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Don't f--- with other people's property.  Elon (Egomaniac) Musk will find this out as well. 

	
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> Don't f--- with other people's property. 

they're not.

> Elon (Egomaniac) Musk will find
> this out as well.

there's nothing for him to find out. 

	
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> In article<7e2b9f49-3935-4bae-9b68-f6084d68faac@googlegroups.com>,
> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Don't f--- with other people's property. 
> 
> they're not.
> 
> > Elon (Egomaniac) Musk will find
> > this out as well.
> 
> there's nothing for him to find out.

Really?  Try using your Tesla as an UBER car then.  "It won't start!" 

	
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> Don't f--- with other people's property.  Elon (Egomaniac) Musk will find this out as well.
> 

It's easy to sue. Much harder to win and collect. That article didn't 
imp[impress me at all. What re you trying to say


PeterN 

	
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> > Don't f--- with other people's property.  Elon (Egomaniac) Musk will find this out as well.
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> It's easy to sue. Much harder to win and collect. That article didn't 
> imp[impress me at all. What re you trying to say
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> 
> PeterN

That doing what they did was a mistake?  I don't CARE how the battery ages, I'm more concerned about
the performance of the device.  Batteries (at a price) can be replaced, poor productivity costs more. 

	
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> That doing what they did was a mistake?  I don't CARE how the battery ages,
> I'm more concerned about the performance of the device.  Batteries (at a
> price) can be replaced, poor productivity costs more.

what they did was extend the useful life of the device with fewer
interruptions due to sudden shutdown from an aging battery, a physical
property of batteries that cannot be avoided.

*lots* of products do the same or similar. 

	
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| That doing what they did was a mistake?  I don't CARE how the battery 
ages, I'm more concerned about the performance of the device.  Batteries (at 
a price) can be replaced, poor productivity costs more.
|
    They exploit their customers. Then they won't
talk about it. Nothing new there. Anyone who wants to
own their device doesn't buy Apple.

  Interestingly, this time they're deciding to back down.
Maybe they're scared at the shocking lack of interest
in iPhone 10. (Along with the trickle of articles pointing
out that a surprising percentage of the public is not falling
for the idiocy of computer watches.)

    Whatever the case, they're now offering
to provide battery replacements at a greatly reduced
charge, in an effort to convince people that they meant
well and weren't just scamming them. Their apology
is not very convincing, given that they've aparently
refused to answer complaints for years and only now,
facing numerous lawsuits, have they admitted to slowing
down phones. That doesn't sound like a company that
meant well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42508300

  On the other hand, the Apple fans I know are probably
not disturbed. It's their money. 

	
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> Anyone who wants to
> own their device doesn't buy Apple.

nonsense.

>   Interestingly, this time they're deciding to back down.
> Maybe they're scared at the shocking lack of interest
> in iPhone 10. 

more nonsense. the iphone x (not 10) is selling *very* well.

> (Along with the trickle of articles pointing
> out that a surprising percentage of the public is not falling
> for the idiocy of computer watches.)

even more nonsense. 

<http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-apple-watch-just-became-the-...
er-one-watch-in-the-world-2017-9>
  The company's CEO Tim Cook told attendees that the tech giant now
  sells the number one watch in the world, leapfrogging Rolex in the
  process. Cook also said the Watch saw stunning 50% year over year
  sales growth in August. 

	
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| more nonsense. the iphone x (not 10)

   Do you know what x stands for? (Hint: Roman.)

| is selling *very* well.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-25/analysts-cut-ipho...

  But don't worry. Once it gets down to $40 I'll buy one
to use as a camera... if they can demonstrate to me
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> | more nonsense. the iphone x (not 10)
> 
>    Do you know what x stands for? (Hint: Roman.)

the name of the device is iphone x, not iphone 10.

> | is selling *very* well.
>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-25/analysts-cut-ipho...
> ent-forecasts-citing-lukewarm-demand

that's nothing more than the usual analysts talking out their ass in an
attempt to manipulate the stock price for personal gain and that of
their clients.

last october, the same idiot analysts were saying the iphone 8/8+ were
a flop, that lines were short and no backlog of orders, it's not enough
of a jump over the 7 so people were opting for the 7 instead, little to
no customer excitement, blah blah blah.

at the earnings call in early november, apple stated the iphone 8/8+
were the two most popular models sold. the iphone x had not yet shipped
at that point.

it happens every quarter.

apple's next earnings call is in mid-february, where *actual* numbers
will be announced.

>   But don't worry. Once it gets down to $40 I'll buy one
> to use as a camera...

you wouldn't use one if it was given to you for free.

> if they can demonstrate to me
> that the camera is usable without activating the phone.

there is *no* need to activate an iphone with cellular service. 

you'll just need wifi for any connectivity (and you can also turn that
off if you prefer).

older iphones are commonly given to kids for exactly that purpose,
since the parents don't want to sign them up for their own cellphone
plan. 

	
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> the name of the device is iphone x, not iphone 10.
> 
>> | is selling *very* well.
>>
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-25/analysts-cut-ipho...
>> ent-forecasts-citing-lukewarm-demand
> 
> that's nothing more than the usual analysts talking out their ass in an
> attempt to manipulate the stock price for personal gain and that of
> their clients.
> 
> last october, the same idiot analysts were saying the iphone 8/8+ were
> a flop, that lines were short and no backlog of orders, it's not enough
> of a jump over the 7 so people were opting for the 7 instead, little to
> no customer excitement, blah blah blah.
> 
> at the earnings call in early november, apple stated the iphone 8/8+
> were the two most popular models sold. the iphone x had not yet shipped
> at that point.
> 
> it happens every quarter.
> 
> apple's next earnings call is in mid-february, where *actual* numbers
> will be announced.
> 
>>    But don't worry. Once it gets down to $40 I'll buy one
>> to use as a camera...
> 
> you wouldn't use one if it was given to you for free.
> 
>> if they can demonstrate to me
>> that the camera is usable without activating the phone.
> 
> there is *no* need to activate an iphone with cellular service.
> 
> you'll just need wifi for any connectivity (and you can also turn that
> off if you prefer).
> 
> older iphones are commonly given to kids for exactly that purpose,
> since the parents don't want to sign them up for their own cellphone
> plan.
> 

I do not disagree with much of what you say. but, back up what you say 
with authenticated facts, and logic.
You really ought to distinguish fact from opinion. You would gain a lot 
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> >>
> >> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-25/analysts-cut-ipho...
> >> ipment-forecasts-citing-lukewarm-demand
> > 
> > that's nothing more than the usual analysts talking out their ass in an
> > attempt to manipulate the stock price for personal gain and that of
> > their clients.
> > 
> > last october, the same idiot analysts were saying the iphone 8/8+ were
> > a flop, that lines were short and no backlog of orders, it's not enough
> > of a jump over the 7 so people were opting for the 7 instead, little to
> > no customer excitement, blah blah blah.
> > 
> > at the earnings call in early november, apple stated the iphone 8/8+
> > were the two most popular models sold. the iphone x had not yet shipped
> > at that point.
> > 
> > it happens every quarter.
> > 
> > apple's next earnings call is in mid-february, where *actual* numbers
> > will be announced.
> > 
> >>    But don't worry. Once it gets down to $40 I'll buy one
> >> to use as a camera...
> > 
> > you wouldn't use one if it was given to you for free.
> > 
> >> if they can demonstrate to me
> >> that the camera is usable without activating the phone.
> > 
> > there is *no* need to activate an iphone with cellular service.
> > 
> > you'll just need wifi for any connectivity (and you can also turn that
> > off if you prefer).
> > 
> > older iphones are commonly given to kids for exactly that purpose,
> > since the parents don't want to sign them up for their own cellphone
> > plan.
> 
> I do not disagree with much of what you say. but, back up what you say 
> with authenticated facts, and logic.

examples of october news reports:
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-19/apple-suppliers-f...
after-report-of-lower-iphone-8-orders>
  The Taipei-based Economic Daily News reported Thursday that Apple cut
  orders for its latest model, which went on sale last month, by more
  than 50 percent. The newspaper didn 

	
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> |
> | more nonsense. the iphone x (not 10)
> 
>     Do you know what x stands for? (Hint: Roman.)
> 
> | is selling *very* well.
> 
>
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-25/analysts-cut-ipho...
> 
>    But don't worry. Once it gets down to $40 I'll buy one
> to use as a camera... if they can demonstrate to me
> that the camera is usable without activating the phone.
> 
> 
You and I are not Apple's target customer for watches. I suspect that 
few here are, regardless of whether they own one.
Just because I own an iPhone8+ doesn't mean I am a target customer.

<https://appleinccasestudy.weebly.com/apples-target-market.html>

<https://research-methodology.net/apple-segmentation-targeting-and-po...

Target customers are and should be a moving target, to stimulate growth:
<https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/03/aapl-strategy-premium-mid-market-opin...

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> >    But don't worry. Once it gets down to $40 I'll buy one
> > to use as a camera... if they can demonstrate to me
> > that the camera is usable without activating the phone.
> > 
> You and I are not Apple's target customer for watches. I suspect that 
> few here are, regardless of whether they own one.

he was talking about the iphone x, not the apple watch.

> Just because I own an iPhone8+ doesn't mean I am a target customer.

yet you bought one.

> <https://appleinccasestudy.weebly.com/apples-target-market.html>

what a complete crock.

it lists young kids, teenagers, college students and adults as the
target market.

in other words, everyone.

elsewhere on the 'case study' site:
<https://appleinccasestudy.weebly.com/apple-competition.html> 

	
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> In article<p24c8q0pb1@news6.newsguy.com>, PeterN
> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>>     But don't worry. Once it gets down to $40 I'll buy one
>>> to use as a camera... if they can demonstrate to me
>>> that the camera is usable without activating the phone.
>>>
>> You and I are not Apple's target customer for watches. I suspect that
>> few here are, regardless of whether they own one.
> 
> he was talking about the iphone x, not the apple watch.
> 
>> Just because I own an iPhone8+ doesn't mean I am a target customer.
> 
> yet you bought one.

And exactly what does that prove.


> 
>> <https://appleinccasestudy.weebly.com/apples-target-market.html>
> 
> what a complete crock.
> 
> it lists young kids, teenagers, college students and adults as the
> target market.
> 
> in other words, everyone.

Nope. Over 55 is a separate market.


> 
> elsewhere on the 'case study' site:
> <https://appleinccasestudy.weebly.com/apple-competition.html>
>     €  Macintosh software is found only on Mac Books
> 
> i guess she is oblivious of imacs, mac minis, mac pros, as well as
> older powerbooks, ibooks, powermacs, etc., some of which she even lists
> elsewhere on the site.
> 
>     €  touch screen
> 
> macs do not have a touch screen. only ios devices do.
> the comparison is mac versus pc, so instant fail.
> 
>     €  based more on graphic design and music
> 
> nonsense.
> 
>     €  does not include Microsoft programs
> 
> older macs did include microsoft apps and it's trivial to install them
> if not there.
> 
>     €  expensive
> 
> also wrong.
> 
> 
> however, the best part are these two gems:
> 
>     €  physical materials are shipped from the same manufacturer (Intel)
> 
> processors are not called 'physical materials' and windows pcs use
> intel *or* amd processors.
> 
>     €  both use basic binary system
> 
> both use basic binary system??? are you fucking kidding me?
> 
> whoever wrote this garbage is an idiot.
> 

Sorry, I forgot you know more than anyone.
BTW Have any of you marketing campaigns won any awards, or even been 
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> >> <https://appleinccasestudy.weebly.com/apples-target-market.html>
> > 
> > what a complete crock.
> > 
> > it lists young kids, teenagers, college students and adults as the
> > target market.
> > 
> > in other words, everyone.
> 
> Nope. Over 55 is a separate market.

no age cutoff is listed for the various groups and over 55 would
qualify for both 'adults' and 'business people'.

or is 55 the new retirement age?



> > however, the best part are these two gems:
> > 
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> 
>>>> <https://appleinccasestudy.weebly.com/apples-target-market.html>
>>>
>>> what a complete crock.
>>>
>>> it lists young kids, teenagers, college students and adults as the
>>> target market.
>>>
>>> in other words, everyone.
>>
>> Nope. Over 55 is a separate market.
> 
> no age cutoff is listed for the various groups and over 55 would
> qualify for both 'adults' and 'business people'.
> 
> or is 55 the new retirement age?
> 
> 
> 
>>> however, the best part are these two gems:
>>>
>>>      ¤  physical materials are shipped from the same manufacturer (Intel)
>>>
>>> processors are not called 'physical materials' and windows pcs use
>>> intel *or* amd processors.
>>>
>>>      ¤  both use basic binary system
>>>
>>> both use basic binary system??? are you fucking kidding me?
>>>
>>> whoever wrote this garbage is an idiot.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry, I forgot you know more than anyone.
>> BTW Have any of you marketing campaigns won any awards, or even been
>> nominated for international awards?
> 
> as usual, you aren't interested in discussing anything.
> 

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> > > > <https://appleinccasestudy.weebly.com/apples-target-market.html>
> > >
> > > what a complete crock.
> > >
> > > it lists young kids, teenagers, college students and adults as the
> > > target market.
> > >
> > > in other words, everyone.
> >
> > Nope. Over 55 is a separate market.
>
> no age cutoff is listed for the various groups and over 55 would
> qualify for both 'adults' and 'business people'.
>
> or is 55 the new retirement age?

Earliest retirement age for most State health and safety jobs, such as law 
enforcement, and firefighters (in California anyway) is 50.

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In article<0001HW.1FFAC76D008C262670000A4592CF@news.giganews.com>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> > > > it lists young kids, teenagers, college students and adults as the
> > > > target market.
> > > >
> > > > in other words, everyone.
> > >
> > > Nope. Over 55 is a separate market.
> >
> > no age cutoff is listed for the various groups and over 55 would
> > qualify for both 'adults' and 'business people'.
> >
> > or is 55 the new retirement age?
> 
> Earliest retirement age for most State health and safety jobs, such as law 
> enforcement, and firefighters (in California anyway) is 50.

did you retire at 50? 

	
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On Jan 1, 2018, nospam wrote
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> In article<0001HW.1FFAC76D008C262670000A4592CF@news.giganews.com>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>  wrote:
>
> > > > > it lists young kids, teenagers, college students and adults as the
> > > > > target market.
> > > > >
> > > > > in other words, everyone.
> > > >
> > > > Nope. Over 55 is a separate market.
> > >
> > > no age cutoff is listed for the various groups and over 55 would
> > > qualify for both 'adults' and 'business people'.
> > >
> > > or is 55 the new retirement age?
> >
> > Earliest retirement age for most State health and safety jobs, such as law
> > enforcement, and firefighters (in California anyway) is 50.
>
> did you retire at 50?

Nope! I retired at 60 in 2009.

-- 

Regards,
Savageduck 

	
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In article<0001HW.1FFAF2D6009652C7700001F4E2CF@news.giganews.com>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> > > > > > it lists young kids, teenagers, college students and adults as the
> > > > > > target market.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > in other words, everyone.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope. Over 55 is a separate market.
> > > >
> > > > no age cutoff is listed for the various groups and over 55 would
> > > > qualify for both 'adults' and 'business people'.
> > > >
> > > > or is 55 the new retirement age?
> > >
> > > Earliest retirement age for most State health and safety jobs, such as law
> > > enforcement, and firefighters (in California anyway) is 50.
> >
> > did you retire at 50?
> 
> Nope! I retired at 60 in 2009.

then according to peter, you had 5 years of not being an adult. 

	
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On Jan 1, 2018, nospam wrote
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> In article<0001HW.1FFAF2D6009652C7700001F4E2CF@news.giganews.com>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>  wrote:
>
> > > > > > > it lists young kids, teenagers, college students and adults as the
> > > > > > > target market.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > in other words, everyone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope. Over 55 is a separate market.
> > > > >
> > > > > no age cutoff is listed for the various groups and over 55 would
> > > > > qualify for both 'adults' and 'business people'.
> > > > >
> > > > > or is 55 the new retirement age?
> > > >
> > > > Earliest retirement age for most State health and safety jobs, such as law
> > > > enforcement, and firefighters (in California anyway) is 50.
> > >
> > > did you retire at 50?
> >
> > Nope! I retired at 60 in 2009.
>
> then according to peter, you had 5 years of not being an adult.

Only 5!! There are a whole bunch of folks who think I am still not an adult.

....and now that I am retired, I have absolutely no reason to behave like an 
adult, that sort of thing I reserved for work.

-- 

Regards,
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> In article<0001HW.1FFAF2D6009652C7700001F4E2CF@news.giganews.com>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>> it lists young kids, teenagers, college students and adults as the
>>>>>>> target market.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in other words, everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. Over 55 is a separate market.
>>>>>
>>>>> no age cutoff is listed for the various groups and over 55 would
>>>>> qualify for both 'adults' and 'business people'.
>>>>>
>>>>> or is 55 the new retirement age?
>>>>
>>>> Earliest retirement age for most State health and safety jobs, such as law
>>>> enforcement, and firefighters (in California anyway) is 50.
>>>
>>> did you retire at 50?
>>
>> Nope! I retired at 60 in 2009.
> 
> then according to peter, you had 5 years of not being an adult.
> 

Yet another asinine, deliberate misinterpretation.

-- 
PeterN 

	
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> >>>>>>> it lists young kids, teenagers, college students and adults as the
> >>>>>>> target market.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> in other words, everyone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nope. Over 55 is a separate market.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> no age cutoff is listed for the various groups and over 55 would
> >>>>> qualify for both 'adults' and 'business people'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> or is 55 the new retirement age?
> >>>>
> >>>> Earliest retirement age for most State health and safety jobs, such as
> >>>> law enforcement, and firefighters (in California anyway) is 50.
> >>>
> >>> did you retire at 50?
> >>
> >> Nope! I retired at 60 in 2009.
> > 
> > then according to peter, you had 5 years of not being an adult.
> > 
> 
> Yet another asinine, deliberate misinterpretation.

that applies to *your* comments. 

	
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| You and I are not Apple's target customer for watches. I suspect that
| few here are, regardless of whether they own one.
| Just because I own an iPhone8+ doesn't mean I am a target customer.
|

| <https://appleinccasestudy.weebly.com/apples-target-market.html>
|
| 
<https://research-methodology.net/apple-segmentation-targeting-and-po...
|

  It's not about whether I'm a target customer. It's the market
trend and has been for awhile. And not just with Apple:

http://www.businessinsider.com/smartwatch-usage-declining-emarketer...

  If there were a market I expect Apple would rule it. But
some things are just too dumb. They tried to create a market
because the idea of a whole new gadget market was appealing.
There's not much more logic than that.

  On the other hand, why shouldn't I be a target customer?
Most people now use computer phones. A computer watch
is presumably supposed to complement a computer phone.
But of course it doesn't. Even if it could accurately count
my footsteps that's an absurd function. I thought pedometers
were clever when I was 10 years old.

   If the target market is high income 30-somethings who
want a watch for "self expression" then that's another way
of pointing out that the emperor has no clothes.... Or in
this case, that the watch has no function. 

	
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> "PeterN" <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote
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> | You and I are not Apple's target customer for watches. I suspect that
> | few here are, regardless of whether they own one.
> | Just because I own an iPhone8+ doesn't mean I am a target customer.
> |


>   It's not about whether I'm a target customer. It's the market
> trend and has been for awhile. And not just with Apple:
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/smartwatch-usage-declining-emarketer...
> s-2017-12

android smartwatches are mostly a failure, with some makers exiting the
market.

meanwhile, the apple watch and fitness trackers are a huge success.

>   If there were a market I expect Apple would rule it.

and they do. 

as i linked before:
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  The company's CEO Tim Cook told attendees that the tech giant now
  sells the number one watch in the world, leapfrogging Rolex in the
  process. Cook also said the Watch saw stunning 50% year over year
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> 
>> "PeterN" <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote
>>
>> | You and I are not Apple's target customer for watches. I suspect that
>> | few here are, regardless of whether they own one.
>> | Just because I own an iPhone8+ doesn't mean I am a target customer.
>> |
> 
> 
>>    It's not about whether I'm a target customer. It's the market
>> trend and has been for awhile. And not just with Apple:
>>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/smartwatch-usage-declining-emarketer...
>> s-2017-12
> 
> android smartwatches are mostly a failure, with some makers exiting the
> market.
> 
> meanwhile, the apple watch and fitness trackers are a huge success.
> 
>>    If there were a market I expect Apple would rule it.
> 
> and they do.
> 
> as i linked before:
> <http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-apple-watch-just-became-the-...
> er-one-watch-in-the-world-2017-9>
>    The company's CEO Tim Cook told attendees that the tech giant now
>    sells the number one watch in the world, leapfrogging Rolex in the
>    process. Cook also said the Watch saw stunning 50% year over year
>    sales growth in August.
> 
> and from *last* year:
> <http://bgr.com/2016/04/26/apple-watch-sales-vs-rolex/>
>    So, just to reiterate one last time and let it really sink in, Apple
>    Watch sales totaled about $6 billion in its first year of existence.
>    Meanwhile, the world¹s foremost luxury watch brand did $4.5 billion
>    in sales across its entire product portfolio last year. In fact, the
>    combined sales of all top Swiss watch makers totaled roughly $20
>    billion in 2015, so Apple is nearly one-third of the way there after
>    just one year.
> 
>>    But
>> some things are just too dumb.
> 
> not as dumb as some people...
> 
>> They tried to create a market
>> because the idea of a whole new gadget market was appealing.
>> There's not much more logic than that.
> 
> apple did not create the wearables market.
> 
> in fact, it's existed for several decades.
> 
>>    On the other hand, why shouldn't I be a target customer?
>> Most people now use computer phones. A computer watch
>> is presumably supposed to complement a computer phone.
>> But of course it doesn't.
> 
> actually, it does.
> 
>> Even if it could accurately count
>> my footsteps that's an absurd function.
> 
> it does that too, and quite a bit more.
> 
>> I thought pedometers
>> were clever when I was 10 years old.
> 
> out of touch with reality, as usual
> 
>>     If the target market is high income 30-somethings who
>> want a watch for "self expression" then that's another way
>> of pointing out that the emperor has no clothes.... Or in
>> this case, that the watch has no function.
> 
> very out of touch.
> 

Glad you know the target market, and statistics to back up that 
information. Last week I spoke to a member of the Apple marketing team, 
it was a corporate secret. BTW what entity is one of the top five 
largest co-marketer with Apple?

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> | You and I are not Apple's target customer for watches. I suspect that
> | few here are, regardless of whether they own one.
> | Just because I own an iPhone8+ doesn't mean I am a target customer.
> |
> 
> | <https://appleinccasestudy.weebly.com/apples-target-market.html>
> |
> |
> <https://research-methodology.net/apple-segmentation-targeting-and-po...
> |
> 
>    It's not about whether I'm a target customer. It's the market
> trend and has been for awhile. And not just with Apple:
> 
> http://www.businessinsider.com/smartwatch-usage-declining-emarketer...
> 
>    If there were a market I expect Apple would rule it. But
> some things are just too dumb. They tried to create a market
> because the idea of a whole new gadget market was appealing.
> There's not much more logic than that.
> 
>    On the other hand, why shouldn't I be a target customer?
> Most people now use computer phones. A computer watch
> is presumably supposed to complement a computer phone.
> But of course it doesn't. Even if it could accurately count
> my footsteps that's an absurd function. I thought pedometers
> were clever when I was 10 years old.
> 
>     If the target market is high income 30-somethings who
> want a watch for "self expression" then that's another way
> of pointing out that the emperor has no clothes.... Or in
> this case, that the watch has no function.
> 
> 

If I was the target market, my iPhone would have a built in, or 
available oximeter.

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> 
> If I was the target market, my iPhone would have a built in, or 
> available oximeter.

and it does. here's one (there may be others):
<http://lgtmedical.com/kenek/edge.html>

there are also apps that claim to do it. they're not as accurate, but
they're also *much* cheaper than a medical device. here's one such app
(there may be others):
<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pulse-oximeter-heart-rate-and-oxygen...
nitor-app/id775632066?mt=8>

the apple watch monitors resting heart rate and during workouts, but it
currently does not have a pulse oximeter even though the hardware can
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> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>
>> If I was the target market, my iPhone would have a built in, or
>> available oximeter.
> 
> and it does. here's one (there may be others):
> <http://lgtmedical.com/kenek/edge.html>
> 
> there are also apps that claim to do it. they're not as accurate, but
> they're also *much* cheaper than a medical device. here's one such app
> (there may be others):
> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pulse-oximeter-heart-rate-and-oxygen...
> nitor-app/id775632066?mt=8>
> 
> the apple watch monitors resting heart rate and during workouts, but it
> currently does not have a pulse oximeter even though the hardware can
> do it. perhaps it's a certification issue. it's coming.
> 
I know. For me the pulse oximeter is an important medical issue. I have 
been using on for almost a year. Total cost $50. I don't know if it as 
accurate as the Apple, but I will look into it, when it plugs directly 
into the watch.

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> >> If I was the target market, my iPhone would have a built in, or
> >> available oximeter.
> > 
> > and it does. here's one (there may be others):
> > <http://lgtmedical.com/kenek/edge.html>
> > 
> > there are also apps that claim to do it. they're not as accurate, but
> > they're also *much* cheaper than a medical device. here's one such app
> > (there may be others):
> > <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pulse-oximeter-heart-rate-and-oxygen...
> > nitor-app/id775632066?mt=8>
> > 
> > the apple watch monitors resting heart rate and during workouts, but it
> > currently does not have a pulse oximeter even though the hardware can
> > do it. perhaps it's a certification issue. it's coming.
> > 
> I know. For me the pulse oximeter is an important medical issue. I have 
> been using on for almost a year. Total cost $50. I don't know if it as 
> accurate as the Apple,

apple doesn't make a pulse oximeter.

third parties do that.

> but I will look into it, when it plugs directly 
> into the watch.

a pulse oximeter won't plug directly into the watch. 

that functionality will be part of the watch itself, checking your
oxygen level as often as you deem necessary, as well as other vitals.

there could also be a bluetooth version that talks to the watch. 

	
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> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> If I was the target market, my iPhone would have a built in, or
>>>> available oximeter.
>>>
>>> and it does. here's one (there may be others):
>>> <http://lgtmedical.com/kenek/edge.html>
>>>
>>> there are also apps that claim to do it. they're not as accurate, but
>>> they're also *much* cheaper than a medical device. here's one such app
>>> (there may be others):
>>> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pulse-oximeter-heart-rate-and-oxygen...
>>> nitor-app/id775632066?mt=8>
>>>
>>> the apple watch monitors resting heart rate and during workouts, but it
>>> currently does not have a pulse oximeter even though the hardware can
>>> do it. perhaps it's a certification issue. it's coming.
>>>
>> I know. For me the pulse oximeter is an important medical issue. I have
>> been using on for almost a year. Total cost $50. I don't know if it as
>> accurate as the Apple,
> 
> apple doesn't make a pulse oximeter.
> 
> third parties do that.
> 
>> but I will look into it, when it plugs directly
>> into the watch.
> 
> a pulse oximeter won't plug directly into the watch.
> 
> that functionality will be part of the watch itself, checking your
> oxygen level as often as you deem necessary, as well as other vitals.
> 
> there could also be a bluetooth version that talks to the watch.
> 

Since the physical measurement device is not available for sale, it is 
vaporware, that I cannot rely on..

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| > a pulse oximeter won't plug directly into the watch.
| >
| > that functionality will be part of the watch itself, checking your
| > oxygen level as often as you deem necessary, as well as other vitals.
| >
| > there could also be a bluetooth version that talks to the watch.
| >
|
| Since the physical measurement device is not available for sale, it is
| vaporware, that I cannot rely on..
|

  It's all a joke. Look up accuracy reports. Apple
watch accuracy is quite good as a heart rate monitor,
as joke watch functions go. (It's still not very good
and the whole idea is idiotic. But within that field
it's tops. :)

  There's no reason to think that an oximeter "app"
would work any better than the x-ray glasses one
can buy from magazines to see fish under water
and look through ladies dresses. Nospam just
automatically spews something pro-Apple, given half
a chance. If you say you want to buy a hot air
balloon he'll probably come up with a balloon shopping
app that's only available on iPhone. will it be
relevant? no. Will it be factual? Probably not.
He doesn't care. 

	
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In article <p2e8mn$13c1$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mayayana<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> 
> | > a pulse oximeter won't plug directly into the watch.
> | >
> | > that functionality will be part of the watch itself, checking your
> | > oxygen level as often as you deem necessary, as well as other vitals.
> | >
> | > there could also be a bluetooth version that talks to the watch.
> | >
> |
> | Since the physical measurement device is not available for sale, it is
> | vaporware, that I cannot rely on..
> 
>   It's all a joke. Look up accuracy reports. Apple
> watch accuracy is quite good as a heart rate monitor,
> as joke watch functions go. (It's still not very good
> and the whole idea is idiotic. But within that field
> it's tops. :)

the only joke is you.

the apple watch has already saved the lives of several people, likely
more because not everyone has a news story about it.

examples such as these come up every so often:

<https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/16/apple-watch-saved-my-life-says-man.h...
  Late last week, Green posted an image from the hospital noting that
  the "stupid lil wrist computer [he] bought 2 years ago" saved his
  life after it notified him of a spiking heart rate.

<https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-houle-apple-watch_us_56018...
e4b08820d91a4688>
  ...The watch indicated his heart rate was 145 beats per minute, a
  full 60 to 80 beats higher than an average resting heart rate. He
  didn 

	
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> "PeterN" <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote
> 
> | > a pulse oximeter won't plug directly into the watch.
> | >
> | > that functionality will be part of the watch itself, checking your
> | > oxygen level as often as you deem necessary, as well as other vitals.
> | >
> | > there could also be a bluetooth version that talks to the watch.
> | >
> |
> | Since the physical measurement device is not available for sale, it is
> | vaporware, that I cannot rely on..
> |
> 
>    It's all a joke. Look up accuracy reports. Apple
> watch accuracy is quite good as a heart rate monitor,
> as joke watch functions go. (It's still not very good
> and the whole idea is idiotic. But within that field
> it's tops. :)
> 
>    There's no reason to think that an oximeter "app"
> would work any better than the x-ray glasses one
> can buy from magazines to see fish under water
> and look through ladies dresses. Nospam just
> automatically spews something pro-Apple, given half
> a chance. If you say you want to buy a hot air
> balloon he'll probably come up with a balloon shopping
> app that's only available on iPhone. will it be
> relevant? no. Will it be factual? Probably not.
> He doesn't care.
> 
> 

Since I was diagnosed with COPD, and my defibrillator/pacemaker 
recalled, I see nothing funny about toy pulse oximeters.


-- 
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| Since I was diagnosed with COPD, and my defibrillator/pacemaker
| recalled, I see nothing funny about toy pulse oximeters.
|

   I can understand that. Even heart monitors are
questionable. For that matter, phone app pedometers
are both silly and inaccurate. But people now
use them to track and plan their health regimens,
trying to maintain a certain number of steps per
day.

   I used to have a friend who was an ER doctor
and very suspicious of herbal remedies. He used
to like to point out that herbal remedies have a
good reputation despite lack of research because
it's usually the healthy people who use them. When
they *really* get sick they use drugs. An
"immune system booster" seems to work well if
you don't get sick after taking it. (Not that I think
herbs are nonsense. something like 30% of our
drugs come from herbs. But there is a lot of
magical thinking going on.)
   One could say the same about frivolous tech
approaches to health. They're there because
there's a market that will pay, not because they
make sense. 

	
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> "PeterN" <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote
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> | Since I was diagnosed with COPD, and my defibrillator/pacemaker
> | recalled, I see nothing funny about toy pulse oximeters.
> |
> 
>     I can understand that. Even heart monitors are
> questionable. For that matter, phone app pedometers
> are both silly and inaccurate. But people now
> use them to track and plan their health regimens,
> trying to maintain a certain number of steps per
> day.
> 
>     I used to have a friend who was an ER doctor
> and very suspicious of herbal remedies. He used
> to like to point out that herbal remedies have a
> good reputation despite lack of research because
> it's usually the healthy people who use them. When
> they *really* get sick they use drugs. An
> "immune system booster" seems to work well if
> you don't get sick after taking it. (Not that I think
> herbs are nonsense. something like 30% of our
> drugs come from herbs. But there is a lot of
> magical thinking going on.)
>     One could say the same about frivolous tech
> approaches to health. They're there because
> there's a market that will pay, not because they
> make sense.

About 1/3 to 1/2 my practice was representing clients in the health care 
field. As a result I have a very high understand of the business end of 
that industry. A very high proportion of oximeters sold to retail 
customers are accurate and consistent enough for general purposes, but 
few are reliable enough for diagnostic purposes. OTOH pulsemeters, 
should be fine, if used properly.


-- 
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> 
> | Since I was diagnosed with COPD, and my defibrillator/pacemaker
> | recalled, I see nothing funny about toy pulse oximeters.
> 
>    I can understand that. Even heart monitors are
> questionable. For that matter, phone app pedometers
> are both silly and inaccurate.

complete nonsense.

> But people now
> use them to track and plan their health regimens,
> trying to maintain a certain number of steps per
> day.

that's a good thing.

>    I used to have a friend who was an ER doctor
> and very suspicious of herbal remedies. He used
> to like to point out that herbal remedies have a
> good reputation despite lack of research because
> it's usually the healthy people who use them. When
> they *really* get sick they use drugs. An
> "immune system booster" seems to work well if
> you don't get sick after taking it. (Not that I think
> herbs are nonsense. something like 30% of our
> drugs come from herbs. But there is a lot of
> magical thinking going on.)

herbal remedies have absolutely nothing to do with health monitoring
devices such as a pulse oximeter or even a pedometer (which nobody but
you mentioned).

>    One could say the same about frivolous tech
> approaches to health. They're there because
> there's a market that will pay, not because they
> make sense. 

there's nothing frivolous about it. 

	
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> "PeterN" <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote
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> | Since I was diagnosed with COPD, and my defibrillator/pacemaker
> | recalled, I see nothing funny about toy pulse oximeters.
> |
> 

An aside, I use a blood pressure monitor - well two actually, from Aldi 
(cheap). They measure within a point or two of each other, and are 
consistently in line with the doctor's measurement.

>     I can understand that. Even heart monitors are
> questionable. For that matter, phone app pedometers
> are both silly and inaccurate. But people now
> use them to track and plan their health regimens,
> trying to maintain a certain number of steps per
> day.
> 

I think that's harsh. They may not be that accurate, but as a relative 
measure of activity and an incentive, if people use them and exercise 
more because of them - good. And they may pick up signs that would 
otherwise go unnoticed.

>     I used to have a friend who was an ER doctor
> and very suspicious of herbal remedies. He used
> to like to point out that herbal remedies have a
> good reputation despite lack of research because
> it's usually the healthy people who use them. When
> they *really* get sick they use drugs. An
> "immune system booster" seems to work well if
> you don't get sick after taking it. (Not that I think
> herbs are nonsense. something like 30% of our
> drugs come from herbs. But there is a lot of
> magical thinking going on.)
>     One could say the same about frivolous tech
> approaches to health. They're there because
> there's a market that will pay, not because they
> make sense.
> 

I really don't think you can. Herbal medicine is a very different ballpark.


-- 
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>On 1/1/2018 4:20 PM, Mayayana wrote:
>> "PeterN" <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote
>> 
>> | > a pulse oximeter won't plug directly into the watch.
>> | >
>> | > that functionality will be part of the watch itself, checking your
>> | > oxygen level as often as you deem necessary, as well as other vitals.
>> | >
>> | > there could also be a bluetooth version that talks to the watch.
>> | >
>> |
>> | Since the physical measurement device is not available for sale, it is
>> | vaporware, that I cannot rely on..
>> |
>> 
>>    It's all a joke. Look up accuracy reports. Apple
>> watch accuracy is quite good as a heart rate monitor,
>> as joke watch functions go. (It's still not very good
>> and the whole idea is idiotic. But within that field
>> it's tops. :)
>> 
>>    There's no reason to think that an oximeter "app"
>> would work any better than the x-ray glasses one
>> can buy from magazines to see fish under water
>> and look through ladies dresses. Nospam just
>> automatically spews something pro-Apple, given half
>> a chance. If you say you want to buy a hot air
>> balloon he'll probably come up with a balloon shopping
>> app that's only available on iPhone. will it be
>> relevant? no. Will it be factual? Probably not.
>> He doesn't care.
>> 
>> 
>
>Since I was diagnosed with COPD, and my defibrillator/pacemaker 
>recalled, I see nothing funny about toy pulse oximeters.

A few years ago my fit bit reported a resting pulse rate of 190.
Fortunately people took notice. Now it is about 85. Medication was all
that was required.
-- 

Regards,

Eric Stevens 

	
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> Don't f--- with other people's property.  Elon (Egomaniac) Musk will find this out as well.

Other companies like Samsung, HTC, Motorola have said now they do not follow this practice. 

	
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In article<38e9a30c-3fdb-4950-80cb-c898a6fc5553@googlegroups.com>,
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> Other companies like Samsung, HTC, Motorola have said now they do not follow
> this practice.

except that android itself does, so they're not being entirely
truthful, and samsung hasn't commented (which means they do).

it also means that there may be sudden unexpected shutdowns when the
battery can't deliver sufficient current, with possible data loss or
hardware damage.

which do you prefer, sudden unexpected shutdowns or throttling peak
loads (but not all) so everything runs smoothly, without issue?