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....the compact digital camera...

<https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
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On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
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> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
 

Americans keep bringing up the technological rear. 

	
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On Feb 2, 2018, RichA wrote
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> On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android wrote:
> > ...the compact digital camera...
> >
> > <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
>
> Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.

Just wait for the release of the Digital SpeedGraphic.

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>On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
>> ...the compact digital camera...
>> 
>> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
> 
>
>Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.

Crap.
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> On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 18:40:34 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
> >> ...the compact digital camera...
> >> 
> >> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
> > 
> >
> >Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
> 
> Crap.
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> 
> Regards,
> 
> Eric Stevens

They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog along at 25MB/s while Asia and some
of Europe is at a gig. 

	
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> > >Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
> 
> They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog along at
> 25MB/s while Asia and some of Europe is at a gig.  

nope. gigabit is readily available in the usa, and cheap too. 

	
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On 2018-02-04 00:08:36 +0000, RichA said:

> On Friday, 2 February 2018 22:09:18 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 18:40:34 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
>>>> ...the compact digital camera...
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
>> 
>> Crap.
>> --
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Eric Stevens
> 
> They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog along 
> at 25MB/s while Asia and some of Europe is at a gig.

True, the French Minitel and Swedish Datavison was avaible in the late 
seventies...

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfUVe223Kzg>
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On 2018-02-03 19:08, RichA wrote:
> On Friday, 2 February 2018 22:09:18 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 18:40:34 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
>>>> ...the compact digital camera...
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
>>>
>>>
>>> Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
>>
>> Crap.
>> -- 
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Eric Stevens
> 
> They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog along at 25MB/s while Asia and
some of Europe is at a gig.

Look at Speedtest's compiled results for fixed service (ie: not mobile).

Average speed:

	Singapore (1st) is 166 Mb/s.
	US (8th) is 83.2 Mb/s.
	Canada (16th) is 77 Mb/s.

All of western Europe is slower than the US, except Sweden.  Denmark, 
The Netherlands and Switzerland are essentially tied with the US.

http://www.speedtest.net/global-index

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> On 2018-02-03 19:08, RichA wrote:
>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 22:09:18 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 18:40:34 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
>>>>> ...the compact digital camera...
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
>>> 
>>> Crap.
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Eric Stevens
>> 
>> They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog along 
>> at 25MB/s while Asia and some of Europe is at a gig.
> 
> Look at Speedtest's compiled results for fixed service (ie: not mobile).
> 
> Average speed:
> 
> 	Singapore (1st) is 166 Mb/s.
> 	US (8th) is 83.2 Mb/s.
> 	Canada (16th) is 77 Mb/s.
> 
> All of western Europe is slower than the US, except Sweden.  Denmark, 
> The Netherlands and Switzerland are essentially tied with the US.
> 
> http://www.speedtest.net/global-index

You get what you pay for. I have a 50-100 line and is oki with that 
since I don't stream much, but you can get 500-1000 Mb/s if you pay 
trice... The difference in average between Sweden and the US is minimal 
actually and I guess that the Britts are just chepoos that don't wanna 
punny up!
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> On 2018-02-05 17:34:45 +0000, Alan Browne said:
> 
>> On 2018-02-03 19:08, RichA wrote:
>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 22:09:18 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 18:40:34 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
>>>>>> ...the compact digital camera...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
>>>>
>>>> Crap.
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Eric Stevens
>>>
>>> They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog 
>>> along at 25MB/s while Asia and some of Europe is at a gig.
>>
>> Look at Speedtest's compiled results for fixed service (ie: not mobile).
>>
>> Average speed:
>>
>>     Singapore (1st) is 166 Mb/s.
>>     US (8th) is 83.2 Mb/s.
>>     Canada (16th) is 77 Mb/s.
>>
>> All of western Europe is slower than the US, except Sweden.  Denmark, 
>> The Netherlands and Switzerland are essentially tied with the US.
>>
>> http://www.speedtest.net/global-index
> 
> You get what you pay for. I have a 50-100 line and is oki with that 
> since I don't stream much, but you can get 500-1000 Mb/s if you pay 
> trice... The difference in average between Sweden and the US is minimal 
> actually and I guess that the Britts are just chepoos that don't wanna 
> punny up!

UK: I suspect that's something to do with it - I think 100Mbps is there 
if people are willing to pay. Which as it happens I do - £30/month for 
basic landline and mobile, and 100Mbps internet.

I suppose 1000Mbs would be nice, but hardly necessary. I can download 
1GB through a VPN in a couple of minutes which seems fine.

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On 2018-02-05 14:45, RJH wrote:
> On 05/02/2018 17:54, android wrote:
>> On 2018-02-05 17:34:45 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>
>>> On 2018-02-03 19:08, RichA wrote:
>>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 22:09:18 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 18:40:34 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
>>>>>>> ...the compact digital camera...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
>>>>>
>>>>> Crap.
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric Stevens
>>>>
>>>> They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog 
>>>> along at 25MB/s while Asia and some of Europe is at a gig.
>>>
>>> Look at Speedtest's compiled results for fixed service (ie: not mobile).
>>>
>>> Average speed:
>>>
>>>     Singapore (1st) is 166 Mb/s.
>>>     US (8th) is 83.2 Mb/s.
>>>     Canada (16th) is 77 Mb/s.
>>>
>>> All of western Europe is slower than the US, except Sweden.  Denmark, 
>>> The Netherlands and Switzerland are essentially tied with the US.
>>>
>>> http://www.speedtest.net/global-index
>>
>> You get what you pay for. I have a 50-100 line and is oki with that 
>> since I don't stream much, but you can get 500-1000 Mb/s if you pay 
>> trice... The difference in average between Sweden and the US is 
>> minimal actually and I guess that the Britts are just chepoos that 
>> don't wanna punny up!
> 
> UK: I suspect that's something to do with it - I think 100Mbps is there 
> if people are willing to pay. Which as it happens I do - £30/month for 
> basic landline and mobile, and 100Mbps internet.

That's astoundingly cheap.

> I suppose 1000Mbs would be nice, but hardly necessary. I can download 
> 1GB through a VPN in a couple of minutes which seems fine.

I pay CAD $82 for 120 Mb/s.    Speedtest consistently shows it at 135 
Mb/s even when testing to London/Paris/Tokyo.

Magic Jack (Internet VOIP) for the landline (US$120 for 5 years + $10 / 
year to "keep" the phone no.  Unlimited North American long distance 
included.)

-- 
“When it is all said and done, there are approximately 94 million
  full-time workers in private industry paying taxes to support 102
  million non-workers and 21 million government workers.
  In what world does this represent a strong job market?”
..Jim Quinn 

	
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On 05/02/2018 23:23, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2018-02-05 14:45, RJH wrote:
>> On 05/02/2018 17:54, android wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-05 17:34:45 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-02-03 19:08, RichA wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 22:09:18 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 18:40:34 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
>>>>>>>> ...the compact digital camera...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Crap.
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric Stevens
>>>>>
>>>>> They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog 
>>>>> along at 25MB/s while Asia and some of Europe is at a gig.
>>>>
>>>> Look at Speedtest's compiled results for fixed service (ie: not 
>>>> mobile).
>>>>
>>>> Average speed:
>>>>
>>>>     Singapore (1st) is 166 Mb/s.
>>>>     US (8th) is 83.2 Mb/s.
>>>>     Canada (16th) is 77 Mb/s.
>>>>
>>>> All of western Europe is slower than the US, except Sweden.  
>>>> Denmark, The Netherlands and Switzerland are essentially tied with 
>>>> the US.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.speedtest.net/global-index
>>>
>>> You get what you pay for. I have a 50-100 line and is oki with that 
>>> since I don't stream much, but you can get 500-1000 Mb/s if you pay 
>>> trice... The difference in average between Sweden and the US is 
>>> minimal actually and I guess that the Britts are just chepoos that 
>>> don't wanna punny up!
>>
>> UK: I suspect that's something to do with it - I think 100Mbps is 
>> there if people are willing to pay. Which as it happens I do - 
>> £30/month for basic landline and mobile, and 100Mbps internet.
> 
> That's astoundingly cheap.
> 

This is similar to my deal:

https://www.talktalk.co.uk/shop/broadband/fibrespeedboost/v

They chop/change every few months.


>> I suppose 1000Mbs would be nice, but hardly necessary. I can download 
>> 1GB through a VPN in a couple of minutes which seems fine.
> 
> I pay CAD $82 for 120 Mb/s.    Speedtest consistently shows it at 135 
> Mb/s even when testing to London/Paris/Tokyo.
> 

Actually, I'm only getting 60Mb/s right now - so maybe you don't pay 
that much more than me.


-- 
Cheers, Rob 

	
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>> On 2018-02-05 14:45, RJH wrote:
>>> On 05/02/2018 17:54, android wrote:
>>>> On 2018-02-05 17:34:45 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2018-02-03 19:08, RichA wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 22:09:18 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 18:40:34 -0800 (PST), RichA 
>>>>>>><rander3128@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ...the compact digital camera...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Crap.
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric Stevens
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog 
>>>>>> along at 25MB/s while Asia and some of Europe is at a gig.
>>>>>
>>>>> Look at Speedtest's compiled results for fixed service (ie: not 
>>>>> mobile).
>>>>>
>>>>> Average speed:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Singapore (1st) is 166 Mb/s.
>>>>>     US (8th) is 83.2 Mb/s.
>>>>>     Canada (16th) is 77 Mb/s.
>>>>>
>>>>> All of western Europe is slower than the US, except Sweden. 
>>>>> Denmark, The Netherlands and Switzerland are essentially tied with 
>>>>> the US.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.speedtest.net/global-index
>>>>
>>>> You get what you pay for. I have a 50-100 line and is oki with that 
>>>> since I don't stream much, but you can get 500-1000 Mb/s if you pay 
>>>> trice... The difference in average between Sweden and the US is 
>>>> minimal actually and I guess that the Britts are just chepoos that 
>>>> don't wanna punny up!
>>>
>>> UK: I suspect that's something to do with it - I think 100Mbps is 
>>> there if people are willing to pay. Which as it happens I do - 
>>> £30/month for basic landline and mobile, and 100Mbps internet.
>>
>> That's astoundingly cheap.
>>
> 
> This is similar to my deal:
> 
> https://www.talktalk.co.uk/shop/broadband/fibrespeedboost/v
> 
> They chop/change every few months.
> 
> 
>>> I suppose 1000Mbs would be nice, but hardly necessary. I can download 
>>> 1GB through a VPN in a couple of minutes which seems fine.
>>
>> I pay CAD $82 for 120 Mb/s.    Speedtest consistently shows it at 135 
>> Mb/s even when testing to London/Paris/Tokyo.
>>
> 
> Actually, I'm only getting 60Mb/s right now - so maybe you don't pay 
> that much more than me.
> 
> 

I am limited to two providers. I currently have 75Mb. it's part of a 
bundle. If I switch providers I will get 200Mbs, and save about $30. per 
month. My problem is the bundling. I haven't haven't watched any movies 
for years. I only watch certain cable channels, and they are bundled 
with the movies channels. The only reason I haven't switched is that the 
other provider keeps changing the bundles.

-- 
PeterN 

	
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> I am limited to two providers. I currently have 75Mb. it's part of a 
> bundle. If I switch providers I will get 200Mbs, and save about $30. per 
> month. My problem is the bundling. I haven't haven't watched any movies 
> for years. I only watch certain cable channels, and they are bundled 
> with the movies channels. The only reason I haven't switched is that the 
> other provider keeps changing the bundles.

cut the cord and get it online. 

	
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On 2/7/2018 4:32 PM, nospam wrote:
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> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> I am limited to two providers. I currently have 75Mb. it's part of a
>> bundle. If I switch providers I will get 200Mbs, and save about $30. per
>> month. My problem is the bundling. I haven't haven't watched any movies
>> for years. I only watch certain cable channels, and they are bundled
>> with the movies channels. The only reason I haven't switched is that the
>> other provider keeps changing the bundles.
> 
> cut the cord and get it online.
> 

There are only 2 ISP s allowed where I live. Verizon & Optimum. Both are 
lying leeches.  To get what I want online is too much of a PITA. If you 
know an easy and reliable way, please tell. I looked at sling, but they 
could not provide what I want.

-- 
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>On 2/7/2018 4:32 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article<p5fove01dok@news4.newsguy.com>, PeterN
>> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am limited to two providers. I currently have 75Mb. it's part of a
>>> bundle. If I switch providers I will get 200Mbs, and save about $30. per
>>> month. My problem is the bundling. I haven't haven't watched any movies
>>> for years. I only watch certain cable channels, and they are bundled
>>> with the movies channels. The only reason I haven't switched is that the
>>> other provider keeps changing the bundles.
>> 
>> cut the cord and get it online.
>> 
>
>There are only 2 ISP s allowed where I live. Verizon & Optimum. Both are 
>lying leeches.  To get what I want online is too much of a PITA. If you 
>know an easy and reliable way, please tell. I looked at sling, but they 
>could not provide what I want.

Try Playstation Vue, Hulu, Youtube TV. There are others, and all have
multiple choices. They tend to have the same channels in their basic
service, and as you go up in pricing you should be able to find
everything you want, or you can just add specific channels to the
basic service. And I like Vudu for movies on demand. Amazon Prime also
has its uses, especially if you order lots of stuff online - they give
you free shipping. 

All you need is a streaming box, Roku or something. And an OTA
antenna, if one will work where you live. On-topic: I think Roku has a
DLNA service built in now, so you can look at your photos and videos
on your TV. 

	
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On 08/02/2018 05:38, Bill W wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:08:58 -0500, PeterN
> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/7/2018 4:32 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article<p5fove01dok@news4.newsguy.com>, PeterN
>>> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am limited to two providers. I currently have 75Mb. it's part of a
>>>> bundle. If I switch providers I will get 200Mbs, and save about $30. per
>>>> month. My problem is the bundling. I haven't haven't watched any movies
>>>> for years. I only watch certain cable channels, and they are bundled
>>>> with the movies channels. The only reason I haven't switched is that the
>>>> other provider keeps changing the bundles.
>>>
>>> cut the cord and get it online.
>>>
>>
>> There are only 2 ISP s allowed where I live. Verizon & Optimum. Both are
>> lying leeches.  To get what I want online is too much of a PITA. If you
>> know an easy and reliable way, please tell. I looked at sling, but they
>> could not provide what I want.
> 
> Try Playstation Vue, Hulu, Youtube TV. There are others, and all have
> multiple choices. They tend to have the same channels in their basic
> service, and as you go up in pricing you should be able to find
> everything you want, or you can just add specific channels to the
> basic service. And I like Vudu for movies on demand. Amazon Prime also
> has its uses, especially if you order lots of stuff online - they give
> you free shipping.
> 
> All you need is a streaming box, Roku or something. And an OTA
> antenna, if one will work where you live. On-topic: I think Roku has a
> DLNA service built in now, so you can look at your photos and videos
> on your TV.
> 

It really does depend on your needs I think. I just use the UK streaming 
services - mainly the BBC iPlayer. And Mubi for films (but they're a bit 
arty for me so I may cancel). But I watch very little TV - didn't have a 
licence until recently, bought when it became required for the iPlayer.

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On 2/8/2018 12:38 AM, Bill W wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 00:08:58 -0500, PeterN
> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/7/2018 4:32 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> In article<p5fove01dok@news4.newsguy.com>, PeterN
>>> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am limited to two providers. I currently have 75Mb. it's part of a
>>>> bundle. If I switch providers I will get 200Mbs, and save about $30. per
>>>> month. My problem is the bundling. I haven't haven't watched any movies
>>>> for years. I only watch certain cable channels, and they are bundled
>>>> with the movies channels. The only reason I haven't switched is that the
>>>> other provider keeps changing the bundles.
>>>
>>> cut the cord and get it online.
>>>
>>
>> There are only 2 ISP s allowed where I live. Verizon & Optimum. Both are
>> lying leeches.  To get what I want online is too much of a PITA. If you
>> know an easy and reliable way, please tell. I looked at sling, but they
>> could not provide what I want.
> 
> Try Playstation Vue, Hulu, Youtube TV. There are others, and all have
> multiple choices. They tend to have the same channels in their basic
> service, and as you go up in pricing you should be able to find
> everything you want, or you can just add specific channels to the
> basic service. And I like Vudu for movies on demand. Amazon Prime also
> has its uses, especially if you order lots of stuff online - they give
> you free shipping.

Thanks for your response. I will continue my research.


> 
> All you need is a streaming box, Roku or something. And an OTA
> antenna, if one will work where you live. On-topic: I think Roku has a
> DLNA service built in now, so you can look at your photos and videos
> on your TV.
> 

OTA would not work for me. Indoor reception is terrible, and use of an 
outdoor antenna is not permitted. What I am looking for is to get basic 
Internet service with local channels. I would then use a service that 
allows me to pick only the stations I watch. I have zero interest in the 
movies, except for some old classics.


-- 
PeterN 

	
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> OTA would not work for me. Indoor reception is terrible, and use of an 
> outdoor antenna is not permitted.

yes it is.

<https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/installing-consumer-owned-anten...
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  an antenna on property that he owns or over which he has exclusive
  use or control. This includes single family homes, condominiums,
  cooperatives, townhomes and manufactured homes.

> What I am looking for is to get basic 
> Internet service with local channels. I would then use a service that 
> allows me to pick only the stations I watch. I have zero interest in the 
> movies, except for some old classics.

roku or apple tv. 

	
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> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> OTA would not work for me. Indoor reception is terrible, and use of an
>> outdoor antenna is not permitted.
> 
> yes it is.
> 
> <https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/installing-consumer-owned-anten...
> and-satellite-dishes>
>    Under the OTARD rules, an owner or a tenant has the right to install
>    an antenna on property that he owns or over which he has exclusive
>    use or control. This includes single family homes, condominiums,
>    cooperatives, townhomes and manufactured homes.
> 
What is written is one thing. Practicality is something else. I am not 
about to spend time in litigation, creating a brouhaha with my 
neighbors, to save a few bucks. There is much more to life. e.g. It cost 
us about $50,000 in damages, plus legal fees, because our board would 
not permit a companion dog, which is expressly permitted under the ADA. 
The US attorney handled the litigation for the woman.


>> What I am looking for is to get basic
>> Internet service with local channels. I would then use a service that
>> allows me to pick only the stations I watch. I have zero interest in the
>> movies, except for some old classics.
> 
> roku or apple tv.
> 


-- 
PeterN 

	
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> >> OTA would not work for me. Indoor reception is terrible, and use of an
> >> outdoor antenna is not permitted.
> > 
> > yes it is.
> > 
> > <https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/installing-consumer-owned-anten...
> > and-satellite-dishes>
> >    Under the OTARD rules, an owner or a tenant has the right to install
> >    an antenna on property that he owns or over which he has exclusive
> >    use or control. This includes single family homes, condominiums,
> >    cooperatives, townhomes and manufactured homes.
> > 
> What is written is one thing. Practicality is something else. I am not 
> about to spend time in litigation, creating a brouhaha with my 
> neighbors, to save a few bucks. There is much more to life. e.g. It cost 
> us about $50,000 in damages, plus legal fees, because our board would 
> not permit a companion dog, which is expressly permitted under the ADA. 
> The US attorney handled the litigation for the woman.

put an antenna *inside* your apartment, in window. done. 

	
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> In article<p5iclm0j6h@news2.newsguy.com>, PeterN
> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> OTA would not work for me. Indoor reception is terrible, and use of an
>>>> outdoor antenna is not permitted.
>>>
>>> yes it is.
>>>
>>> <https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/installing-consumer-owned-anten...
>>> and-satellite-dishes>
>>>     Under the OTARD rules, an owner or a tenant has the right to install
>>>     an antenna on property that he owns or over which he has exclusive
>>>     use or control. This includes single family homes, condominiums,
>>>     cooperatives, townhomes and manufactured homes.
>>>
>> What is written is one thing. Practicality is something else. I am not
>> about to spend time in litigation, creating a brouhaha with my
>> neighbors, to save a few bucks. There is much more to life. e.g. It cost
>> us about $50,000 in damages, plus legal fees, because our board would
>> not permit a companion dog, which is expressly permitted under the ADA.
>> The US attorney handled the litigation for the woman.
> 
> put an antenna *inside* your apartment, in window. done.
> 

I did say that would give bad reception.

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> >>>> OTA would not work for me. Indoor reception is terrible, and use of an
> >>>> outdoor antenna is not permitted.
> >>>
> >>> yes it is.
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/installing-consumer-owned-anten...
> >>> and-satellite-dishes>
> >>>     Under the OTARD rules, an owner or a tenant has the right to install
> >>>     an antenna on property that he owns or over which he has exclusive
> >>>     use or control. This includes single family homes, condominiums,
> >>>     cooperatives, townhomes and manufactured homes.
> >>>
> >> What is written is one thing. Practicality is something else. I am not
> >> about to spend time in litigation, creating a brouhaha with my
> >> neighbors, to save a few bucks. There is much more to life. e.g. It cost
> >> us about $50,000 in damages, plus legal fees, because our board would
> >> not permit a companion dog, which is expressly permitted under the ADA.
> >> The US attorney handled the litigation for the woman.
> > 
> > put an antenna *inside* your apartment, in window. done.
> > 
> 
> I did say that would give bad reception.

all you said is that 'indoor reception is terrible'. 

as with everything else you've said, that's vague.

you didn't say how terrible or what type of antenna it was. you also
didn't say whether you put it in a window or more likely put it next to
the tv, which could make a significant difference depending on what
types of material in the walls of your house/condo.

a high gain antenna could work well, possibly even a directional
antenna if all of the stations you want are broadcasting from the same
direction (likely from nyc).

or as has been said before, just get a roku or apple tv and get
whatever channels you want off the 'net. there's a huge selection, from
big names to local channels to niche private channels, even 'those'
channels which you don't want anyone else to know about. 

	
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> In article<p5ima50n0l@news2.newsguy.com>, PeterN
> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> OTA would not work for me. Indoor reception is terrible, and use of an
>>>>>> outdoor antenna is not permitted.
>>>>> 
>>>>> yes it is.
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/installing-consumer-owned-anten...
>>>>> and-satellite-dishes>
>>>>> Under the OTARD rules, an owner or a tenant has the right to install
>>>>> an antenna on property that he owns or over which he has exclusive
>>>>> use or control. This includes single family homes, condominiums,
>>>>> cooperatives, townhomes and manufactured homes.
>>>>> 
>>>> What is written is one thing. Practicality is something else. I am not
>>>> about to spend time in litigation, creating a brouhaha with my
>>>> neighbors, to save a few bucks. There is much more to life. e.g. It cost
>>>> us about $50,000 in damages, plus legal fees, because our board would
>>>> not permit a companion dog, which is expressly permitted under the ADA.
>>>> The US attorney handled the litigation for the woman.
>>> 
>>> put an antenna *inside* your apartment, in window. done.
>>> 
>> 
>> I did say that would give bad reception.
> 
> all you said is that 'indoor reception is terrible'.
> 
> as with everything else you've said, that's vague.
> 
> you didn't say how terrible or what type of antenna it was. you also
> didn't say whether you put it in a window or more likely put it next to
> the tv, which could make a significant difference depending on what
> types of material in the walls of your house/condo.
> 
> a high gain antenna could work well, possibly even a directional
> antenna if all of the stations you want are broadcasting from the same
> direction (likely from nyc).
> 
> or as has been said before, just get a roku or apple tv and get
> whatever channels you want off the 'net. there's a huge selection, from
> big names to local channels to niche private channels, even 'those'
> channels which you don't want anyone else to know about.

You need have a contact with the station. Either visual or bounced 
using terrain and buildings as "mirrors".
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> On 2/8/2018 3:48 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article<p5iclm0j6h@news2.newsguy.com>, PeterN
>> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> OTA would not work for me. Indoor reception is terrible, and use of an
>>>>> outdoor antenna is not permitted.
>>>> 
>>>> yes it is.
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/installing-consumer-owned-anten...
>>>> and-satellite-dishes>
>>>> Under the OTARD rules, an owner or a tenant has the right to install
>>>> an antenna on property that he owns or over which he has exclusive
>>>> use or control. This includes single family homes, condominiums,
>>>> cooperatives, townhomes and manufactured homes.
>>>> 
>>> What is written is one thing. Practicality is something else. I am not
>>> about to spend time in litigation, creating a brouhaha with my
>>> neighbors, to save a few bucks. There is much more to life. e.g. It cost
>>> us about $50,000 in damages, plus legal fees, because our board would
>>> not permit a companion dog, which is expressly permitted under the ADA.
>>> The US attorney handled the litigation for the woman.
>> 
>> put an antenna *inside* your apartment, in window. done.
>> 
> 
> I did say that would give bad reception.

Got a cat?

<http://assets.amuniversal.com/38b8d820d38f01350bcb005056a9545d>

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>On 2/8/2018 2:57 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article<p5i87c011fv@news1.newsguy.com>, PeterN
>> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> OTA would not work for me. Indoor reception is terrible, and use of an
>>> outdoor antenna is not permitted.
>> 
>> yes it is.
>> 
>> <https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/installing-consumer-owned-anten...
>> and-satellite-dishes>
>>    Under the OTARD rules, an owner or a tenant has the right to install
>>    an antenna on property that he owns or over which he has exclusive
>>    use or control. This includes single family homes, condominiums,
>>    cooperatives, townhomes and manufactured homes.
>> 
>What is written is one thing. Practicality is something else. I am not 
>about to spend time in litigation, creating a brouhaha with my 
>neighbors, to save a few bucks. There is much more to life. e.g. It cost 
>us about $50,000 in damages, plus legal fees, because our board would 
>not permit a companion dog, which is expressly permitted under the ADA. 
>The US attorney handled the litigation for the woman.

You should sue your board. The feds never, ever give up. Once they
latch on, they won't let go. Any board that puts an association at
risk like that needs to be removed, at the very least. I can't believe
their attorney would let them fight this, so you have to wonder if
they even consulted with one. If they didn't, it's one more reason to
sue them. 

I'm also very familiar with OTARD. There are separate rules for
condos. You can place an antenna only on an exclusive use common area,
which would probably be only a patio. Otherwise it's an indoor antenna
only. Either way, I assume it's hopeless in many parts of NYC. 

>>> What I am looking for is to get basic
>>> Internet service with local channels. I would then use a service that
>>> allows me to pick only the stations I watch. I have zero interest in the
>>> movies, except for some old classics.
>> 
>> roku or apple tv.
>> 

	
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> >> I am limited to two providers. I currently have 75Mb. it's part of a
> >> bundle. If I switch providers I will get 200Mbs, and save about $30. per
> >> month. My problem is the bundling. I haven't haven't watched any movies
> >> for years. I only watch certain cable channels, and they are bundled
> >> with the movies channels. The only reason I haven't switched is that the
> >> other provider keeps changing the bundles.
> > 
> > cut the cord and get it online.
> 
> There are only 2 ISP s allowed where I live. Verizon & Optimum. Both are 
> lying leeches. 

true, but that doesn't affect getting content.

> To get what I want online is too much of a PITA. If you 
> know an easy and reliable way, please tell. I looked at sling, but they 
> could not provide what I want.

what content do you want?

have you looked at roku or appletv ? 

	
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> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> I am limited to two providers. I currently have 75Mb. it's part of a
>>>> bundle. If I switch providers I will get 200Mbs, and save about $30. per
>>>> month. My problem is the bundling. I haven't haven't watched any movies
>>>> for years. I only watch certain cable channels, and they are bundled
>>>> with the movies channels. The only reason I haven't switched is that the
>>>> other provider keeps changing the bundles.
>>>
>>> cut the cord and get it online.
>>
>> There are only 2 ISP s allowed where I live. Verizon & Optimum. Both are
>> lying leeches.
> 
> true, but that doesn't affect getting content.
> 
>> To get what I want online is too much of a PITA. If you
>> know an easy and reliable way, please tell. I looked at sling, but they
>> could not provide what I want.
> 
> what content do you want?
> 
> have you looked at roku or appletv ?
> 
Thanks, I looked at them. The do not have all of the channels I watch.

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> >> To get what I want online is too much of a PITA. If you
> >> know an easy and reliable way, please tell. I looked at sling, but they
> >> could not provide what I want.
> > 
> > what content do you want?
> > 
> > have you looked at roku or appletv ?
> > 
> Thanks, I looked at them. The do not have all of the channels I watch.

such as which ones?

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> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> To get what I want online is too much of a PITA. If you
>>>> know an easy and reliable way, please tell. I looked at sling, but they
>>>> could not provide what I want.
>>>
>>> what content do you want?
>>>
>>> have you looked at roku or appletv ?
>>>
>> Thanks, I looked at them. The do not have all of the channels I watch.
> 
> such as which ones?
> 
> if you want useful suggestions, you have to cease being vague.
> 

I am vague because I value my privacy. Also, notice that I stated in my 
first comment on this issue, that getting what I want online is too much 
of a PITA. I am talking about the necessary physical setup.


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In article<p5icpb1j6h@news2.newsguy.com>, PeterN
<"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:

> >>>> To get what I want online is too much of a PITA. If you
> >>>> know an easy and reliable way, please tell. I looked at sling, but they
> >>>> could not provide what I want.
> >>>
> >>> what content do you want?
> >>>
> >>> have you looked at roku or appletv ?
> >>>
> >> Thanks, I looked at them. The do not have all of the channels I watch.
> > 
> > such as which ones?
> > 
> > if you want useful suggestions, you have to cease being vague.
> 
> I am vague because I value my privacy.

oh, *those* channels.

> Also, notice that I stated in my 
> first comment on this issue, that getting what I want online is too much 
> of a PITA.

probably not.

> I am talking about the necessary physical setup.

that's the easy part. 

	
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On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 14:47:55 -0500, PeterN
<"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:

>On 2/8/2018 1:19 AM, nospam wrote:
>> In article<p5glkp02fu3@news7.newsguy.com>, PeterN
>> <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> I am limited to two providers. I currently have 75Mb. it's part of a
>>>>> bundle. If I switch providers I will get 200Mbs, and save about $30. per
>>>>> month. My problem is the bundling. I haven't haven't watched any movies
>>>>> for years. I only watch certain cable channels, and they are bundled
>>>>> with the movies channels. The only reason I haven't switched is that the
>>>>> other provider keeps changing the bundles.
>>>>
>>>> cut the cord and get it online.
>>>
>>> There are only 2 ISP s allowed where I live. Verizon & Optimum. Both are
>>> lying leeches.
>> 
>> true, but that doesn't affect getting content.
>> 
>>> To get what I want online is too much of a PITA. If you
>>> know an easy and reliable way, please tell. I looked at sling, but they
>>> could not provide what I want.
>> 
>> what content do you want?
>> 
>> have you looked at roku or appletv ?
>> 
>Thanks, I looked at them. The do not have all of the channels I watch.

But they don't actually offer channels, they are simply the means to
get services & channels. Did you look at the services from the three I
mentioned? Roku is used only as a means to get those services, and
those services provide the channels. 

	
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In article<crfp7d1e02iolaqin5e42dtrvdflh0mpe6@4ax.com>, Bill W<nothing@nowhere.com> wrote:

> >> have you looked at roku or appletv ?
> >> 
> >Thanks, I looked at them. The do not have all of the channels I watch.
> 
> But they don't actually offer channels, they are simply the means to
> get services & channels. Did you look at the services from the three I
> mentioned? Roku is used only as a means to get those services, and
> those services provide the channels. 

yep. there are shitloads of roku channels, some of which are not
mainstream channels and must be manually added. 

apple tv also has a lot of content, although not quite as much as
what's on roku. 

	
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> UK: I suspect that's something to do with it - I think 100Mbps is there 
> if people are willing to pay. Which as it happens I do - £30/month for 
> basic landline and mobile, and 100Mbps internet.
> 
> I suppose 1000Mbs would be nice, but hardly necessary. I can download 
> 1GB through a VPN in a couple of minutes which seems fine.

GBP £34/mo (US $48) for 200 Mbps down, 12 Mbps up.  VirginMedia HFC 
(hybrid fibre cable), co-ax to the house from fibre at the end of the 
street.  Up is a little limiting at times, down is 200 Mbps except 
during the evening (20:00).  I frequently download 700 MB files (weather 
satellite data), and a couple of times a week a full Win-10 install (~4 
GB, I'm on the Windows Insider program.  No local fibre from other 
suppliers yet - I would likely change if there were a competitive offer.

That's Internet /only/ though.  It seems that Virgin don't offer 
anything alike a combined phone/mobile/Internet package.  Produces more 
income, I suppose!

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> On 05/02/2018 17:54, android wrote:
> > On 2018-02-05 17:34:45 +0000, Alan Browne said:
> > 
> >> On 2018-02-03 19:08, RichA wrote:
> >>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 22:09:18 UTC-5, Eric Stevens  wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 18:40:34 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
> >>>>>> ...the compact digital camera...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
> >>>>
> >>>> Crap.
> >>>> -- 
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Eric Stevens
> >>>
> >>> They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog 
> >>> along at 25MB/s while Asia and some of Europe is at a gig.
> >>
> >> Look at Speedtest's compiled results for fixed service (ie: not mobile).
> >>
> >> Average speed:
> >>
> >>     Singapore (1st) is 166 Mb/s.
> >>     US (8th) is 83.2 Mb/s.
> >>     Canada (16th) is 77 Mb/s.
> >>
> >> All of western Europe is slower than the US, except Sweden.  Denmark, 
> >> The Netherlands and Switzerland are essentially tied with the US.
> >>
> >> http://www.speedtest.net/global-index
> > 
> > You get what you pay for. I have a 50-100 line and is oki with that 
> > since I don't stream much, but you can get 500-1000 Mb/s if you pay 
> > trice... The difference in average between Sweden and the US is minimal 
> > actually and I guess that the Britts are just chepoos that don't wanna 
> > punny up!
> 
> UK: I suspect that's something to do with it - I think 100Mbps is there 
> if people are willing to pay. Which as it happens I do - £30/month for 
> basic landline and mobile, and 100Mbps internet.

At home I'm on virgin media £82 a month for TV 100+ channels of mostly crap.
211Mb DL , 12Mb upload ,  about 13ms ping. 

	
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> On 2018-02-03 19:08, RichA wrote:
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> >> On Fri, 2 Feb 2018 18:40:34 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
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> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
> >>
> >> Crap.
> >> -- 
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Eric Stevens
> > 
> > They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog along at 25MB/s while Asia and
some of Europe is at a gig.
> 
> Look at Speedtest's compiled results for fixed service (ie: not mobile).
> 
> Average speed:
> 
> 	Singapore (1st) is 166 Mb/s.
> 	US (8th) is 83.2 Mb/s.
> 	Canada (16th) is 77 Mb/s.
> 
> All of western Europe is slower than the US, except Sweden.   

You do realize that is pure fiction, right?  WHERE is 83.2Mb/s available? And for how much?  I
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>>>>> On Friday, 2 February 2018 01:19:30 UTC-5, android  wrote:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Americans keep bringing up the technological rear.
>>>>
>>>> Crap.
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Eric Stevens
>>>
>>> They created the working internet (if not invented) and now slog along at 25MB/s while Asia and
some of Europe is at a gig.
>>
>> Look at Speedtest's compiled results for fixed service (ie: not mobile).
>>
>> Average speed:
>>
>> 	Singapore (1st) is 166 Mb/s.
>> 	US (8th) is 83.2 Mb/s.
>> 	Canada (16th) is 77 Mb/s.
>>
>> All of western Europe is slower than the US, except Sweden.
> 
> You do realize that is pure fiction, right?  WHERE is 83.2Mb/s available? And for how much?  I
average about 23-25mb/s and pay $80/month.

I posted the link to Speedtest who posted the data.

You do realize what "average" means and how Speedtest works, right? ...

er, never mind...

I _get_ 132 Mb/s consistently on a 120 Mb/s plan even if the speedtest 
site is Tokyo or Paris  (etc.) from Montreal.  $82/mo (tax in).

-- 
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