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>http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745

Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
exactly what their intention is. 

	
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> >http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
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> Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
> exactly what their intention is. 

they're prolonging the useful life of the device, avoiding unexpected
shutdowns due to aging batteries. 

	
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On 2017-12-21 12:06, Bill W wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
> 
> Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
> exactly what their intention is.

This shouldn't come as a discovery.  It should be in Apple's 
documentation online. 

	
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On Thursday, 21 December 2017 12:06:36 UTC-5, Bill W  wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
> 
> Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
> exactly what their intention is.

Why is it these Millenial-friendly hightech companies all think they know better than the consumer? 
Why not advise people that this is the case and let them CHOOSE to reduce the speed of the device? 
And what is so dire about getting a battery changed? 

	
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>On Thursday, 21 December 2017 12:06:36 UTC-5, Bill W  wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>> 
>> Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
>> exactly what their intention is.
>
>Why is it these Millenial-friendly hightech companies all think they know better than the consumer?
 Why not advise people that this is the case and let them CHOOSE to reduce the speed of the device?

I agree that they should have notified that they were doing that, but
this is being portrayed as just another nefarious act by Apple - or
really just another evil tech company of your choice. I think the
intentions were good, even if the method wasn't.

>  And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?

People who can afford pricey smartphones can probably afford to
replace the battery. 

	
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> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:22:36 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 12:06:36 UTC-5, Bill W  wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>>> 
>>> Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
>>> exactly what their intention is.
>> 
>> Why is it these Millenial-friendly hightech companies all think they 
>> know better than the consumer?  Why not advise people that this is the 
>> case and let them CHOOSE to reduce the speed of the device?
> 
> I agree that they should have notified that they were doing that, but
> this is being portrayed as just another nefarious act by Apple - or
> really just another evil tech company of your choice. I think the
> intentions were good, even if the method wasn't.
> 
>> And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?
> 
> People who can afford pricey smartphones can probably afford to
> replace the battery.

There would not be much harm in making phone and laptop batteries user 
replaceble again would it? They used to be. Other than loss in sales, 
that is... It would ad a mere1mm to the thicknes of the device...
-- 
teleportation kills 

	
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 12:00:55 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:

>On 2017-12-22 00:35:06 +0000, Bill W said:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:22:36 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 12:06:36 UTC-5, Bill W  wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>>>> 
>>>> Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
>>>> exactly what their intention is.
>>> 
>>> Why is it these Millenial-friendly hightech companies all think they 
>>> know better than the consumer?  Why not advise people that this is the 
>>> case and let them CHOOSE to reduce the speed of the device?
>> 
>> I agree that they should have notified that they were doing that, but
>> this is being portrayed as just another nefarious act by Apple - or
>> really just another evil tech company of your choice. I think the
>> intentions were good, even if the method wasn't.
>> 
>>> And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?
>> 
>> People who can afford pricey smartphones can probably afford to
>> replace the battery.
>
>There would not be much harm in making phone and laptop batteries user 
>replaceble again would it? They used to be. Other than loss in sales, 
>that is... It would ad a mere1mm to the thicknes of the device...

I agree with that. Even though they are still replaceable in many
cases, it takes some dexterity. 

	
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RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why is it these Millenial-friendly hightech companies all think they know
> better than the consumer? 

because the various companies have extensive repair, crash and
performance data that users do not.

> Why not advise people that this is the case and
> let them CHOOSE to reduce the speed of the device? 

because if users choose wrong (which they invariably will), the device
may crash, be permanently damaged or possibly worse.

new android malware cranks the cpu so hard that the phone
self-destructs:
<http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/12/20/cryptocurrency-mining-malwa...
oapi-capable-physically-damaging-phones/>
  The cryptocurrency mining module maintains a load sufficiently high
  enough to cause physical damage to a test device after two days 

	
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>> And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?
> 
> nothing. nobody is preventing anyone from doing exactly that.
> 
How easy is it to replace a battery in an iPhone.
 From what I read, not very.
Also see the comments to a pending NY right to repair bill. You will 
have to look for them.
<https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+8+Plus+Battery+Replacement/98260...

Don't bother telling us that most people get anew phone, before the 
battery craps out.

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> >> And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?
> > 
> > nothing. nobody is preventing anyone from doing exactly that.
> 
> How easy is it to replace a battery in an iPhone.

it depends on the iphone, but generally it's not that hard for someone
comfortable opening modern electronic devices. the tools are also
readily available for those who don't already have them, sometimes
included with the battery, as a complete kit.

for those not comfortable opening it up, apple charges $79 and that
comes with a full warranty and many times can be done while you wait at
an apple store.

third party repair shops can also swap batteries, however, both prices
and quality of work can vary. shop around.

>  From what I read, not very.

keep reading.

> Also see the comments to a pending NY right to repair bill. You will 
> have to look for them.
> <https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+8+Plus+Battery+Replacement/98260...

i'm well aware of the right to repair bill and that ifixit, who has a
vested interest in it, is aggressively pushing for it.

now go check out what ifixit has to say about replacing a battery in a
microsoft surface laptop:
<https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Teardown/92...
  Verdict: The Surface Laptop is not a laptop. It 

	
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> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 12:06:36 UTC-5, Bill W  wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 04:50:33 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>>
>> Why the scare quotes around "save batteries"? It appears that's
>> exactly what their intention is.
> 
> Why is it these Millenial-friendly hightech companies all think they know better than the
consumer?  Why not advise people that this is the case and let them CHOOSE to reduce the speed of
the device?  And what is so dire about getting a battery changed?

Apparently old batteries simply can not supply the peak power demanded
by the phone, so what would happen is that the phone would simply crash
or power off instantly, which is worse that running slower.

Yes, they should tell users of the situation. But it is not evil.

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Lawsuits:
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285

This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use their Tesla's for anything
but personal driving, he'd cut off their ability to charge. 

	
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> 
> Lawsuits:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
> 
> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use their Tesla's for anything
but personal driving, he'd cut off their ability to charge.

Which he actually does. Here Tesla is about to prohibit using their
(free?) charging spots on commercially used cars (including government
cars, taxis, Uber...).

<https://hipertextual.com/2017/12/tesla-prohibe-taxistas-conductores-...

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> On 2017-12-23 00:52, RichA wrote:
> > On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
> > 
> > Lawsuits:
> > http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
> > 
> > This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use their Tesla's for
anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their ability to charge.
> 
> Which he actually does. Here Tesla is about to prohibit using their
> (free?) charging spots on commercially used cars (including government
> cars, taxis, Uber...).
> 
>
<https://hipertextual.com/2017/12/tesla-prohibe-taxistas-conductores-...
> 
> -- 
> Cheers, Carlos.

There are a number of government (tax-payer) sponsored free charging outlets in Toronto.  Good luck
with them, Musk. 

	
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> 
> Lawsuits:
> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
> 
> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use 
> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their 
> ability to charge.

Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 

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> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
> 
>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>> 
>> Lawsuits:
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
>> 
>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use 
>> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their 
>> ability to charge.
> 
> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 
> 

Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated 
so if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers 
your car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from 
like coal to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency. 
Conclusion: electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we 
generate electricity with hydrogen reactors.
-- 
teleportation kills 

	
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>> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
>>
>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>>>
>>> Lawsuits:
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
>>>
>>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they
>>> use their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off
>>> their ability to charge.
>>
>> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall.
>> Whatever!
>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a...
>>
> 
> Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated so
> if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers your
> car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from like coal
> to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency. Conclusion:
> electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we generate
> electricity with hydrogen reactors.

That is arguable.

For instance, it is possible that fuel is better burnt and with higher
efficiency on those places than in a small car.

Then there are solar plants, windmills, hydro, etc.


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>On 2017-12-23 15:04:31 +0000, android said:
>
>> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
>> 
>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>>> 
>>> Lawsuits:
>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
>>> 
>>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use 
>>> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their 
>>> ability to charge.
>> 
>> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 
>> 
>
>Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated 
>so if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers 
>your car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from 
>like coal to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency. 
>Conclusion: electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we 
>generate electricity with hydrogen reactors.

 ... or new types of nuclear reactors.
-- 

Regards,

Eric Stevens 

	
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>> On 2017-12-23 15:04:31 +0000, android said:
>> 
>>> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
>>> 
>>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>>>> 
>>>> Lawsuits:
>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
>>>> 
>>>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use
>>>> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their
>>>> ability to charge.
>>> 
>>> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
>>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated
>> so if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers
>> your car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from
>> like coal to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency.
>> Conclusion: electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we
>> generate electricity with hydrogen reactors.
> 
>  ... or new types of nuclear reactors.

Fission, uranium reactors are safe handled safely. Fusion, hydrogen 
would be even safer, unless Goldfinger gets the one he has on 
backorder...
-- 
teleportation kills 

	
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>On 2018-01-08 03:00:46 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:22:23 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2017-12-23 15:04:31 +0000, android said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lawsuits:
>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use
>>>>> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their
>>>>> ability to charge.
>>>> 
>>>> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
>>>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated
>>> so if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers
>>> your car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from
>>> like coal to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency.
>>> Conclusion: electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we
>>> generate electricity with hydrogen reactors.
>> 
>>  ... or new types of nuclear reactors.
>
>Fission, uranium reactors are safe handled safely. Fusion, hydrogen 
>would be even safer, unless Goldfinger gets the one he has on 
>backorder...

Molten salt reactors are even better.
-- 

Regards,

Eric Stevens 

	
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> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 07:57:42 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
> 
>> On 2018-01-08 03:00:46 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:22:23 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2017-12-23 15:04:31 +0000, android said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lawsuits:
>>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use
>>>>>> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their
>>>>>> ability to charge.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
>>>>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated
>>>> so if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers
>>>> your car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from
>>>> like coal to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency.
>>>> Conclusion: electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we
>>>> generate electricity with hydrogen reactors.
>>> 
>>> ... or new types of nuclear reactors.
>> 
>> Fission, uranium reactors are safe handled safely. Fusion, hydrogen
>> would be even safer, unless Goldfinger gets the one he has on
>> backorder...
> 
> Molten salt reactors are even better.

MSRs are fission reactors and there will be waste. They have different 
coolant but the nuclear process is the same. Keep it simple 'till you 
know what you're doing... Fussion is the future.
-- 
teleportation kills 

	
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>On 2018-01-08 09:14:36 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
>
>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 07:57:42 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2018-01-08 03:00:46 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:22:23 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2017-12-23 15:04:31 +0000, android said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
>>>>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Lawsuits:
>>>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use
>>>>>>> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their
>>>>>>> ability to charge.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
>>>>>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated
>>>>> so if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers
>>>>> your car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from
>>>>> like coal to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency.
>>>>> Conclusion: electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we
>>>>> generate electricity with hydrogen reactors.
>>>> 
>>>> ... or new types of nuclear reactors.
>>> 
>>> Fission, uranium reactors are safe handled safely. Fusion, hydrogen
>>> would be even safer, unless Goldfinger gets the one he has on
>>> backorder...
>> 
>> Molten salt reactors are even better.
>
>MSRs are fission reactors and there will be waste. They have different 
>coolant but the nuclear process is the same. Keep it simple 'till you 
>know what you're doing... Fussion is the future.

Keep it simple - or have fusion. Have any one of two.
-- 

Regards,

Eric Stevens 

	
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> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 07:57:42 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
> 
> >On 2018-01-08 03:00:46 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
> >
> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:22:23 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On 2017-12-23 15:04:31 +0000, android said:
> >>> 
> >>>> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
> >>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Lawsuits:
> >>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use
> >>>>> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their
> >>>>> ability to charge.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
> >>>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated
> >>> so if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers
> >>> your car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from
> >>> like coal to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency.
> >>> Conclusion: electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we
> >>> generate electricity with hydrogen reactors.
> >> 
> >>  ... or new types of nuclear reactors.
> >
> >Fission, uranium reactors are safe handled safely. Fusion, hydrogen 
> >would be even safer, unless Goldfinger gets the one he has on 
> >backorder...
> 
> Molten salt reactors are even better.
> -- 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Eric Stevens

Thorium, molten sodium, etc.  If these reactors were ever viable, they'd already have been built. 

	
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>On Monday, 8 January 2018 04:14:40 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 07:57:42 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
>> 
>> >On 2018-01-08 03:00:46 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:22:23 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> On 2017-12-23 15:04:31 +0000, android said:
>> >>> 
>> >>>> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
>> >>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Lawsuits:
>> >>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use
>> >>>>> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their
>> >>>>> ability to charge.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
>> >>>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated
>> >>> so if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers
>> >>> your car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from
>> >>> like coal to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency.
>> >>> Conclusion: electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we
>> >>> generate electricity with hydrogen reactors.
>> >> 
>> >>  ... or new types of nuclear reactors.
>> >
>> >Fission, uranium reactors are safe handled safely. Fusion, hydrogen 
>> >would be even safer, unless Goldfinger gets the one he has on 
>> >backorder...
>> 
>> Molten salt reactors are even better.
>> -- 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Eric Stevens
>
>Thorium, molten sodium, etc.  If these reactors were ever viable, they'd already have been built. 

The US did a lot of work on molten salt reactors in the 1960s and 70s.
In the event Nixon pulled the plug on them for (a) political reasons
and (b) because they wouldn't produce weapons grade material.
Incredibly, the results of all the research work was destroyed.

China has bee working on them for several years and say that they
intend that by the time they reach commercial viability China will own
all the patents.
-- 

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Eric Stevens 

	
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> wrote:
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> >On Monday, 8 January 2018 04:14:40 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
> >> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 07:57:42 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On 2018-01-08 03:00:46 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
> >> >
> >> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:22:23 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >>> On 2017-12-23 15:04:31 +0000, android said:
> >> >>> 
> >> >>>> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
> >> >>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
> >> >>>>> 
> >> >>>>> Lawsuits:
> >> >>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
> >> >>>>> 
> >> >>>>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use
> >> >>>>> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their
> >> >>>>> ability to charge.
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
> >> >>>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated
> >> >>> so if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers
> >> >>> your car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from
> >> >>> like coal to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency.
> >> >>> Conclusion: electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we
> >> >>> generate electricity with hydrogen reactors.
> >> >> 
> >> >>  ... or new types of nuclear reactors.
> >> >
> >> >Fission, uranium reactors are safe handled safely. Fusion, hydrogen 
> >> >would be even safer, unless Goldfinger gets the one he has on 
> >> >backorder...
> >> 
> >> Molten salt reactors are even better.

Do they really exist as actual reactors I thought molten salt was just used as energy storage in
australia.

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/world-view/australia-green-lights-m...

> >> -- 
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> 
> >> Eric Stevens
> >
> >Thorium, molten sodium, etc.  If these reactors were ever viable, they'd already have been built. 
> 
> The US did a lot of work on molten salt reactors in the 1960s and 70s.
> In the event Nixon pulled the plug on them for (a) political reasons
> and (b) because they wouldn't produce weapons grade material.
> Incredibly, the results of all the research work was destroyed.
> 
> China has bee working on them for several years and say that they
> intend that by the time they reach commercial viability China will own
> all the patents.
> -- 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Eric Stevens 

	
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 02:14:26 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave<whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:33:00 UTC, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 06:57:00 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Monday, 8 January 2018 04:14:40 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 07:57:42 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >On 2018-01-08 03:00:46 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:22:23 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>> On 2017-12-23 15:04:31 +0000, android said:
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>>> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
>> >> >>>> 
>> >> >>>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>> >> >>>>> 
>> >> >>>>> Lawsuits:
>> >> >>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
>> >> >>>>> 
>> >> >>>>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use
>> >> >>>>> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their
>> >> >>>>> ability to charge.
>> >> >>>> 
>> >> >>>> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
>> >> >>>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 
>> >> >>>> 
>> >> >>>> 
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>> Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated
>> >> >>> so if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers
>> >> >>> your car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from
>> >> >>> like coal to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency.
>> >> >>> Conclusion: electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we
>> >> >>> generate electricity with hydrogen reactors.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>  ... or new types of nuclear reactors.
>> >> >
>> >> >Fission, uranium reactors are safe handled safely. Fusion, hydrogen 
>> >> >would be even safer, unless Goldfinger gets the one he has on 
>> >> >backorder...
>> >> 
>> >> Molten salt reactors are even better.
>
>Do they really exist as actual reactors I thought molten salt was just used as energy storage in
australia.
>
>https://www.newcivilengineer.com/world-view/australia-green-lights-m...

.... a different kind of beast altogether.
>

See
https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/608712/a-thorium-salt-...

U Tube has some good videos.


>> >> -- 
>> >> 
>> >> Regards,
>> >> 
>> >> Eric Stevens
>> >
>> >Thorium, molten sodium, etc.  If these reactors were ever viable, they'd already have been
built. 
>> 
>> The US did a lot of work on molten salt reactors in the 1960s and 70s.
>> In the event Nixon pulled the plug on them for (a) political reasons
>> and (b) because they wouldn't produce weapons grade material.
>> Incredibly, the results of all the research work was destroyed.
>> 
>> China has been working on them for several years and say that they
>> intend that by the time they reach commercial viability China will own
>> all the patents.
>> -- 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Eric Stevens
-- 

Regards,

Eric Stevens 

	
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Eric Stevens<eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> Wrote in message:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 02:14:26 -0800 (PST), Whisky-dave
><whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>On Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:33:00 UTC, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 06:57:00 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >On Monday, 8 January 2018 04:14:40 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>>> >> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 07:57:42 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> >On 2018-01-08 03:00:46 +0000, Eric Stevens said:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:22:23 +0100, android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >>> On 2017-12-23 15:04:31 +0000, android said:
>>> >> >>> 
>>> >> >>>> On 2017-12-22 23:52:36 +0000, RichA said:
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> On Thursday, 21 December 2017 07:50:42 UTC-5, RichA  wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42438745
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> Lawsuits:
>>> >> >>>>> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42455285
>>> >> >>>>> 
>>> >> >>>>> This is like that egomaniacal a-- Elon Musk telling people if they use
>>> >> >>>>> their Tesla's for anything but personal driving, he'd cut off their
>>> >> >>>>> ability to charge.
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> Electrical cars are fuled by that that's i the socket of your wall. Whatever!
>>> >> >>>> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tessla+taxi&iax=images&ia=images&a... 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>>> 
>>> >> >>> 
>>> >> >>> Maybe a clarification is in order: Electricity are not self generated
>>> >> >>> so if the last kWh is generated with coal then it's coal that powers
>>> >> >>> your car and so on... Every time you make an energy conversion from
>>> >> >>> like coal to electricity you  have huge looses in energy efficiency.
>>> >> >>> Conclusion: electrical cars won't be safe to environment until we
>>> >> >>> generate electricity with hydrogen reactors.
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >>  ... or new types of nuclear reactors.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Fission, uranium reactors are safe handled safely. Fusion, hydrogen 
>>> >> >would be even safer, unless Goldfinger gets the one he has on 
>>> >> >backorder...
>>> >> 
>>> >> Molten salt reactors are even better.
>>
>>Do they really exist as actual reactors I thought molten salt was just used as energy storage in
australia.
>>
>>https://www.newcivilengineer.com/world-view/australia-green-lights-m...
> 
> ... a different kind of beast altogether.
>>
> 
> See
>
https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/608712/a-thorium-salt-...
> 
> U Tube has some good videos.
> 
> 
>>> >> -- 
>>> >> 
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> 
>>> >> Eric Stevens
>>> >
>>> >Thorium, molten sodium, etc.  If these reactors were ever viable, they'd already have been
built. 
>>> 
>>> The US did a lot of work on molten salt reactors in the 1960s and 70s.
>>> In the event Nixon pulled the plug on them for (a) political reasons
>>> and (b) because they wouldn't produce weapons grade material.
>>> Incredibly, the results of all the research work was destroyed.
>>> 
>>> China has been working on them for several years and say that they
>>> intend that by the time they reach commercial viability China will own
>>> all the patents.
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Eric Stevens

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