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   "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
    back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
    The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."


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In article<sandman-cf74794e67dcac0429000da076b119a4@individual.net>,
Sandman<mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> <https://www.lightstalking.com/nikon-d850-camera-year-japan>
> 
>    "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
>     back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
>     The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."

dxo numbers are meaningless and 100 is not perfect. the scores can (and
do) go higher). 

the iphone x achieved a 101, as did the pentax and hasselblad medium
format cameras, and you can be certain that they don't produce the same
image quailty. the red helium scored 108.

they also rated the nikon d850 with 14.8 stops of dynamic range, a
mathematical impossibility.

dxo is best ignored. 

	
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On Sunday, 31 December 2017 07:44:37 UTC-5, nospam  wrote:
> In article<sandman-cf74794e67dcac0429000da076b119a4@individual.net>,
> Sandman<mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> 
> > <https://www.lightstalking.com/nikon-d850-camera-year-japan>
> > 
> >    "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
> >     back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
> >     The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."
> 
> dxo numbers are meaningless and 100 is not perfect. the scores can (and
> do) go higher). 
> 
> the iphone x achieved a 101, as did the pentax and hasselblad medium
> format cameras, and you can be certain that they don't produce the same
> image quailty. the red helium scored 108.
> 
> they also rated the nikon d850 with 14.8 stops of dynamic range, a
> mathematical impossibility.
> 
> dxo is best ignored.

Especially when they link lens quality to performance based on the sensor it's in front of.  Ask any
professional optician if lenses "change" quality magically.
In other words, you can slap a Zeiss OTUS lens on a old Panasonic G1 10mp m4/3rds and pronounce it
the worst lens yet tested.  That's DXO. 

	
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>On Sunday, 31 December 2017 07:44:37 UTC-5, nospam  wrote:
>> In article<sandman-cf74794e67dcac0429000da076b119a4@individual.net>,
>> Sandman<mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > <https://www.lightstalking.com/nikon-d850-camera-year-japan>
>> > 
>> >    "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
>> >     back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
>> >     The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."
>> 
>> dxo numbers are meaningless and 100 is not perfect. the scores can (and
>> do) go higher). 
>> 
>> the iphone x achieved a 101, as did the pentax and hasselblad medium
>> format cameras, and you can be certain that they don't produce the same
>> image quailty. the red helium scored 108.
>> 
>> they also rated the nikon d850 with 14.8 stops of dynamic range, a
>> mathematical impossibility.
>> 
>> dxo is best ignored.
>
>Especially when they link lens quality to performance based on the sensor it's in front of.  Ask
any professional optician if lenses "change" quality magically.
>In other words, you can slap a Zeiss OTUS lens on a old Panasonic G1 10mp m4/3rds and pronounce it
the worst lens yet tested.  That's DXO.
> 
DXO tests combinations and if you think camera/sensor plays no part in
image quality you want your head read.
-- 

Regards,

Eric Stevens 

	
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> DXO tests combinations and if you think camera/sensor plays no part in
> image quality you want your head read.

dxo's accounts receivable plays the largest part in their tests. 

	
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> <https://www.lightstalking.com/nikon-d850-camera-year-japan>
>
> "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
> back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
> The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."

All very nice, but as a hobbyist, amateur photographer, is this a camera I 
must have?

I don’t believe so.

-- 

Regards,
Savageduck 

	
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> > Sandman:
> > <https://www.lightstalking.com/nikon-d850-camera-year-japan>
> 
> > "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
> > back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
> > The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."
> 
> All very nice, but as a hobbyist, amateur photographer, is this a
> camera I must have?

> I don’t believe so.

Of course not, nor is anyone saying it is. You must have the D500 :) Just 
kidding, just must have whatever camera feels best for you. I just think the 
D850 is a pretty big deal and an interesting product in the supposedly 
"dying" DSLR market. 

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On Jan 1, 2018, Sandman wrote
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> In article<0001HW.1FF91A1D002787FA7000003882CF@news.giganews.com>,
> Savageduck wrote:
>
> > > Sandman:
> > > <https://www.lightstalking.com/nikon-d850-camera-year-japan>
> >
> > > "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
> > > back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
> > > The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."
> >
> > All very nice, but as a hobbyist, amateur photographer, is this a
> > camera I must have?
>
> > I don’t believe so.
>
> Of course not, nor is anyone saying it is. You must have the D500 :) Just
> kidding, just must have whatever camera feels best for you. I just think the
> D850 is a pretty big deal and an interesting product in the supposedly
> "dying" DSLR market.

Yup! I agree with all that, there is no denying the quality, and capability 
of both the D500, and the D850. If Nikon had released the D500 as a D300S 
successor two years earlier than they did, I might well be using one today 
rather than making my move to the Fujifilm X-Camera system. I am quite happy 
with my X-T2.

-- 

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>> <https://www.lightstalking.com/nikon-d850-camera-year-japan>
>>
>> "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
>> back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
>> The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."
> 
> All very nice, but as a hobbyist, amateur photographer, is this a camera I
> must have?
> 
> I don’t believe so.
> 

I am very tempted, but have to wait. The articulating screen is almost a 
necessity for me.

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> > On Dec 31, 2017, Sandman wrote
> > (in article<sandman-cf74794e67dcac0429000da076b119a4@individual.net>):
> >
> > > <https://www.lightstalking.com/nikon-d850-camera-year-japan>
> > >
> > > "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
> > > back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
> > > The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."
> >
> > All very nice, but as a hobbyist, amateur photographer, is this a camera I
> > must have?
> >
> > I don’t believe so.
>
> I am very tempted, but have to wait. The articulating screen is almost a
> necessity for me.

I have that with my X-T2.

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> On Jan 1, 2018, PeterN wrote
> (in article<p2dvae11hdj@news6.newsguy.com>):
> 
>> On 12/31/2017 8:14 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> On Dec 31, 2017, Sandman wrote
>>> (in article<sandman-cf74794e67dcac0429000da076b119a4@individual.net>):
>>>
>>>> <https://www.lightstalking.com/nikon-d850-camera-year-japan>
>>>>
>>>> "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
>>>> back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
>>>> The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."
>>>
>>> All very nice, but as a hobbyist, amateur photographer, is this a camera I
>>> must have?
>>>
>>> I don’t believe so.
>>
>> I am very tempted, but have to wait. The articulating screen is almost a
>> necessity for me.
> 
> I have that with my X-T2.
> 

Does you Nikon glass work well?

-- 
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> On 1/1/2018 1:38 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> > On Jan 1, 2018, PeterN wrote
> > (in article<p2dvae11hdj@news6.newsguy.com>):
> >
> > > On 12/31/2017 8:14 AM, Savageduck wrote:
> > > > On Dec 31, 2017, Sandman wrote
> > > > (in article<sandman-cf74794e67dcac0429000da076b119a4@individual.net>):
> > > >
> > > > > <https://www.lightstalking.com/nikon-d850-camera-year-japan>
> > > > >
> > > > > "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
> > > > > back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
> > > > > The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."
> > > >
> > > > All very nice, but as a hobbyist, amateur photographer, is this a camera I
> > > > must have?
> > > >
> > > > I don’t believe so.
> > >
> > > I am very tempted, but have to wait. The articulating screen is almost a
> > > necessity for me.
> >
> > I have that with my X-T2.
>
> Does you Nikon glass work well?

What is well?

It works well enough on my D300S, but if you mean on my Fujifilm cameras, I 
have an Nikon-Fuji-X mount adapter which allows me to use my Nikon glass with 
the X-T2. However, that makes everything all manual. No AF, no AE. 
Fortunately, one of the benefits of many of the mirrorless systems is the 
ease of using manual focus, and exposure adjustments.

I also have six Fujinon lenses which have proven to be some of the best glass 
I have ever used. I still have another two or three on my wish list. So there 
has been little need to go to my Nikkor stuff. The only Nikon mount lens I 
have regularly used on the Fujifilm cameras, has been my Tokina 11-16mm 
f/2.8.

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> On Jan 1, 2018, PeterN wrote
> (in article<p2e30s11j36@news6.newsguy.com>):
> 
>> On 1/1/2018 1:38 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> On Jan 1, 2018, PeterN wrote
>>> (in article<p2dvae11hdj@news6.newsguy.com>):
>>>
>>>> On 12/31/2017 8:14 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>>>>> On Dec 31, 2017, Sandman wrote
>>>>> (in article<sandman-cf74794e67dcac0429000da076b119a4@individual.net>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.lightstalking.com/nikon-d850-camera-year-japan>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Nikon D850 is a full-frame DSLR camera with a first-ever
>>>>>> back-illuminated image sensor for vast image quality improvement.
>>>>>> The sensor was the first to achieve 100 points on DXO."
>>>>>
>>>>> All very nice, but as a hobbyist, amateur photographer, is this a camera I
>>>>> must have?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t believe so.
>>>>
>>>> I am very tempted, but have to wait. The articulating screen is almost a
>>>> necessity for me.
>>>
>>> I have that with my X-T2.
>>
>> Does you Nikon glass work well?
> 
> What is well?
> 
> It works well enough on my D300S, but if you mean on my Fujifilm cameras, I
> have an Nikon-Fuji-X mount adapter which allows me to use my Nikon glass with
> the X-T2. However, that makes everything all manual. No AF, no AE.
> Fortunately, one of the benefits of many of the mirrorless systems is the
> ease of using manual focus, and exposure adjustments.
> 
> I also have six Fujinon lenses which have proven to be some of the best glass
> I have ever used. I still have another two or three on my wish list. So there
> has been little need to go to my Nikkor stuff. The only Nikon mount lens I
> have regularly used on the Fujifilm cameras, has been my Tokina 11-16mm
> f/2.8.
> 
I have heard some really good things about the Fuji. My D500 is exactly 
what I want for wildlife & dark landscapes. If I did get the 850, It 
would be a replacement for the 800. I would use it for macro & landscape.
If I did get the 850

-- 
PeterN