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Do they have four worth having?
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> Do they have four worth having?
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> teleportation kills

I don't know.  They cater mostly to Nikon and Canon users so I don't buy their stuff. 

	
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> Do they have four worth having?

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>> Do they have four worth having?
> 
> yes
> 

Which ones. Some of the guys in my CC have them, and are satisfied. One 
was really thrilled with his Tamron 70-200, until I lent him my Nikon. 
The cost of a Tamron is considerably less than a Tamron with the same 
focal length and max aperture. A couple of the guys have APS C cameras, 
And find them great for travel.
I personally the 150-600, and for focus tracking it felt slower than my 
80-400. At Photo-Expo last year, I had a discussion with the Tamron 
sales reps, who finally agreed that it was indeed slow on my D800. But 
they insisted it worked well with the D800 earlier in the day. Yet One 
of my friends, who shoots with a Canon, never had an issue with it.
In summary:
it's an OK line of lenses for those who do not want to spend a lot of 
money, and yet still enjoy the hobby. I personally might consider only 
one of the lenses, if I didn't have an equivalent Nikkor lens. The 
17=50, and possibly the 150-600.
Others may very well feel differently.
I will not respond to anyone who makes a tzimmus over which Tamron lens 
is better.
(For those who do not know the expression see: 
<http://www.jewishmag.com/181mag/yiddish_words/yiddish_words.htm>




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> Some of the guys in my CC have them, and are satisfied. One was really 
> thrilled with his Tamron 70-200, until I lent him my Nikon.

Oki...
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> >> Do they have four worth having?
> > 
> > yes
> 
> Which ones. 

90mm macro is a classic, with outstanding image quality. highly
recommended. the newer version is stabilized, while purists prefer the
original.
180mm macro also a classic and also highly recommended.
28-75mm is inexpensive and excellent for the price, especially for aps.
200-500mm is also excellent.

they also have some duds. the 200-400mm is not very good.

> Some of the guys in my CC have them, and are satisfied. One 
> was really thrilled with his Tamron 70-200, until I lent him my Nikon. 

it's also less expensive than the nikon version. 

> The cost of a Tamron is considerably less than a Tamron with the same 
> focal length and max aperture.

so you say.

i'm quite sure the prices are much closer than you think, most likely
the same.

> A couple of the guys have APS C cameras, 

only a couple? it must be a small camera club.

> And find them great for travel.

what about the ones who stay home?

> I personally the 150-600, and for focus tracking it felt slower than my 
> 80-400. At Photo-Expo last year, I had a discussion with the Tamron 
> sales reps, who finally agreed that it was indeed slow on my D800. But 
> they insisted it worked well with the D800 earlier in the day. Yet One 
> of my friends, who shoots with a Canon, never had an issue with it.

autofocus speeds are sometimes slower, but not overly so.

what matters is the image quality. 

	
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> In article<p2112l0gag@news7.newsguy.com>, PeterN
> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> Do they have four worth having?
>>>
>>> yes
>>
>> Which ones.
> 
> 90mm macro is a classic, with outstanding image quality. highly
> recommended. the newer version is stabilized, while purists prefer the
> original.
> 180mm macro also a classic and also highly recommended.
> 28-75mm is inexpensive and excellent for the price, especially for aps.
> 200-500mm is also excellent.

Compared to what. Produce your own test images, not those of someone who 
may very well be a shill.

My Cord was a classic, just before I totaled it..

> 
> they also have some duds. the 200-400mm is not very good.
> 
>> Some of the guys in my CC have them, and are satisfied. One
>> was really thrilled with his Tamron 70-200, until I lent him my Nikon.
> 
> it's also less expensive than the nikon version.
> 
>> The cost of a Tamron is considerably less than a Tamron with the same
>> focal length and max aperture.
> 
> so you say.
No that was a typo. I meant a fixed focal length lens made by Tamron is 
less expensive than a fixed focal length Canon or Nikon, if both have 
the same aperture.

> 
> i'm quite sure the prices are much closer than you think, most likely
> the same.
> 
Dream on.

>> A couple of the guys have APS C cameras,
> 
> only a couple? it must be a small camera club.
> 
>> And find them great for travel.
> 
> what about the ones who stay home?

You are being your usual argumentative asshole. The best job for you 
would be counting crowds at Trump rallies.


> 
>> I personally the 150-600, and for focus tracking it felt slower than my
>> 80-400. At Photo-Expo last year, I had a discussion with the Tamron
>> sales reps, who finally agreed that it was indeed slow on my D800. But
>> they insisted it worked well with the D800 earlier in the day. Yet One
>> of my friends, who shoots with a Canon, never had an issue with it.
> 
> autofocus speeds are sometimes slower, but not overly so.

Interesting comment, considering your proven experience.

> 
> what matters is the image quality.
> 

Nobody in this thread said otherwise.

-- 
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> >>>> Do they have four worth having?
> >>>
> >>> yes
> >>
> >> Which ones.
> > 
> > 90mm macro is a classic, with outstanding image quality. highly
> > recommended. the newer version is stabilized, while purists prefer the
> > original.
> > 180mm macro also a classic and also highly recommended.
> > 28-75mm is inexpensive and excellent for the price, especially for aps.
> > 200-500mm is also excellent.
> 
> Compared to what. Produce your own test images, not those of someone who 
> may very well be a shill.

i see you just want to argue.

> My Cord was a classic, just before I totaled it..

you don't have a very good track record.

> > they also have some duds. the 200-400mm is not very good.
> > 
> >> Some of the guys in my CC have them, and are satisfied. One
> >> was really thrilled with his Tamron 70-200, until I lent him my Nikon.
> > 
> > it's also less expensive than the nikon version.
> > 
> >> The cost of a Tamron is considerably less than a Tamron with the same
> >> focal length and max aperture.
> > 
> > so you say.
> No that was a typo. I meant a fixed focal length lens made by Tamron is 
> less expensive than a fixed focal length Canon or Nikon, if both have 
> the same aperture.
> 
> > i'm quite sure the prices are much closer than you think, most likely
> > the same.
> 
> Dream on.

*whoosh*

> >> A couple of the guys have APS C cameras,
> > 
> > only a couple? it must be a small camera club.
> > 
> >> And find them great for travel.
> > 
> > what about the ones who stay home?
> 
> You are being your usual argumentative asshole. The best job for you 
> would be counting crowds at Trump rallies.

there's one crowd per rally, possibly two if there are protestors. easy!

> >> I personally the 150-600, and for focus tracking it felt slower than my
> >> 80-400. At Photo-Expo last year, I had a discussion with the Tamron
> >> sales reps, who finally agreed that it was indeed slow on my D800. But
> >> they insisted it worked well with the D800 earlier in the day. Yet One
> >> of my friends, who shoots with a Canon, never had an issue with it.
> > 
> > autofocus speeds are sometimes slower, but not overly so.
> 
> Interesting comment, considering your proven experience.

which is extensive.

> > what matters is the image quality.
> 
> Nobody in this thread said otherwise.

you did. 

	
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> On 12/27/2017 4:23 PM, nospam wrote:
> > In article<p2112l0gag@news7.newsguy.com>, PeterN
> > <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net>  wrote:
> >
> > > > > Do they have four worth having?
> > > >
> > > > yes
> > >
> > > Which ones.
> >
> > 90mm macro is a classic, with outstanding image quality. highly
> > recommended. the newer version is stabilized, while purists prefer the
> > original. 180mm macro also a classic and also highly recommended.
> > 28-75mm is inexpensive and excellent for the price, especially for aps.
> > 200-500mm is also excellent.
>
> Compared to what. Produce your own test images, not those of someone who
> may very well be a shill.
>
> My Cord was a classic, just before I totaled it..

....and for that automotive crime you should have been punished severely!

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vt5rp5x5ez9l84/DNC3479Aw.jpg>

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> On Dec 27, 2017, PeterN wrote
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>> On 12/27/2017 4:23 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article<p2112l0gag@news7.newsguy.com>, PeterN
>>> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Do they have four worth having?
>>>>>
>>>>> yes
>>>>
>>>> Which ones.
>>>
>>> 90mm macro is a classic, with outstanding image quality. highly
>>> recommended. the newer version is stabilized, while purists prefer the
>>> original. 180mm macro also a classic and also highly recommended.
>>> 28-75mm is inexpensive and excellent for the price, especially for aps.
>>> 200-500mm is also excellent.
>>
>> Compared to what. Produce your own test images, not those of someone who
>> may very well be a shill.
>>
>> My Cord was a classic, just before I totaled it..
> 
> ...and for that automotive crime you should have been punished severely!
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vt5rp5x5ez9l84/DNC3479Aw.jpg>
> 
I am, every time I look at one. That's what happens when you do 
something smart with gambling money.
Actually the car was closer to this: If it was an 812 I would have been 
even more pissed at myself.
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/gr22c8htkyppsau/download.jpg?dl=0>




On our last cruise I won the ships blackjack tournament. As proof that I 
learned that lesson, I spent the money wisely: we had an air conditioned 
lean to on the beach; and a butler serving us lobster dinners with all 
the trimmings and drinks we wanted; invited some friends to join us, 
while our fellow cruise passengers were eating hamburgers and hotdogs, 
while fighting for a place to sit down and eat.

I wound up with no money in either case, but some great memories in the 
second case.

I will not play BJ where they have changed the rule so that a dealer 
must draw on a soft 17. In a six deck game, WITH DOUBLE AFTER SPLITTING 
ALLOWED, It increases the house edge from about .41% to .63%. If you 
doubt me, do the math for yourself.



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>I will not play BJ where they have changed the rule so that a dealer 
>must draw on a soft 17. In a six deck game, WITH DOUBLE AFTER SPLITTING 
>ALLOWED, It increases the house edge from about .41% to .63%. If you 
>doubt me, do the math for yourself.

If the house has any edge, why bother playing at all? And no one
actually does the math on this. These days they look it up, but it was
established with simulations, not a calculator.

Anyway, that change to hit soft 17 will cost only another $22 after
$10,000 of betting. Who cares? At a full table, you'd play 3-4 hours
at $100 per hand and lose $63 instead of $41. It's not even worth
thinking about. You're just gambling either way, and if you're betting
that much, $22 means nothing. 

	
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> 
>> I will not play BJ where they have changed the rule so that a
>> dealer must draw on a soft 17. In a six deck game, WITH DOUBLE
>> AFTER SPLITTING ALLOWED, It increases the house edge from about
>> .41% to .63%. If you doubt me, do the math for yourself.
> 
> If the house has any edge, why bother playing at all? And no one 
> actually does the math on this. These days they look it up, but it
> was established with simulations, not a calculator.
> 
> Anyway, that change to hit soft 17 will cost only another $22 after 
> $10,000 of betting. Who cares? At a full table, you'd play 3-4 hours 
> at $100 per hand and lose $63 instead of $41. It's not even worth 
> thinking about. You're just gambling either way, and if you're
> betting that much, $22 means nothing.
> 

The casino owners love that type of thinking.
In my playing days, we considered gambling money as entertainment. We 
would set aside a certain amount of money. When that money was gone we 
would not enter a enter a casino until the following year. My wife loved 
the slot machines, I never enjoyed playing them.
To answer your comment, more completely, I don't care if your was of 
thinking is right. I play for enjoyment. The rule change bothers me and 
detracts from my enjoyment. If it doesn't bother you, great. play all 
your heart desires. I have come to a high preference for poker. When 
poker players are much better than me, I usually have the option of 
switching tables. I also have the option of walking away, and some 
casinos even let me use my camera.

-- 
PeterN 

	
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>In article<p2112l0gag@news7.newsguy.com>, PeterN
><"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >> Do they have four worth having?
>> > 
>> > yes
>> 
>> Which ones. 
>
>90mm macro is a classic, with outstanding image quality. highly
>recommended. the newer version is stabilized, while purists prefer the
>original.
>180mm macro also a classic and also highly recommended.
>28-75mm is inexpensive and excellent for the price, especially for aps.
>200-500mm is also excellent.
>
>they also have some duds. the 200-400mm is not very good.
>
>> Some of the guys in my CC have them, and are satisfied. One 
>> was really thrilled with his Tamron 70-200, until I lent him my Nikon. 
>
>it's also less expensive than the nikon version. 
>
>> The cost of a Tamron is considerably less than a Tamron with the same 
>> focal length and max aperture.
>
>so you say.
>
>i'm quite sure the prices are much closer than you think, most likely
>the same.

Not in this part of the world. The Tamron is usually significantly
cheaper with quality being nearly up to that of the Nikon.
>
>> A couple of the guys have APS C cameras, 
>
>only a couple? it must be a small camera club.
>
>> And find them great for travel.
>
>what about the ones who stay home?
>
>> I personally the 150-600, and for focus tracking it felt slower than my 
>> 80-400. At Photo-Expo last year, I had a discussion with the Tamron 
>> sales reps, who finally agreed that it was indeed slow on my D800. But 
>> they insisted it worked well with the D800 earlier in the day. Yet One 
>> of my friends, who shoots with a Canon, never had an issue with it.
>
>autofocus speeds are sometimes slower, but not overly so.
>
>what matters is the image quality.
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> >
> >> The cost of a Tamron is considerably less than a Tamron with the same 
> >> focal length and max aperture.
> >
> >so you say.
> >
> >i'm quite sure the prices are much closer than you think, most likely
> >the same.
> 
> Not in this part of the world. The Tamron is usually significantly
> cheaper with quality being nearly up to that of the Nikon.

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>On 2017-12-27 18:09:05 +0000, RichA said:
>
>>
https://www.dpreview.com/news/9803485761/tamron-sets-up-vip-club-for... 
>> 
>
>Do they have four worth having?

I have one...an 18 to 270 zoom that is - or was - an excellent lens.
Unfortunately, I was using it one day using a neck strap before I
switched to a Black Rapid strap and banged against something when
leaned over.  It knocked it out of whack, and it now focuses sometimes
and not other times.  So, it's on the shelf and no longer used.

It was a great lens for street photography with that range.  

-- 
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida