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You KNOW they aren't making a loss, even at $29.00 so their margins on the batteries are HUGE!

https://www.dpreview.com/news/9879147615/apple-apologizes-for-iphone... 

	
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| You KNOW they aren't making a loss, even at $29.00 so their margins on the 
batteries are HUGE!
|

  I already explained that in your last thread
and it was detailed in the BBC link I posted.
Apple may not get caught very often, but you
don't have to rub it in. 

	
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> | You KNOW they aren't making a loss, even at $29.00 so their margins on the 
> batteries are HUGE!
> 
>   I already explained that in your last thread
> and it was detailed in the BBC link I posted.
> Apple may not get caught very often, but you
> don't have to rub it in. 

apple didn't 'get caught'. 

many other products use the same or similar power management for
exactly the same reasons.

there is no avoiding the fact that batteries age and their ability to
source high current loads is reduced over time. 

android phones:
<https://source.android.com/devices/tech/power/mgmt>
  Battery life is a perennial user concern. To extend battery life,
  Android continually adds new features and optimizations to help the
  platform optimize the off-charger behavior of applications and
  devices.

guess what 'optimize the off-charger behavior' means.

it's doublespeak for 'reduce performance when on battery power so it
lasts longer'. 

	
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On Friday, 29 December 2017 10:09:09 UTC-5, nospam  wrote:
> In article <p25i69$fbq$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mayayana
><mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> 
> > | You KNOW they aren't making a loss, even at $29.00 so their margins on the 
> > batteries are HUGE!
> > 
> >   I already explained that in your last thread
> > and it was detailed in the BBC link I posted.
> > Apple may not get caught very often, but you
> > don't have to rub it in. 
> 
> apple didn't 'get caught'. 
> 
> many other products use the same or similar power management for
> exactly the same reasons.
> 
> there is no avoiding the fact that batteries age and their ability to
> source high current loads is reduced over time. 
> 
> android phones:
> <https://source.android.com/devices/tech/power/mgmt>
>   Battery life is a perennial user concern. To extend battery life,
>   Android continually adds new features and optimizations to help the
>   platform optimize the off-charger behavior of applications and
>   devices.
> 
> guess what 'optimize the off-charger behavior' means.
> 
> it's doublespeak for 'reduce performance when on battery power so it
> lasts longer'.

Something about "two wrongs" comes up.
 I presume they do the tests on this?  So, what is the average battery lifespan, what is the decline
in output based on use/time and why not just publish those figures so people would have a reasonable
idea of how long the performance they paid for will work to 100%? 

	
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> On Friday, 29 December 2017 10:09:09 UTC-5, nospam  wrote:
>> In article <p25i69$fbq$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Mayayana
>><mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>> | You KNOW they aren't making a loss, even at $29.00 so their margins on the
>>> batteries are HUGE!
>>>
>>>    I already explained that in your last thread
>>> and it was detailed in the BBC link I posted.
>>> Apple may not get caught very often, but you
>>> don't have to rub it in.
>>
>> apple didn't 'get caught'.
>>
>> many other products use the same or similar power management for
>> exactly the same reasons.
>>
>> there is no avoiding the fact that batteries age and their ability to
>> source high current loads is reduced over time.
>>
>> android phones:
>> <https://source.android.com/devices/tech/power/mgmt>
>>    Battery life is a perennial user concern. To extend battery life,
>>    Android continually adds new features and optimizations to help the
>>    platform optimize the off-charger behavior of applications and
>>    devices.
>>
>> guess what 'optimize the off-charger behavior' means.
>>
>> it's doublespeak for 'reduce performance when on battery power so it
>> lasts longer'.
> 
> Something about "two wrongs" comes up.
>   I presume they do the tests on this?  So, what is the average battery lifespan, what is the
decline in output based on use/time and why not just publish those figures so people would have a
reasonable idea of how long the performance they paid for will work to 100%?
> 
To an engineer who understands charts and graphs, that might make sense. 
But the average customer does not understand. They also don't understand 
that "average" means some will perform better and some will perform worse.

The performance of a battery decreases starting from the day it was 
manufactured.

-- 
Ken Hart
kwhart1@frontier.com 

	
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> > Something about "two wrongs" comes up.
> >   I presume they do the tests on this?  So, what is the average battery
> >   lifespan, what is the decline in output based on use/time and why not
> >   just publish those figures so people would have a reasonable idea of how
> >   long the performance they paid for will work to 100%?
> > 
> To an engineer who understands charts and graphs, that might make sense. 
> But the average customer does not understand. They also don't understand 
> that "average" means some will perform better and some will perform worse.
> 
> The performance of a battery decreases starting from the day it was 
> manufactured.

yep.

also, end users don't understand power management, performance versus
efficiency tradeoffs, maximizing battery life, internal resistance,
voltage drops under load and much more, nor do they need to. 

	
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> 
> Something about "two wrongs" comes up.
>  I presume they do the tests on this?  

far more tests than you can possibly imagine.

not only does apple do tests internally, but each phone is constantly
monitoring its own battery health, managing it on the fly.

plenty of other companies do the same or similar, including android.

>  So, what is the average battery
> lifespan, what is the decline in output based on use/time and why not just
> publish those figures so people would have a reasonable idea 
> of how long the performance they paid for will work to 100%?

they do.

apple states that their batteries are rated to retain 80% capacity over
5 years.

most people get a new phone in 2 years, so the battery will outlast the
useful life of the phone. 

	
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> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > 
> > Something about "two wrongs" comes up.
> >  I presume they do the tests on this?  
> 
> far more tests than you can possibly imagine.
> 
> not only does apple do tests internally, but each phone is constantly
> monitoring its own battery health, managing it on the fly.
> 
> plenty of other companies do the same or similar, including android. 

Who is "android?"  Do you mean Samsung?  If so, they don't do it.  They say. 

	
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> > > Something about "two wrongs" comes up.
> > >  I presume they do the tests on this?  
> > 
> > far more tests than you can possibly imagine.
> > 
> > not only does apple do tests internally, but each phone is constantly
> > monitoring its own battery health, managing it on the fly.
> > 
> > plenty of other companies do the same or similar, including android. 
> 
> Who is "android?" 

all products running google android.

> Do you mean Samsung?  

everyone.

> If so, they don't do it.  They say.

except that the underlying android os does.

<https://source.android.com/devices/tech/power/mgmt>
  Battery life is a perennial user concern. To extend battery life,
  Android continually adds new features and optimizations to help the
  platform optimize the off-charger behavior of applications and
  devices.

not doing that risks sudden unexpected shutdowns and potential data
loss, which is *worse*.

<http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12/20/some-nexus-6ps-have-develop...
battery-early-shutoff-problem-and-its-becoming-a-safety-issue/>
  A number of Nexus 6P owners have reported an alarming battery problem
  with their phones as of Android 7.0 being released for the handset,
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> In article<2e554066-c9ec-498b-8f57-20cc7d9e6450@googlegroups.com>,
> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> Something about "two wrongs" comes up.
>>>>   I presume they do the tests on this?
>>>
>>> far more tests than you can possibly imagine.
>>>
>>> not only does apple do tests internally, but each phone is constantly
>>> monitoring its own battery health, managing it on the fly.
>>>
>>> plenty of other companies do the same or similar, including android.
>>
>> Who is "android?"
> 
> all products running google android.
> 
>> Do you mean Samsung?
> 
> everyone.
> 
>> If so, they don't do it.  They say.
> 
> except that the underlying android os does.
> 
> <https://source.android.com/devices/tech/power/mgmt>
>    Battery life is a perennial user concern. To extend battery life,
>    Android continually adds new features and optimizations to help the
>    platform optimize the off-charger behavior of applications and
>    devices.
> 
> not doing that risks sudden unexpected shutdowns and potential data
> loss, which is *worse*.
> 
> <http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12/20/some-nexus-6ps-have-develop...
> battery-early-shutoff-problem-and-its-becoming-a-safety-issue/>
>    A number of Nexus 6P owners have reported an alarming battery problem
>    with their phones as of Android 7.0 being released for the handset,
>    which causes the phone to power down when the battery gauge still
>    shows anywhere from 10 to 60% battery remaining.
> 

You're damn right they test the batteries. Yet no matter how much 
testing they do, some slip through the cracks. There is a difference 
between the required testing on a medical device and a phone. Yet the 
battery on my defibrillator was recalled. It is being changed Thursday. 
The surgeon put in a warning device if it fails between now and Thursday.

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> most people get a new phone in 2 years, so the battery will outlast the
> useful life of the phone.
> 

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> > most people get a new phone in 2 years, so the battery will outlast the
> > useful life of the phone.
> 
> Cite please.

<http://www.businessinsider.com/how-long-people-wait-to-upgrade-phon...
hart-2017-3>
  According to a recent report from the analyst firm Kantar Worldpanel,
  American users held onto their smartphones for an average of 22.7
  months before upgrading in 2016, up by nearly two months from 2014.
  The difference is just as big in many major European markets.

and a nice pretty graph:
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> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>> most people get a new phone in 2 years, so the battery will outlast the
>>> useful life of the phone.
>>
>> Cite please.
> 
> <http://www.businessinsider.com/how-long-people-wait-to-upgrade-phon...
> hart-2017-3>
>    According to a recent report from the analyst firm Kantar Worldpanel,
>    American users held onto their smartphones for an average of 22.7
>    months before upgrading in 2016, up by nearly two months from 2014.
>    The difference is just as big in many major European markets.
> 
> and a nice pretty graph:
> <http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/58b898a2be967306018b45dd-1...
> 

Average is not equal to most. The only reason I got a new phone is that 
I wanted a larger screen, and am just starting to learn some of the 
photo apps..

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> On 1/1/2018 2:15 PM, nospam wrote:
> > In article<p2du8111gv1@news6.newsguy.com>, PeterN
> > <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net>  wrote:
> >
> > > > most people get a new phone in 2 years, so the battery will outlast the
> > > > useful life of the phone.
> > >
> > > Cite please.
> >
> > <http://www.businessinsider.com/how-long-people-wait-to-upgrade-phon...
> > hart-2017-3>
> > According to a recent report from the analyst firm Kantar Worldpanel,
> > American users held onto their smartphones for an average of 22.7
> > months before upgrading in 2016, up by nearly two months from 2014.
> > The difference is just as big in many major European markets.
> >
> > and a nice pretty graph:
> > <http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/58b898a2be967306018b45dd-1...
>
> Average is not equal to most. The only reason I got a new phone is that
> I wanted a larger screen, and am just starting to learn some of the
> photo apps..

What photo apps are you using on your iPhone?

Along with the Adobe mobile apps; PS Fix, PS Mix, PS Express, & Lightroom 
Mobile/CC there are a few other photo apps to play with on your phone.

Take a look at ProCamera, Snapseed, Pixelmator for starters.
<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/procamera/id694647259>
<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/snapseed/id439438619>
<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pixelmator/id924695435>

Also, if you are using an iPad take a look at Affinity Photo for iPad.
<https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/affinity-photo/id1117941080>

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>> On 1/1/2018 2:15 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article<p2du8111gv1@news6.newsguy.com>, PeterN
>>> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>> most people get a new phone in 2 years, so the battery will outlast the
>>>>> useful life of the phone.
>>>>
>>>> Cite please.
>>>
>>> <http://www.businessinsider.com/how-long-people-wait-to-upgrade-phon...
>>> hart-2017-3>
>>> According to a recent report from the analyst firm Kantar Worldpanel,
>>> American users held onto their smartphones for an average of 22.7
>>> months before upgrading in 2016, up by nearly two months from 2014.
>>> The difference is just as big in many major European markets.
>>>
>>> and a nice pretty graph:
>>> <http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/58b898a2be967306018b45dd-1...
>>
>> Average is not equal to most. The only reason I got a new phone is that
>> I wanted a larger screen, and am just starting to learn some of the
>> photo apps..
> 
> What photo apps are you using on your iPhone?
> 
> Along with the Adobe mobile apps; PS Fix, PS Mix, PS Express, & Lightroom
> Mobile/CC there are a few other photo apps to play with on your phone.
> 
> Take a look at ProCamera, Snapseed, Pixelmator for starters.
> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/procamera/id694647259>
> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/snapseed/id439438619>
> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/pixelmator/id924695435>


I have been playing with LR, Focus, Photoshop Express, Photoblur, & 
Snapseed. There are tons of others, but I am taking baby steps.


> 
> Also, if you are using an iPad take a look at Affinity Photo for iPad.
> <https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/affinity-photo/id1117941080>
> 


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> 
> Something about "two wrongs" comes up.
>   I presume they do the tests on this?  So, what is the average battery lifespan, what is the
decline in output based on use/time and why not just publish those figures so people would have a
reasonable idea of how long the performance they paid for will work to 100%?
> 

The rechargeable batteries for my strobe only have a limited number of 
cycles.

Those interested in battery issues may find this article educational.
<http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/nickel_based_batteries&g...


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> | You KNOW they aren't making a loss, even at $29.00 so their margins on the 
> batteries are HUGE!
> |
> 
>   I already explained that in your last thread
> and it was detailed in the BBC link I posted.
> Apple may not get caught very often, but you
> don't have to rub it in.

I'm not even saying their reasoning for slowing down the phones was wrong, but they should have left
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| I'm not even saying their reasoning for slowing down the phones was wrong, 
but they should have left it as an opinion.
|

 You meant "option"? In any case, they don't have a leg
to stand on. People have been complaining for years.
There are 8 lawsuits. Yet in all that time Apple refused
to even acknowledge what they were doing, much less
explain or provide an end-user option.

  If I find a stranger in my house I assume he's broken
in. What if he says he just came in because he thought
he saw a window unlocked and decided to check them all?
.....But he only admits he broke into my house after I've
called the police....

   Maybe he was telling the truth. But he lied, hid the facts,
and went onto my property without permission. He only
admitted breaking in when he no longer had a choice.
That's Apple's situation. I don't think they're just dutifully
checking window locks, but that's really an academic
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> | I'm not even saying their reasoning for slowing down the phones was wrong, 
> but they should have left it as an opinion.
> 
>  You meant "option"? In any case, they don't have a leg
> to stand on.

yes they do. it's called chemistry and physics.

> People have been complaining for years.

not about this, they haven't, since it only began last january with the
release of 10.2.1, to address a different problem.

> There are 8 lawsuits. Yet in all that time Apple refused
> to even acknowledge what they were doing, much less
> explain or provide an end-user option.

they not only acknowledged it, but disclosed it when they implemented
the changes last year.

prior to that, some phones were experiencing a sudden shutdown. this
*fixes* that problem and *extends* the useful life of the phone.

the lawsuits claim planned obsolescence, yet what apple did is the
*opposite*. 

>   If I find a stranger in my house I assume he's broken
> in. What if he says he just came in because he thought
> he saw a window unlocked and decided to check them all?
> ....But he only admits he broke into my house after I've
> called the police....
> 
>    Maybe he was telling the truth. But he lied, hid the facts,
> and went onto my property without permission. He only
> admitted breaking in when he no longer had a choice.
> That's Apple's situation. I don't think they're just dutifully
> checking window locks, but that's really an academic
> question. They're guilty of trespass, tampering and lying. 

that's nothing at all like apple's situation.

as usual, you are so full of hate you can't see the actual facts nor do
you want to see the facts. you just want to hate. 

	
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> "RichA"<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote
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> | I'm not even saying their reasoning for slowing down the phones was wrong, 
> but they should have left it as an opinion.
> |
> 
>  You meant "option"? In any case, they don't have a leg
> to stand on. People have been complaining for years.
> There are 8 lawsuits. Yet in all that time Apple refused
> to even acknowledge what they were doing, much less
> explain or provide an end-user option.
> 
>   If I find a stranger in my house I assume he's broken
> in. What if he says he just came in because he thought
> he saw a window unlocked and decided to check them all?
> ....But he only admits he broke into my house after I've
> called the police....
> 
>    Maybe he was telling the truth. But he lied, hid the facts,
> and went onto my property without permission. He only
> admitted breaking in when he no longer had a choice.
> That's Apple's situation. I don't think they're just dutifully
> checking window locks, but that's really an academic
> question. They're guilty of trespass, tampering and lying.

I think there were two reasons they did it:
1.  300-500 dead to full charge cycles is enough to hobble a lithium battery, even without fast
charging and this would undoubtedly produce warranty issues with people who do a lot of charging. $$$
2.  It does make people want to go to a new phone if they perceive that their current phone is "too
slow." 

	
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> I think there were two reasons they did it:

both are wrong

> 1.  300-500 dead to full charge cycles is enough to hobble a lithium battery,
> even without fast charging and this would undoubtedly produce warranty issues
> with people who do a lot of charging. $$$

batteries are rated for 80% after 500 cycles, which is *not* in any way
'hobbled' and that's also several *years* in typical use, longer than
most people will keep the phone.

> 2.  It does make people want to go to a new phone if they perceive that their 
> current phone is "too slow."

if it was 'too slow', they'd likely get a competitor's phone.

as has been stated, the reason it was done, is that aging batteries
cannot supply sufficient current for peak demands, so to avoid sudden
unexpected shutdowns or possible hardware damage, peak demand is
reduced (not overall demand as is widely claimed).

there is *no* avoiding battery aging, no matter what product it is.

battery issues are also not unique to apple:
<http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12/20/some-nexus-6ps-have-develop...
battery-early-shutoff-problem-and-its-becoming-a-safety-issue/>
  A number of Nexus 6P owners have reported an alarming battery problem
  with their phones as of Android 7.0 being released for the handset,
  which causes the phone to power down when the battery gauge still  
  shows anywhere from 10 to 60% battery remaining.

which would you prefer? unexpected shutdowns or a reduction of peak
(not overall) performance, which is not noticeable in most cases? 

	
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| I think there were two reasons they did it:
| 1.  300-500 dead to full charge cycles is enough to hobble a lithium 
battery, even without fast charging and this would undoubtedly produce 
warranty issues with people who do a lot of charging. $$$
| 2.  It does make people want to go to a new phone if they perceive that 
their current phone is "too slow."
|

Here's the investigation that led to their admission:

https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/260836-geekbench-data-proves-appl...

  It was added with OS updates. In some cases the throttling
was with batteries only 16 months old. Which would mean
either #2 is true or their batteries are junk.

  If #1 is true then why is it true? Is it normal for a cellphone
to go weak within 1 1/2 years? That doesn't seem to be the
case generally. If it were then people would be regularly
planning to replace batteries, perhaps once per year.

   So it seems likely that they had a bad batch of batteries,
tried to cover it up, and #2 is also partially true. 

	
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>  Is it normal for a cellphone
> to go weak within 1 1/2 years? That doesn't seem to be the
> case generally.

you are mistakenly equating aging, which all batteries do, with weak
batteries.

all batteries age and there's no getting around that. 

eventually, they age enough that they are very weak, but that's not the
issue here.

> If it were then people would be regularly
> planning to replace batteries, perhaps once per year.

nope. the issue is aging batteries that cannot supply peak demands.

>    So it seems likely that they had a bad batch of batteries,
> tried to cover it up, and #2 is also partially true. 

nope. 

	
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> I'm not even saying their reasoning for slowing down the phones was wrong,
> but they should have left it as an opinion.  

nope, because end users don't have all of the necessary information to
make a proper choice.

the wrong choice may result in sudden unexpected shutdowns, potential
data loss and/or hardware damage.

it's also adaptive, based on the load at the time, so they'd be forever
enabling/disabling it. 

	
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> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm not even saying their reasoning for slowing down the phones was wrong,
>> but they should have left it as an opinion.
> 
> nope, because end users don't have all of the necessary information to
> make a proper choice.
> 
> the wrong choice may result in sudden unexpected shutdowns, potential
> data loss and/or hardware damage.
> 
> it's also adaptive, based on the load at the time, so they'd be forever
> enabling/disabling it.
> 

i have an 8+. Outside of telephone calls, I notice a slowdown when I use 
speech to text, and car play.

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> i have an 8+. Outside of telephone calls, I notice a slowdown when I use 
> speech to text, and car play.

based on what metrics?

and if you *really* think it's slow, take it back and have them test
it. you're still under warranty. 

	
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>>
>> i have an 8+. Outside of telephone calls, I notice a slowdown when I use
>> speech to text, and car play.
> 
> based on what metrics?
> 
> and if you *really* think it's slow, take it back and have them test
> it. you're still under warranty.
> 

I plan to. As for metrics, I have been using the hidden Markov formulae 
since 1991. Incorrect interpretations and slow speed of response 
inaccuracy are indicia of power issues.
My 5s was a lot faster in speech to text.

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In article<p2e2tc01j36@news6.newsguy.com>, PeterN
<"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:

> My 5s was a lot faster in speech to text.

except that siri recognition is done server side, not on the phone.