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The new X-H1 has an oled display instead of an exposure compensation dial.

<https://www.fujirumors.com/leaked-first-fujifilm-x-h1-images/>
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On 09/02/2018 12:34, android wrote:
> The new X-H1 has an oled display instead of an exposure compensation dial.
> 
> <https://www.fujirumors.com/leaked-first-fujifilm-x-h1-images/>

I think I would rather have a compensation dial than an ISO one. 

	
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newshound<newshound@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
> On 09/02/2018 12:34, android wrote:
>> The new X-H1 has an oled display instead of an exposure compensation dial.
>> 
>> <https://www.fujirumors.com/leaked-first-fujifilm-x-h1-images/>
> 
> I think I would rather have a compensation dial than an ISO one.
> 

That is only the X-H1, which is intended primarily as a video machine, not
a still photographer’s camera. The X-H1 is not a new X-T2.

The X-T3, like the X-Pro2, X-T2, and X-E3 will retain the exposure comp
dial. The X-Pro, and X-T families will continue to have an ISO , shutter
speed, and comp dials.

The X-T3 will likely have a BIS sensor which should bring improvements to
performance.

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> newshound<newshound@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 09/02/2018 12:34, android wrote:
>>> The new X-H1 has an oled display instead of an exposure compensation dial.
>>>
>>> <https://www.fujirumors.com/leaked-first-fujifilm-x-h1-images/>
>>
>> I think I would rather have a compensation dial than an ISO one.
>>
> 
> That is only the X-H1, which is intended primarily as a video machine, not
> a still photographer’s camera. The X-H1 is not a new X-T2.
> 
> The X-T3, like the X-Pro2, X-T2, and X-E3 will retain the exposure comp
> dial. The X-Pro, and X-T families will continue to have an ISO , shutter
> speed, and comp dials.
> 
> The X-T3 will likely have a BIS sensor which should bring improvements to
> performance.
> 

Thought you were leaving. Have a great trip. If you're going to 
Capetown, bring your own water.
<http://www.news18.com/news/world/out-of-water-cape-town-will-turn-o...


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> On 2/9/2018 10:45 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>> newshound<newshound@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
>>> On 09/02/2018 12:34, android wrote:
>>>> The new X-H1 has an oled display instead of an exposure compensation dial.
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.fujirumors.com/leaked-first-fujifilm-x-h1-images/>
>>> 
>>> I think I would rather have a compensation dial than an ISO one.
>>> 
>> 
>> That is only the X-H1, which is intended primarily as a video machine, not
>> a still photographer’s camera. The X-H1 is not a new X-T2.
>> 
>> The X-T3, like the X-Pro2, X-T2, and X-E3 will retain the exposure comp
>> dial. The X-Pro, and X-T families will continue to have an ISO , shutter
>> speed, and comp dials.
>> 
>> The X-T3 will likely have a BIS sensor which should bring improvements to
>> performance.
>> 
> 
> Thought you were leaving. Have a great trip. If you're going to 
> Capetown, bring your own water.
>
<http://www.news18.com/news/world/out-of-water-cape-town-will-turn-o...
> 
> 

I left Tuesday at 06:20 for SFO, then SFO to AMS, and now I am in Cape
Town.

AMS Schiphol on Wednesday evening by iPhone.
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/kcsf9xsv306tham/Feb%2009-2054.jpeg>


-- 

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> I left Tuesday at 06:20 for SFO, then SFO to AMS, and now I am in Cape
> Town.
> 
> AMS Schiphol on Wednesday evening by iPhone.
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/kcsf9xsv306tham/Feb%2009-2054.jpeg>

Classic shot!

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> On 09/02/2018 18:21, Savageduck wrote:
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>> I left Tuesday at 06:20 for SFO, then SFO to AMS, and now I am in Cape
>> Town.
>> 
>> AMS Schiphol on Wednesday evening by iPhone.
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/kcsf9xsv306tham/Feb%2009-2054.jpeg>
> 
> Classic shot!
> 

Thanks!

Here are a few more from Schiphol. 
The place gets graveyard quiet late at night.
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/dcbgttbizhc0enr/Feb8-02.jpeg>
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/984hs94gxjddzxt/Feb8-03.jpeg>
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/txlkjpu8j31m5y0/Feb8-04.jpeg>
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/way65mq4mnzg8h0/Feb8-05.jpeg>

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> Thanks!
> 
> Here are a few more from Schiphol.
> The place gets graveyard quiet late at night.
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/dcbgttbizhc0enr/Feb8-02.jpeg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/984hs94gxjddzxt/Feb8-03.jpeg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/txlkjpu8j31m5y0/Feb8-04.jpeg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/way65mq4mnzg8h0/Feb8-05.jpeg>

Thanks!  I'm usually there early or afternoon, never seen it quiet! 
Captures the atmosphere very well.

-- 
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> On 10/02/2018 17:56, Savageduck wrote:
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>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Here are a few more from Schiphol.
>> The place gets graveyard quiet late at night.
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/dcbgttbizhc0enr/Feb8-02.jpeg>
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/984hs94gxjddzxt/Feb8-03.jpeg>
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/txlkjpu8j31m5y0/Feb8-04.jpeg>
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/way65mq4mnzg8h0/Feb8-05.jpeg>
> 
> Thanks!  I'm usually there early or afternoon, never seen it quiet! 
> Captures the atmosphere very well.
> 

BTW: Those four shots were taken with my X-E3.          

I will be back at Schipol on my return trip in a few weeks.

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>> On 09/02/2018 18:21, Savageduck wrote:
>> []
>>> I left Tuesday at 06:20 for SFO, then SFO to AMS, and now I am in Cape
>>> Town.
>>>
>>> AMS Schiphol on Wednesday evening by iPhone.
>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/kcsf9xsv306tham/Feb%2009-2054.jpeg>
>>
>> Classic shot!
>>
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Here are a few more from Schiphol.
> The place gets graveyard quiet late at night.
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/dcbgttbizhc0enr/Feb8-02.jpeg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/984hs94gxjddzxt/Feb8-03.jpeg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/txlkjpu8j31m5y0/Feb8-04.jpeg>
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/way65mq4mnzg8h0/Feb8-05.jpeg>
> 

Nice shots. It sure changed since i was there.

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I like the greyscales, especially #3 - it does a great job bringing out 
the design of the place, like architectural photos from the mid-20th 
century.

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>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/984hs94gxjddzxt/Feb8-03.jpeg>
> 
> I like the greyscales, especially #3 - it does a great job bringing out 
> the design of the place, like architectural photos from the mid-20th 
> century.
> 

Not so much greyscale as Fujifilm in-camera film simulation. In this case
Acros. I shot using a film simulation bracket of Std(Provia), Classic
Chrome, and Acros. 

Here is another photographer’s use of Acros in-camera.
<http://www.mostly.photos/blog/2017/12/2/fuji-x-t2-acros-spitalfield...

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>> On 10 Feb 2018 in rec.photo.digital, Savageduck wrote:
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>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/984hs94gxjddzxt/Feb8-03.jpeg>
>>
>> I like the greyscales, especially #3 - it does a great job bringing out
>> the design of the place, like architectural photos from the mid-20th
>> century.
>>
> 
> Not so much greyscale as Fujifilm in-camera film simulation. In this case
> Acros. I shot using a film simulation bracket of Std(Provia), Classic
> Chrome, and Acros.
> 
> Here is another photographer’s use of Acros in-camera.
> <http://www.mostly.photos/blog/2017/12/2/fuji-x-t2-acros-spitalfield...
> 

I like that soft look. but, why do it in camera. You have so many more 
choices in post.


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>>> On 10 Feb 2018 in rec.photo.digital, Savageduck wrote:
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>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/984hs94gxjddzxt/Feb8-03.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> I like the greyscales, especially #3 - it does a great job bringing out
>>> the design of the place, like architectural photos from the mid-20th
>>> century.
>>> 
>> 
>> Not so much greyscale as Fujifilm in-camera film simulation. In this case
>> Acros. I shot using a film simulation bracket of Std(Provia), Classic
>> Chrome, and Acros.
>> 
>> Here is another photographer’s use of Acros in-camera.
>> <http://www.mostly.photos/blog/2017/12/2/fuji-x-t2-acros-spitalfield...
>> 
> 
> I like that soft look. but, why do it in camera. You have so many more 
> choices in post.
> 
> 

It is to get the Acros film emulation, and if you are shooting RAW+JPEG you
can still have all the post choices you could want.

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> the design of the place, like architectural photos from the mid-20th
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>> On 2/9/2018 10:45 AM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> newshound<newshound@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:
>>>> On 09/02/2018 12:34, android wrote:
>>>>> The new X-H1 has an oled display instead of an exposure compensation dial.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.fujirumors.com/leaked-first-fujifilm-x-h1-images/>
>>>>
>>>> I think I would rather have a compensation dial than an ISO one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That is only the X-H1, which is intended primarily as a video machine, not
>>> a still photographer’s camera. The X-H1 is not a new X-T2.
>>>
>>> The X-T3, like the X-Pro2, X-T2, and X-E3 will retain the exposure comp
>>> dial. The X-Pro, and X-T families will continue to have an ISO , shutter
>>> speed, and comp dials.
>>>
>>> The X-T3 will likely have a BIS sensor which should bring improvements to
>>> performance.
>>>
>>
>> Thought you were leaving. Have a great trip. If you're going to
>> Capetown, bring your own water.
>>
<http://www.news18.com/news/world/out-of-water-cape-town-will-turn-o...
>>
>>
> 
> I left Tuesday at 06:20 for SFO, then SFO to AMS, and now I am in Cape
> Town.
> 
> AMS Schiphol on Wednesday evening by iPhone.
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/kcsf9xsv306tham/Feb%2009-2054.jpeg>


It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.

Was it REALLY cheaper to fly via Europe?

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> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
> 

Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?

There are direct USA-South Africa flights from JFK, Atlanta, Houston, and
D.C. to Johannesburg(JNB), not to CPT. 

The last thing I want to do is to connect between JNB and CPT, if I don’t
need to.

> Was it REALLY cheaper to fly via Europe?
> 

Actually, the route I flew with KLM was the most cost effective for cash,
and seat exhaustion.

If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.


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> If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.

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>> If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.
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> those don't have quite the range you'd need.
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> David B.<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 09/02/2018 18:21
> 
> 
>>
>> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
>>
> 
> Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?

Not personally .... but this is what Google tells me:-

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SFO-CPT&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&...

> There are direct USA-South Africa flights from JFK, Atlanta, Houston, and
> D.C. to Johannesburg(JNB), not to CPT.

Google told me this, too:-

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SFO-CPT&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&...

> The last thing I want to do is to connect between JNB and CPT, if I don’t
> need to.
> 
>> Was it REALLY cheaper to fly via Europe?
>>
> 
> Actually, the route I flew with KLM was the most cost effective for cash,
> and seat exhaustion.

I have little doubt you did lots of research.

Even Google, though, didn't help explain "seat exhaustion". Whatever did 
you mean?!!

> If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.

Of course! :-)

Whilst many will no doubt feel I don't deserve it, I value your 
response, Savageduck. Thank you.

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> On 11/02/2018 00:16, Savageduck wrote:
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>>> On 09/02/2018 18:21
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
>>> 
>> 
>> Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?
> 
> Not personally .... but this is what Google tells me:-
> 
>
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SFO-CPT&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&...

Nothing there is a direct SFO-CPT flight.

> 
>> There are direct USA-South Africa flights from JFK, Atlanta, Houston, and
>> D.C. to Johannesburg(JNB), not to CPT.
> 
> Google told me this, too:-
> 
>
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SFO-CPT&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&...

....and how was that any different to your first Google search?

> 
>> The last thing I want to do is to connect between JNB and CPT, if I don’t
>> need to.
>> 
>>> Was it REALLY cheaper to fly via Europe?
>>> 
>> 
>> Actually, the route I flew with KLM was the most cost effective for cash,
>> and seat exhaustion.
> 
> I have little doubt you did lots of research.
> 
> Even Google, though, didn't help explain "seat exhaustion". Whatever did 
> you mean?!!
> 

Seat exhaustion means having your butt in a seat for 10+ hours from
SFO-AMS, and 11+ hours from AMS-CPT.

>> If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.
> 
> Of course! :-)
> 
> Whilst many will no doubt feel I don't deserve it, I value your 
> response, Savageduck. Thank you.
> 



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>> Even Google, though, didn't help explain "seat exhaustion". Whatever did 
>> you mean?!!
>> 
>
>Seat exhaustion means having your butt in a seat for 10+ hours from
>SFO-AMS, and 11+ hours from AMS-CPT.

We did it in shorter hops.  Munich to Nairobi after ten days in
Germany and Nairobi to Orlando on the return home flight.  But, "seat
exhaustion" required no explanation for me.

We weren't in the seat as much on the Nairobi to Orlando flight.  The
internal effects of the Kenyan drinking water caught up with us in the
last days of our trip, so we made several trips up and down the aisle.

We were careful to drink only bottled water, and even used bottled
water to brush our teeth, but one is still exposed to the local water.
Food - like salad makings - is washed with the local water when it is
prepared, and ice in drinks made with local water.

I don't think the Kenyan water was particularly bad, but the human
digestive system doesn't acclimate well to any change.

-- 
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> David B.<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 11/02/2018 00:16, Savageduck wrote:
>>> David B.<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>> On 09/02/2018 18:21
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?
>>
>> Not personally .... but this is what Google tells me:-
>>
>>
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SFO-CPT&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&...
> 
> Nothing there is a direct SFO-CPT flight.

My quick scan was obviously inadequate. :-(

>>> There are direct USA-South Africa flights from JFK, Atlanta, Houston, and
>>> D.C. to Johannesburg(JNB), not to CPT.
>>
>> Google told me this, too:-
>>
>>
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SFO-CPT&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&...
> 
> ...and how was that any different to your first Google search?

It isn't.

Sadly, I posted the same link. I'd intended to post THIS one:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=LAX-CPT&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&...

>>> The last thing I want to do is to connect between JNB and CPT, if I don’t
>>> need to.
>>>
>>>> Was it REALLY cheaper to fly via Europe?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, the route I flew with KLM was the most cost effective for cash,
>>> and seat exhaustion.
>>
>> I have little doubt you did lots of research.
>>
>> Even Google, though, didn't help explain "seat exhaustion". Whatever did
>> you mean?!!
>>
> 
> Seat exhaustion means having your butt in a seat for 10+ hours from
> SFO-AMS, and 11+ hours from AMS-CPT.

OK - thanks. The longest flight I've ever had took 56 hours (London to 
Sydney). We arrived on the aircraft which had departed from Heathrow 24 
hours after ours had departed - and that was late too!

>>> If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.
>>
>> Of course! :-)
>>
>> Whilst many will no doubt feel I don't deserve it, I value your
>> response, Savageduck. Thank you.

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> > SFO-AMS, and 11+ hours from AMS-CPT.
> 
> OK - thanks. The longest flight I've ever had took 56 hours (London to 
> Sydney). We arrived on the aircraft which had departed from Heathrow 24 
> hours after ours had departed - and that was late too!

no it wasn't.

your *entire* *trip* might have been 56 hours, especially with irrops,
but no one flight was anywhere near that long. 

	
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> In article <z02gC.640190$Al1.136541@fx16.fr7>, David B.
><DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> 
>>> Seat exhaustion means having your butt in a seat for 10+ hours from
>>> SFO-AMS, and 11+ hours from AMS-CPT.
>>
>> OK - thanks. The longest flight I've ever had took 56 hours (London to
>> Sydney). We arrived on the aircraft which had departed from Heathrow 24
>> hours after ours had departed - and that was late too!
> 
> no it wasn't.
> 
> your *entire* *trip* might have been 56 hours, especially with irrops,
> but no one flight was anywhere near that long.

You are correct. :-)

I learn a lot on Usenet!

 
https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=irrop... 

	
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In article <pJ3gC.965920$675.594386@fx22.fr7>, David B.<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> >>> Seat exhaustion means having your butt in a seat for 10+ hours from
> >>> SFO-AMS, and 11+ hours from AMS-CPT.
> >>
> >> OK - thanks. The longest flight I've ever had took 56 hours (London to
> >> Sydney). We arrived on the aircraft which had departed from Heathrow 24
> >> hours after ours had departed - and that was late too!
> > 
> > no it wasn't.
> > 
> > your *entire* *trip* might have been 56 hours, especially with irrops,
> > but no one flight was anywhere near that long.
> 
> You are correct. :-)

i know.

> I learn a lot on Usenet!

if only that were true. 

	
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> In article <z02gC.640190$Al1.136541@fx16.fr7>, David B.
><DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> 
>>> Seat exhaustion means having your butt in a seat for 10+ hours from
>>> SFO-AMS, and 11+ hours from AMS-CPT.
>> 
>> OK - thanks. The longest flight I've ever had took 56 hours (London to 
>> Sydney). We arrived on the aircraft which had departed from Heathrow 24 
>> hours after ours had departed - and that was late too!
> 
> no it wasn't.
> 
> your *entire* *trip* might have been 56 hours, especially with irrops,
> but no one flight was anywhere near that long.
> 

....and there is also the UTC+10 hour time difference to be accounted for.
That means a total actual travel time of ±46 hours, with ±30 hours in the
air. 

-- 
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> nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <z02gC.640190$Al1.136541@fx16.fr7>, David B.
>><DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> Seat exhaustion means having your butt in a seat for 10+ hours from
>>>> SFO-AMS, and 11+ hours from AMS-CPT.
>>>
>>> OK - thanks. The longest flight I've ever had took 56 hours (London to
>>> Sydney). We arrived on the aircraft which had departed from Heathrow 24
>>> hours after ours had departed - and that was late too!
>>
>> no it wasn't.
>>
>> your *entire* *trip* might have been 56 hours, especially with irrops,
>> but no one flight was anywhere near that long.
>>
> 
> ...and there is also the UTC+10 hour time difference to be accounted for.
> That means a total actual travel time of ±46 hours, with ±30 hours in the
> air.

Sadly you are mistaken this time, Savageduck.

It took 56 *REAL* hours from the time of take off from Heathrow until 
the time of arrival in Sydney. Not the easiest of journeys with three 
children under the age of nine!

The original aircraft suffered from mechanical faiure in the Middle East 
and then the aircrew subsequently ran out of flying hours!

-- 
David B. 

	
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David B.<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 12/02/2018 00:28, Savageduck wrote:
>> nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <z02gC.640190$Al1.136541@fx16.fr7>, David B.
>>><DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Seat exhaustion means having your butt in a seat for 10+ hours from
>>>>> SFO-AMS, and 11+ hours from AMS-CPT.
>>>> 
>>>> OK - thanks. The longest flight I've ever had took 56 hours (London to
>>>> Sydney). We arrived on the aircraft which had departed from Heathrow 24
>>>> hours after ours had departed - and that was late too!
>>> 
>>> no it wasn't.
>>> 
>>> your *entire* *trip* might have been 56 hours, especially with irrops,
>>> but no one flight was anywhere near that long.
>>> 
>> 
>> ...and there is also the UTC+10 hour time difference to be accounted for.
>> That means a total actual travel time of ±46 hours, with ±30 hours in the
>> air.
> 
> Sadly you are mistaken this time, Savageduck.
> 
> It took 56 *REAL* hours from the time of take off from Heathrow until 
> the time of arrival in Sydney. Not the easiest of journeys with three 
> children under the age of nine!
> 
> The original aircraft suffered from mechanical faiure in the Middle East 
> and then the aircrew subsequently ran out of flying hours!
> 

However, you were not in the air for 56 hours.

That is totally different to a normal flight, and this is the first time
you have spoken of mechanical, and crew issues to explain the time taken.
Your journey was extended beyond the normal travel time for that particular
trip. The airline obviously had no deliberate intention of turning the trip
into an ordeal for all taking that flight. 

-- 
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On 12/02/2018 17:20, Savageduck wrote:
> David B.<DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 12/02/2018 00:28, Savageduck wrote:
>>> nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In article <z02gC.640190$Al1.136541@fx16.fr7>, David B.
>>>><DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Seat exhaustion means having your butt in a seat for 10+ hours from
>>>>>> SFO-AMS, and 11+ hours from AMS-CPT.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK - thanks. The longest flight I've ever had took 56 hours (London to
>>>>> Sydney). We arrived on the aircraft which had departed from Heathrow 24
>>>>> hours after ours had departed - and that was late too!
>>>>
>>>> no it wasn't.
>>>>
>>>> your *entire* *trip* might have been 56 hours, especially with irrops,
>>>> but no one flight was anywhere near that long.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ...and there is also the UTC+10 hour time difference to be accounted for.
>>> That means a total actual travel time of ±46 hours, with ±30 hours in the
>>> air.
>>
>> Sadly you are mistaken this time, Savageduck.
>>
>> It took 56 *REAL* hours from the time of take off from Heathrow until
>> the time of arrival in Sydney. Not the easiest of journeys with three
>> children under the age of nine!
>>
>> The original aircraft suffered from mechanical faiure in the Middle East
>> and then the aircrew subsequently ran out of flying hours!
>>
> 
> However, you were not in the air for 56 hours.

That is correct.

> That is totally different to a normal flight, and this is the first time
> you have spoken of mechanical, and crew issues to explain the time taken.

Agreed. I had no idea anyone might be interested.

> Your journey was extended beyond the normal travel time for that particular
> trip. The airline obviously had no deliberate intention of turning the trip
> into an ordeal for all taking that flight.

Absolutley not! I did actually write to the Chairman of British Airways 
after the event to point out that due, no doubt, to the mechanical 
problem experienced intially, the next landing was, in my opinion, 
dangerous. My letter WAS acknowledged but I was advised that the 
internal enquiry into the events would not be made public.

-- 
David B. 

	
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> > That is totally different to a normal flight, and this is the first time
> > you have spoken of mechanical, and crew issues to explain the time taken.
> 
> Agreed. I had no idea anyone might be interested.

they aren't. 

	
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<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes: 

> > It took 56 *REAL* hours from the time of take off from Heathrow until 
> > the time of arrival in Sydney. Not the easiest of journeys with three 
> > children under the age of nine!
> > 
> > The original aircraft suffered from mechanical faiure in the Middle East 
> > and then the aircrew subsequently ran out of flying hours!
> > 
> 
> However, you were not in the air for 56 hours.
> 
> That is totally different to a normal flight, and this is the first time
> you have spoken of mechanical, and crew issues to explain the time taken.
> Your journey was extended beyond the normal travel time for that particular
> trip. The airline obviously had no deliberate intention of turning the trip
> into an ordeal for all taking that flight. 

True, but if the problem is how long the bum is on the seat, the height 
of the plane doesn't matter.  London--Sydney is about 24 hours flight 
time, though I don't think that any commercial airlines (can) fly 
non-stop. 

	
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> > > It took 56 *REAL* hours from the time of take off from Heathrow until 
> > > the time of arrival in Sydney. Not the easiest of journeys with three 
> > > children under the age of nine!
> > > 
> > > The original aircraft suffered from mechanical faiure in the Middle East 
> > > and then the aircrew subsequently ran out of flying hours!
> > > 
> > 
> > However, you were not in the air for 56 hours.
> > 
> > That is totally different to a normal flight, and this is the first time
> > you have spoken of mechanical, and crew issues to explain the time taken.
> > Your journey was extended beyond the normal travel time for that particular
> > trip. The airline obviously had no deliberate intention of turning the trip
> > into an ordeal for all taking that flight. 
> 
> True, but if the problem is how long the bum is on the seat, the height 
> of the plane doesn't matter.  London--Sydney is about 24 hours flight 
> time, though I don't think that any commercial airlines (can) fly 
> non-stop.

they can't, which is why the flight is broken up into at least two
segments.

not that it matters, since those in premium cabins can either turn
their seat into a bed, or they actually have a bed.

<https://a380.singaporeair.com/en_UK/#suites-seat-and-bed>
<https://a380.singaporeair.com/en_UK/#business-seat> 

	
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> >>
> >> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
> > 
> > Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?
> 
> Not personally .... but this is what Google tells me:-

you don't understand what it said or what the correct way to research
flights are.

why are you so obsessed with his flight itinerary? 

	
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> In article <9qVfC.958301$675.852893@fx22.fr7>, David B.
><DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> 
>>>> 
>>>> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
>>> 
>>> Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?
>> 
>> Not personally .... but this is what Google tells me:-
> 
> you don't understand what it said or what the correct way to research
> flights are.
> 
> why are you so obsessed with his flight itinerary?

He could be trying to find out if the Duck is a brother in crime of 
his, you know into diamond trafficing or such...
-- 
teleportation kills 

	
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> On 2018-02-11 14:23:42 +0000, nospam said:
> 
>> In article <9qVfC.958301$675.852893@fx22.fr7>, David B.
>><DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?
>>> 
>>> Not personally .... but this is what Google tells me:-
>> 
>> you don't understand what it said or what the correct way to research
>> flights are.
>> 
>> why are you so obsessed with his flight itinerary?
> 
> He could be trying to find out if the Duck is a brother in crime of 
> his, you know into diamond trafficing or such...

;-)

-- 
Regards,
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>In article <9qVfC.958301$675.852893@fx22.fr7>, David B.
><DavidB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> >>
>> >> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
>> > 
>> > Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?
>> 
>> Not personally .... but this is what Google tells me:-
>
>you don't understand what it said or what the correct way to research
>flights are.
>
>why are you so obsessed with his flight itinerary?

He may be planning a career change and join you in doing airplane
aisle market research.  
-- 
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida 

	
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> >> >> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
> >> > 
> >> > Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?
> >> 
> >> Not personally .... but this is what Google tells me:-
> >
> >you don't understand what it said or what the correct way to research
> >flights are.
> >
> >why are you so obsessed with his flight itinerary?
> 
> He may be planning a career change and join you in doing airplane
> aisle market research.

another one of your content-free posts solely to insult. 

	
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>In article<bsv08dt131u94jad2nhtsuisftv1ajn0cs@4ax.com>, Tony Cooper
><tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?
>> >> 
>> >> Not personally .... but this is what Google tells me:-
>> >
>> >you don't understand what it said or what the correct way to research
>> >flights are.
>> >
>> >why are you so obsessed with his flight itinerary?
>> 
>> He may be planning a career change and join you in doing airplane
>> aisle market research.
>
>another one of your content-free posts solely to insult.

In reply to a content-free post solely to insult.

-- 
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida 

	
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> >
> >> >> >> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?
> >> >> 
> >> >> Not personally .... but this is what Google tells me:-
> >> >
> >> >you don't understand what it said or what the correct way to research
> >> >flights are.
> >> >
> >> >why are you so obsessed with his flight itinerary?
> >> 
> >> He may be planning a career change and join you in doing airplane
> >> aisle market research.
> >
> >another one of your content-free posts solely to insult.
> 
> In reply to a content-free post solely to insult.

nope. 

	
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> In article <9qVfC.958301$675.852893@fx22.fr7>, David B.
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> 
>>>>
>>>> It seems odd that you didn't fly directly to Cape Town.
>>>
>>> Do you know of a direct SFO-CPT, or LAX-CPT flight?
>>
>> Not personally .... but this is what Google tells me:-
> 
> you don't understand what it said or what the correct way to research
> flights are.

It appears so. I don't fly much. IIRC it was London to Denver and return 
back in 2004 when I went to Albuquerque to visit my son - who was 
teaching USAF helicopter pilots at Kirtland AFB.

> why are you so obsessed with his flight itinerary?

Not obsessed but the route struck me as odd. I'd have expected him to 
fly directly if possible or else via the Far East/Australia.

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>> why are you so obsessed with his flight itinerary?
> 
> Not obsessed but the route struck me as odd. I'd have expected him to 
> fly directly if possible or else via the Far East/Australia.
> 

....flying from the US West Coast via Far East/Australia would have meant
even more time in aircraft (an extra 14+ hours), and the unnecessary loss
of a day due to crossing the IDL.

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An 18000 km flight. You should move to Europe. From here most places are 
only max. 10-12000 km away.
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Alfred Molon

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> If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.

One day you'll be able to hire a drone and your camera of choice and be able to control it from yuor
home of phone and direct it to almost anywhere in the world to take photos.


BTW meant to ask if anyone here has ever taken a helocopter trip over the grand canyon as recently
one crashed with 6 Brits on board (not that the nationality matters) 3 of who have died in a crash
apparently the 2nd for this company.

I'll hire a drone I think 

	
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>> 
>> If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.
> 
> One day you'll be able to hire a drone and your camera of choice and be
> able to control it from yuor home of phone and direct it to almost
> anywhere in the world to take photos.
> 
Naah! That takes everything away from actually being there.

> 
> BTW meant to ask if anyone here has ever taken a helocopter trip over the
> grand canyon as recently one crashed with 6 Brits on board (not that the
> nationality matters) 3 of who have died in a crash apparently the 2nd for this company.
> 

Not the Grand Canyon, but I have taken a helicopter trip from Skagway,
Alaska up to the Ferrebee Glacier, and that was well worthwhile.

> I'll hire a drone I think 
> 
For the Grand Canyon perhaps, except drones are banned in the US National
Parks, so no drone.



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 Savageduck 

	
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> On Sunday, 11 February 2018 00:16:10 UTC, Savageduck  wrote:
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> 
>>
>> If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.
> 
> One day you'll be able to hire a drone and your camera of choice and be able to control it from
yuor home of phone and direct it to almost anywhere in the world to take photos.
> 
> 
> BTW meant to ask if anyone here has ever taken a helocopter trip over the grand canyon as recently
one crashed with 6 Brits on board (not that the nationality matters) 3 of who have died in a crash
apparently the 2nd for this company.
> 
> I'll hire a drone I think

A sad event indeed. :-(

When we went there, back in 2004, we also visited here:- 
https://explorethecanyon.com/imax-theater/

It's impossible to do justice to the Grand Canyon without you seeing it 
for yourself. It really *IS* awesome!

-- 
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> On Sunday, 11 February 2018 00:16:10 UTC, Savageduck  wrote:
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> 
>> 
>> If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.
> 
> One day you'll be able to hire a drone and your camera of choice and be 
> able to control it from yuor home of phone and direct it to almost 
> anywhere in the world to take photos.
> 
> 
> BTW meant to ask if anyone here has ever taken a helocopter trip over 
> the grand canyon as recently one crashed with 6 Brits on board (not 
> that the nationality matters) 3 of who have died in a crash apparently 
> the 2nd for this company.
> 
> I'll hire a drone I think

You could do it with a web interface and have something like "Kodak 
Picture Spot" preprogrammed so that you could click a spot and have the 
drone go there and make a snap for you. Would be way safer for most 
folks concerned than having people like you trying to operate it 
manually!

<http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Kodak_Photo_Spot>
-- 
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> On 2018-02-13 12:42:43 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
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> > On Sunday, 11 February 2018 00:16:10 UTC, Savageduck  wrote:
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> > 
> >> 
> >> If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.
> > 
> > One day you'll be able to hire a drone and your camera of choice and be 
> > able to control it from yuor home of phone and direct it to almost 
> > anywhere in the world to take photos.
> > 
> > 
> > BTW meant to ask if anyone here has ever taken a helocopter trip over 
> > the grand canyon as recently one crashed with 6 Brits on board (not 
> > that the nationality matters) 3 of who have died in a crash apparently 
> > the 2nd for this company.
> > 
> > I'll hire a drone I think
> 
> You could do it with a web interface and have something like "Kodak 
> Picture Spot" preprogrammed so that you could click a spot and have the 
> drone go there and make a snap for you. Would be way safer for most 
> folks concerned than having people like you trying to operate it 
> manually!
> 
> <http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Kodak_Photo_Spot>

If it's safer than a helicopter I'd consider it.

> -- 
> teleportation kills 

	
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On 2/13/2018 7:42 AM, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Sunday, 11 February 2018 00:16:10 UTC, Savageduck  wrote:
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> 
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>> If I could have afforded it, I would have chartered an executive jet.
> 
> One day you'll be able to hire a drone and your camera of choice and be able to control it from
yuor home of phone and direct it to almost anywhere in the world to take photos.
> 
> 
> BTW meant to ask if anyone here has ever taken a helocopter trip over the grand canyon as recently
one crashed with 6 Brits on board (not that the nationality matters) 3 of who have died in a crash
apparently the 2nd for this company.
> 
> I'll hire a drone I think
> 

I did that years ago. The pilot pointed the nose down and just as we 
crossed over the rim, at the drop off, he played Wagner's The ride of 
the Valkyries.

-- 
PeterN