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Old news. They are buying the clients...
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On Jan 31, 2018, RichA wrote
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> https://petapixel.com/2018/01/31/fujifilm-takes-xerox-6-1b-deal/

Yup!
I guess that was a better deal than bailing Nikon out.

....and there are a whole bunch of happy Xerox shareholders.
<http://www.fujifilmholdings.com/en/news/2018/0131_01_02.html>

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In article<0001HW.2022CF1501A1EB6D70000F3932CF@news.giganews.com>, 
Savageduck says...
> I guess that was a better deal than bailing Nikon out.

Nikon are losing money?
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http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site 

	
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>> I guess that was a better deal than bailing Nikon out.
> 
> Nikon are losing money?

Yes.

It would not be surprising if Canon's camera division is also 
unprofitable, but cameras are a small part of Canon's business.

Compact point and shoot camera sales have dwindled due to smart phones.

The Fuji mirrorless cameras are now the choice of professionals. I 
teased a professional photographer I know about him selling off all his 
Nikon equipment, and he said that the shift to Fuji by professionals has 
been amazing.

There was already Fuji-Xerox in Asia, they're just taking over all of Xerox. 

	
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In article <p4vlnp$an5$1@dont-email.me>, sms<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> The Fuji mirrorless cameras are now the choice of professionals. I 
> teased a professional photographer I know about him selling off all his 
> Nikon equipment, and he said that the shift to Fuji by professionals has 
> been amazing.

more made up rubbish. what one photographer supposedly did is not any
indication of the entire market. pros overwhelmingly continue to choose
nikon and canon, with a combined 86% share of the market. fuji may be
up slightly, but they're still *way* behind.

<https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2017/02/topcamerabrands.jpg>

<https://petapixel.com/2017/02/16/cameras-captured-winning-shots-worl...
ress-photo-2017/>
  The breakdown of camera brands shows that Canon and Nikon are still
  dominant, but Fujifilm is now seeing more representation:
....
  In terms of camera system used, DSLR cameras were behind 88.8% of the
  winners, mirrorless cameras had 5.55%, and other types represented
  another 5.55%.

last year:
<https://petapixel.com/2016/02/19/here-are-the-cameras-that-won-world...
ess-photo-2016/>
  DSLRs continue to reign supreme when it comes to photojournalism. At
  least 40 of the winning shots were captured using full frame DSLRs 

	
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> In article<0001HW.2022CF1501A1EB6D70000F3932CF@news.giganews.com>,
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> > I guess that was a better deal than bailing Nikon out.
>
> Nikon are losing money?

<https://petapixel.com/2017/06/06/report-claims-japanese-government-a...
fuji-help-nikon/>

-- 

Regards,
Savageduck 

	
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> fuji-help-nikon/>

Japan doesn't want a chinese or Korean company taking over Nikon.

Nikon is very late to mirrorless, which is where all the growth in 
high-value digital cameras is occurring. "Canon and Nikon have both 
dabbled in mirrorless cameras in recent years but have failed to create 
products that are competitive against the offerings of companies like 
Sony and Fujifilm." Unfortunately for Canon and Nikon, this is an 
industry where it can be fatal to be late because few people switch 
systems once they begin acquiring lenses and other accessories.

The Fuji-X series has now become the de-facto mirrorless standard for 
professionals. Nikon recently announced their new Z mount at CES, but 
there won't be much leverage there because existing F mount lenses can't 
be used without some kind of clunky adapter which professionals hate. 
The Nikon 1 mirrorless system has not taken off.

No one thought mirroless would displace SLRs so quickly but the size and 
weight advantages proved irresistible for a) non-studio photography 
(where size and weight don't matter) and b) sports, and wildlife 
photography where continuous auto-focus performance is better with the 
SLR, and an optical viewfinder is preferred. But for other professional 
use, like weddings, the size and weight advantages of mirrorless systems 
are overwhelming. 

	
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> > <https://petapixel.com/2017/06/06/report-claims-japanese-government-a...
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> 
> Japan doesn't want a chinese or Korean company taking over Nikon.
> 
> Nikon is very late to mirrorless, which is where all the growth in 
> high-value digital cameras is occurring. 

Nikon's dithering has been almost as myopic as Kodak thinking digital cameras were a far-off
possibility, in 1989. 

	
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On 2/1/2018 4:11 PM, RichA wrote:
> On Thursday, 1 February 2018 18:31:25 UTC-5, sms  wrote:
>> On 2/1/2018 12:15 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>
>>> <https://petapixel.com/2017/06/06/report-claims-japanese-government-a...
>>> fuji-help-nikon/>
>>
>> Japan doesn't want a chinese or Korean company taking over Nikon.
>>
>> Nikon is very late to mirrorless, which is where all the growth in
>> high-value digital cameras is occurring.
> 
> Nikon's dithering has been almost as myopic as Kodak thinking digital cameras were a far-off
possibility, in 1989.

Or Xerox deciding not to develop ink-jet printers. I worked for Xerox 
back then, in their printer division that made impact printers. 

	
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In article <p50807$h4j$1@dont-email.me>, sms<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> No one thought mirroless would displace SLRs so quickly but the size and 
> weight advantages proved irresistible for a) non-studio photography 
> (where size and weight don't matter) and b) sports, and wildlife 
> photography where continuous auto-focus performance is better with the 
> SLR, and an optical viewfinder is preferred. But for other professional 
> use, like weddings, the size and weight advantages of mirrorless systems 
> are overwhelming.

mirrorless has not displaced slrs. not even remotely close.

<https://petapixel.com/2017/02/16/cameras-captured-winning-shots-worl...
ress-photo-2017/>
  In terms of camera system used, DSLR cameras were behind 88.8% of 
  the winners, mirrorless cameras had 5.55%, and other types represented
  another 5.55%.

maybe one day they will. not today. 

	
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On Feb 1, 2018, sms wrote
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> On 2/1/2018 12:15 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>
> > <https://petapixel.com/2017/06/06/report-claims-japanese-government-a...
> > fuji-help-nikon/>
>
> Japan doesn't want a chinese or Korean company taking over Nikon.
>
> Nikon is very late to mirrorless, which is where all the growth in
> high-value digital cameras is occurring. "Canon and Nikon have both
> dabbled in mirrorless cameras in recent years but have failed to create
> products that are competitive against the offerings of companies like
> Sony and Fujifilm." Unfortunately for Canon and Nikon, this is an
> industry where it can be fatal to be late because few people switch
> systems once they begin acquiring lenses and other accessories.
>
> The Fuji-X series has now become the de-facto mirrorless standard for
> professionals. Nikon recently announced their new Z mount at CES, but
> there won't be much leverage there because existing F mount lenses can't
> be used without some kind of clunky adapter which professionals hate.
> The Nikon 1 mirrorless system has not taken off.
>
> No one thought mirroless would displace SLRs so quickly but the size and
> weight advantages proved irresistible for a) non-studio photography
> (where size and weight don't matter) and b) sports, and wildlife
> photography where continuous auto-focus performance is better with the
> SLR, and an optical viewfinder is preferred. But for other professional
> use, like weddings, the size and weight advantages of mirrorless systems
> are overwhelming.

....and even that is rapidly changing. For studio work there is now the 
Fujifilm GFX50S with MF sensor, and some very good glass. When it comes to 
AF-S/AF-C and tracking, the X-T2, and X-E3 are not far behind DSLR 
performance, and in some comparisons, not all, might even be considered 
better.

<http://thephotofundamentalist.com/uncategorized/returning-to-a-dslr...
mirrorless-canon-5d-iv/>

<http://macfilos.com/photo/2018/1/23/fuji-x-two-years-after-moving-f...
world-of-dslr>

<https://photographylife.com/fuji-x-t2-and-xf-100-400mm-for-bird-phot...

<http://danielkorzeniewskiphoto.com/fuji-gfx-50s-travel-camera/#>

<https://fujilove.com/shooting-motor-sport-in-shanghai/>

<https://fujifilm-blog.com/2017/11/22/sports-photography-as-a-spectat...
racing/#comments>

-- 

Regards,
Savageduck 

	
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> On Feb 1, 2018, sms wrote
> (in article <p50807$h4j$1@dont-email.me>):
>
> > On 2/1/2018 12:15 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> >
> > > <https://petapixel.com/2017/06/06/report-claims-japanese-government-a...
> > > fuji-help-nikon/>
> >
> > Japan doesn't want a chinese or Korean company taking over Nikon.
> >
> > Nikon is very late to mirrorless, which is where all the growth in
> > high-value digital cameras is occurring. "Canon and Nikon have both
> > dabbled in mirrorless cameras in recent years but have failed to create
> > products that are competitive against the offerings of companies like
> > Sony and Fujifilm." Unfortunately for Canon and Nikon, this is an
> > industry where it can be fatal to be late because few people switch
> > systems once they begin acquiring lenses and other accessories.
> >
> > The Fuji-X series has now become the de-facto mirrorless standard for
> > professionals. Nikon recently announced their new Z mount at CES, but
> > there won't be much leverage there because existing F mount lenses can't
> > be used without some kind of clunky adapter which professionals hate.
> > The Nikon 1 mirrorless system has not taken off.
> >
> > No one thought mirroless would displace SLRs so quickly but the size and
> > weight advantages proved irresistible for a) non-studio photography
> > (where size and weight don't matter) and b) sports, and wildlife
> > photography where continuous auto-focus performance is better with the
> > SLR, and an optical viewfinder is preferred. But for other professional
> > use, like weddings, the size and weight advantages of mirrorless systems
> > are overwhelming.
>
> ...and even that is rapidly changing. For studio work there is now the
> Fujifilm GFX50S with MF sensor, and some very good glass. When it comes to
> AF-S/AF-C and tracking, the X-T2, and X-E3 are not far behind DSLR
> performance, and in some comparisons, not all, might even be considered
> better.
>
> <http://thephotofundamentalist.com/uncategorized/returning-to-a-dslr...
>
> <http://macfilos.com/photo/2018/1/23/fuji-x-two-years-after-moving-f...
>
> <https://photographylife.com/fuji-x-t2-and-xf-100-400mm-for-bird-phot...
>
> <http://danielkorzeniewskiphoto.com/fuji-gfx-50s-travel-camera/#>
>
> <https://fujilove.com/shooting-motor-sport-in-shanghai/>
>
> <https://fujifilm-blog.com/2017/11/22/sports-photography-as-a-spectat...

-- 

Regards,
Savageduck 

	
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> ...and even that is rapidly changing. For studio work there is now the
> Fujifilm GFX50S with MF sensor, and some very good glass. When it comes to
> AF-S/AF-C and tracking, the X-T2, and X-E3 are not far behind DSLR
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> better.

True. But we'll still see the BWLs (big white lenses) at sporting events 
for a long time. The faster auto-focus and OVF are essential. 

	
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> But we'll still see the BWLs (big white lenses) at sporting events 
> for a long time. The faster auto-focus and OVF are essential.

and the nikon equivalents. 

	
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In article <p50da8$gvt$1@dont-email.me>, sms says...
> The faster auto-focus

Is that really faster? Mirrorless cameras have a huge advantage because 
their sensors see the scene all the time, analyse it all the time and 
can focus much better on moving targets. 
Mirrored cameras instead are essentially blind all the time and have to 
rely on limited AF sensors.
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> > The faster auto-focus
> 
> Is that really faster? 

yes

> Mirrorless cameras have a huge advantage because 
> their sensors see the scene all the time, analyse it all the time and 
> can focus much better on moving targets. 
> Mirrored cameras instead are essentially blind all the time and have to 
> rely on limited AF sensors.

they're not blind nor are they limited.

in general, slr autofocus is faster, for a variety of reasons. 

	
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On Thursday, 1 February 2018 20:02:03 UTC-5, sms  wrote:
> On 2/1/2018 4:36 PM, Savageduck wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > ...and even that is rapidly changing. For studio work there is now the
> > Fujifilm GFX50S with MF sensor, and some very good glass. When it comes to
> > AF-S/AF-C and tracking, the X-T2, and X-E3 are not far behind DSLR
> > performance, and in some comparisons, not all, might even be considered
> > better.
> 
> True. But we'll still see the BWLs (big white lenses) at sporting events 
> for a long time. The faster auto-focus and OVF are essential.

Less and less now some EVFs don't black-out at all. 

	
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From: Alfred Molon <alfred_molon@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: Fuji buys Xerox. The king is dead
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 13:37:33 +0100
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In article <p50807$h4j$1@dont-email.me>, sms says...
> Japan doesn't want a chinese or Korean company taking over Nikon.

Aside from national pride, are there any other reasons a Chinese or 
Korean company shouldn't be buying Nikon? Do Nikon make any military 
items for instance?
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Alfred Molon

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