not a Canon mount. It is an auto-focus lens
>> for the Sony E-mount and that sells at B&H for $699.
>> 
>> It looks as though that Spanish Amazon site is trying to screw you by showing
>> a picture of the correct lens, but with the wrong model number. My Spanish is
>> nonexistant, so I am not sure what they are claiming.
>> 
>> There are no Canon mount Samyang auto-focus lenses, so if you see the AF
>> prefix it will not fit your camera. All the Canon mount Samyang lenses are
>> all manual.
> 
> I'll keep investigating.

<http://www.cameraegg.org/yongnuo-yn-14mm-f2-8-ultra-wide-angle-prim... 

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> On 2017-12-20 10:06:13 +0000, wibbleypants@gmail.com said:
> 
> > On Tuesday, 19 December 2017 21:45:28 UTC+1, Savageduck  wrote:
> >> On Dec 19, 2017, Paul Carmichael wrote
> >> (in article<f9t65lFtlclU1@mid.individual.net>):
> >> 
> >>> On 19/12/17 15:55, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> https://www.foto24.com/objetivo-samyang-14mm-f-2-8-if-ed-umc-aspheri...
> >>>> r-gran-angular.html
> >>> 
> >>> Except if you add canon mount it rises to 525 euros.
> >>> 
> >>> Anyone here know if there's any difference between that and this:
> >>> 
> >>> https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B004CS2VMQ?tag=thedigitalp0d-21
> >>> 
> >>> ?
> > 
> > For some reason, this reply came empty from the german server.
> > 
> >> After your last experience buying your new camera, I would be wary of what
> >> those Spanish site tell you.
> > 
> > To be fair, it wasn't a Spanish site. It was British in Gibraltar.
> > 
> >> To start with those are over priced for Samyang lenses. The Canon mount
> >> Samyang 14mm UW f/2.8 IF UD UMC is available at B&H for $279. The Foto24 site
> >> is showing the correct lens at $51 more than it should be.
> >> 
> >> Samyang also have a much more expensive, slightly faster XP 14mm f/2.4, still
> >> manual-focus for $999.
> >> 
> >> The Samyang AF 14mm f/2.8 FE is not a Canon mount. It is an auto-focus lens
> >> for the Sony E-mount and that sells at B&H for $699.
> >> 
> >> It looks as though that Spanish Amazon site is trying to screw you by showing
> >> a picture of the correct lens, but with the wrong model number. My Spanish is
> >> nonexistant, so I am not sure what they are claiming.
> >> 
> >> There are no Canon mount Samyang auto-focus lenses, so if you see the AF
> >> prefix it will not fit your camera. All the Canon mount Samyang lenses are
> >> all manual.
> > 
> > I'll keep investigating.
> 
> <http://www.cameraegg.org/yongnuo-yn-14mm-f2-8-ultra-wide-angle-prim... 
> 
> -- 
> teleportation kills

Results of those Yongnuo Chinese AF lenses seem to be no so good, according to reviews so far.  Have
to wait and see since I believe a lot of for profit review sites have vested interests in keeping
the major brands on top. 

	
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On 2017-12-26 05:18:51 +0000, RichA said:

> On Saturday, 23 December 2017 10:08:24 UTC-5, android  wrote:
>> On 2017-12-20 10:06:13 +0000, wibbleypants@gmail.com said:
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, 19 December 2017 21:45:28 UTC+1, Savageduck  wrote:
>>>> On Dec 19, 2017, Paul Carmichael wrote
>>>> (in article<f9t65lFtlclU1@mid.individual.net>):
>>>> 
>>>>> On 19/12/17 15:55, Paul Carmichael wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.foto24.com/objetivo-samyang-14mm-f-2-8-if-ed-umc-aspheri...
>>>>>> r-gran-angular.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> Except if you add canon mount it rises to 525 euros.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone here know if there's any difference between that and this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B004CS2VMQ?tag=thedigitalp0d-21
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>> 
>>> For some reason, this reply came empty from the german server.
>>> 
>>>> After your last experience buying your new camera, I would be wary of what
>>>> those Spanish site tell you.
>>> 
>>> To be fair, it wasn't a Spanish site. It was British in Gibraltar.
>>> 
>>>> To start with those are over priced for Samyang lenses. The Canon mount
>>>> Samyang 14mm UW f/2.8 IF UD UMC is available at B&H for $279. The Foto24 site
>>>> is showing the correct lens at $51 more than it should be.
>>>> 
>>>> Samyang also have a much more expensive, slightly faster XP 14mm f/2.4, still
>>>> manual-focus for $999.
>>>> 
>>>> The Samyang AF 14mm f/2.8 FE is not a Canon mount. It is an auto-focus lens
>>>> for the Sony E-mount and that sells at B&H for $699.
>>>> 
>>>> It looks as though that Spanish Amazon site is trying to screw you by showing
>>>> a picture of the correct lens, but with the wrong model number. My Spanish is
>>>> nonexistant, so I am not sure what they are claiming.
>>>> 
>>>> There are no Canon mount Samyang auto-focus lenses, so if you see the AF
>>>> prefix it will not fit your camera. All the Canon mount Samyang lenses are
>>>> all manual.
>>> 
>>> I'll keep investigating.
>> 
>> <http://www.cameraegg.org/yongnuo-yn-14mm-f2-8-ultra-wide-angle-prim... 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> teleportation kills
> 
> Results of those Yongnuo Chinese AF lenses seem to be no so good, 
> according to reviews so far.  Have to wait and see since I believe a 
> lot of for profit review sites have vested interests in keeping the 
> major brands on top.

Yes, those links to resellers are that that keeps them going... The it 
comes to Canon though the autofocus firmware seem to be acceleratingly 
difficult to crack. Sigma, for example seem to have had problems 
getting the Manual Focus Override work transparently with their 1.4 Art 
lenses on never cameras like the 5D4 and 1Dx2. If that's important to 
you then do som research, like try before you buy.
-- 
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>> > I'll keep investigating.
>>
>> <http://www.cameraegg.org/yongnuo-yn-14mm-f2-8-ultra-wide-angle-prim...
>>
The Yongnuo lens shown on the link seems to be for the EOS mount but its 
AF-MF switch works in the opposite direction to Canon lenses. On Canon 
lenses you slide the switch towards the body for MF but on this Yongnuo lens 
you slide it to the body for AF. Seems a bit of an oversight by Yongnuo.

Rog. 

	
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On 2017-12-26 13:38:38 +0000, Roger said:

>>>> 
>>>> I'll keep investigating.
>>> 
>>> <http://www.cameraegg.org/yongnuo-yn-14mm-f2-8-ultra-wide-angle-prim... 
>>> 
>>> 
> The Yongnuo lens shown on the link seems to be for the EOS mount but 
> its AF-MF switch works in the opposite direction to Canon lenses. On 
> Canon lenses you slide the switch towards the body for MF but on this 
> Yongnuo lens you slide it to the body for AF. Seems a bit of an 
> oversight by Yongnuo.

Can be found on fleabay for USD 700 now. I'd be more interested in a 
Irix 14/2.8 Blackstone for that kinda of dough though!
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On Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:45:28 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
> On Dec 19, 2017, Paul Carmichael wrote
> (in article<f9t65lFtlclU1@mid.individual.net>):
> 
> > On 19/12/17 15:55, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> >
> > > https://www.foto24.com/objetivo-samyang-14mm-f-2-8-if-ed-umc-aspheri...
> > > r-gran-angular.html
> >
> > Except if you add canon mount it rises to 525 euros.
> >
> > Anyone here know if there's any difference between that and this:
> >
> > https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B004CS2VMQ?tag=thedigitalp0d-21
> >
> > ?
> 
> After your last experience buying your new camera, I would be wary of what 
> those Spanish site tell you.
> 
> To start with those are over priced for Samyang lenses. The Canon mount 
> Samyang 14mm UW f/2.8 IF UD UMC is available at B&H for $279. The Foto24 site 
> is showing the correct lens at $51 more than it should be.
> 
> Samyang also have a much more expensive, slightly faster XP 14mm f/2.4, still 
> manual-focus for $999.
> 
> The Samyang AF 14mm f/2.8 FE is not a Canon mount. It is an auto-focus lens 
> for the Sony E-mount and that sells at B&H for $699.
> 
> It looks as though that Spanish Amazon site is trying to screw you by showing 
> a picture of the correct lens, but with the wrong model number. My Spanish is 
> nonexistant, so I am not sure what they are claiming.
> 
> There are no Canon mount Samyang auto-focus lenses, so if you see the AF 
> prefix it will not fit your camera. All the Canon mount Samyang lenses are 
> all manual.
> 
> Go to the Samyang site and see for yourself.
> 
> <https://www.samyanglensglobal.com/product/detail.do>
> <https://www.samyanglensglobal.com>
> 
> -- 
> 
> Regards,
> Savageduck

Or get a Rokinon 10mm f/2.8 for $330 or so. Supposedly a very good lens. 

	
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On Tuesday, 19 December 2017 14:04:30 UTC-5, wibble...@gmail.com  wrote:
> On 19/12/17 15:55, Paul Carmichael wrote:
> 
> > https://www.foto24.com/objetivo-samyang-14mm-f-2-8-if-ed-umc-aspheri... 
> >
> 
> Except if you add canon mount it rises to 525 euros.
> 
> Anyone here know if there's any difference between that and this:
> 
> https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B004CS2VMQ?tag=thedigitalp0d-21
> 
> ?
> 
> -- 
> Paul.
> 
>   https://paulc.es/
>   https://asetrad.org

There are other choices, some non-AF, with a wide angle prime (10-12mm, which is where most people
use a 10-20mm lens anyway) you can get decent results, better and faster than the Sigma. 

	
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> https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B004CS2VMQ?tag=thedigitalp0d-21

Bought that, now waiting for the glue to dry.

Will report back in a few days...

-- 
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In article<f9s5ehFm1a6U1@mid.individual.net>, Paul Carmichael<wibbleypants@gmail.com> wrote:

> I recently bought a 6D mkII.
> 
> It is obviously a superior camera to the 1000D that I have had for some time.
> The problem 
> is, I have an EFS lens (Sigma 10-20) which cannot be used on the full frame.
> 
> I sort of decided to keep the old camera body just for that lens (and maybe
> for the 400 - 
> does that make sense?).

keeping a sigma lens never makes sense.