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Get your K1 and for $550, Pentax will upgrade it (including badges) to a new K1II.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/2162791126/ricoh-will-let-pentax-k-1-o... 

	
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>Get your K1 and for $550, Pentax will upgrade it (including badges) to a new K1II.
>
>https://www.dpreview.com/news/2162791126/ricoh-will-let-pentax-k-1-o...

How long is Pentax going to stay in business? Almost no 3d party
lenses is not a good sign. 

	
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> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:00:26 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Get your K1 and for $550, Pentax will upgrade it (including badges) to 
>> a new K1II.
>> 
>>
https://www.dpreview.com/news/2162791126/ricoh-will-let-pentax-k-1-o... 
>> 
> 
> How long is Pentax going to stay in business? Almost no 3d party
> lenses is not a good sign.

The last time I checked it seemed like most Pentax lenses was rebranded 
Tokinas. That might have changed. Let's remember Pentax for the 
affordable cameras in the sixties and the often stellar Takumars lenses 
they made to go with them...
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> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:00:26 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >Get your K1 and for $550, Pentax will upgrade it (including badges) to a new K1II.
> >
>
>https://www.dpreview.com/news/2162791126/ricoh-will-let-pentax-k-1-o...
> 
> How long is Pentax going to stay in business? Almost no 3d party
> lenses is not a good sign.

Screw Tamron and underdog Tokina, they hardly represent much in the way of 3rd party lenses.  They
are the ones who refuse to make lenses for brands other than Canon, Nikon and a smattering of Sony. 

	
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>On Wednesday, 21 February 2018 22:15:28 UTC-5, Bill W  wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:00:26 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Get your K1 and for $550, Pentax will upgrade it (including badges) to a new K1II.
>> >
>>
>https://www.dpreview.com/news/2162791126/ricoh-will-let-pentax-k-1-o...
>> 
>> How long is Pentax going to stay in business? Almost no 3d party
>> lenses is not a good sign.
>
>Screw Tamron and underdog Tokina, they hardly represent much in the way of 3rd party lenses.  They
are the ones who refuse to make lenses for brands other than Canon, Nikon and a smattering of Sony.

It's Sigma that I worry about. They used to include Pentax mounts with
all their offerings, but not any more. 

	
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> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:42:36 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Wednesday, 21 February 2018 22:15:28 UTC-5, Bill W  wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:00:26 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Get your K1 and for $550, Pentax will upgrade it (including badges) to 
>>>> a new K1II.
>>>> 
>>>>
https://www.dpreview.com/news/2162791126/ricoh-will-let-pentax-k-1-o... 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> How long is Pentax going to stay in business? Almost no 3d party
>>> lenses is not a good sign.
>> 
>> Screw Tamron and underdog Tokina, they hardly represent much in the way 
>> of 3rd party lenses.  They are the ones who refuse to make lenses for 
>> brands other than Canon, Nikon and a smattering of Sony.
> 
> It's Sigma that I worry about. They used to include Pentax mounts with
> all their offerings, but not any more.

They are smelling the blood in the water. They make cameras too, you 
know... ;-ppp
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> On Wednesday, 21 February 2018 22:15:28 UTC-5, Bill W  wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:00:26 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Get your K1 and for $550, Pentax will upgrade it (including badges) to a new K1II.
>>>
>>>
https://www.dpreview.com/news/2162791126/ricoh-will-let-pentax-k-1-o...
>>
>> How long is Pentax going to stay in business? Almost no 3d party
>> lenses is not a good sign.
> 
> Screw Tamron and underdog Tokina, they hardly represent much in the way of 3rd party lenses.  They
are the ones who refuse to make lenses for brands other than Canon, Nikon and a smattering of Sony.
> 

I was not aware of any law or rule, moral or legislated, saying that a 
manufacturer and/or distributor of camera lenses cannot make economic 
decisions. How is that decision causing a negative impact on society.

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> > How long is Pentax going to stay in business? Almost no 3d party
> > lenses is not a good sign.
> 
> Screw Tamron and underdog Tokina, they hardly represent much in the way of
> 3rd party lenses. 

nonsense. tamron & tokina make some very good lenses, and unlike sigma,
they don't fall apart.

> They are the ones who refuse to make lenses for brands
> other than Canon, Nikon and a smattering of Sony.

there aren't enough customers to justify bothering. 

	
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> nonsense. tamron & tokina make some very good lenses, and unlike sigma,
> they don't fall apart.

any recent evidence for that that ain't anecdotal?
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> > nonsense. tamron & tokina make some very good lenses, and unlike sigma,
> > they don't fall apart.
> 
> any recent evidence for that that ain't anecdotal?

lensrentals.com had several reliability reports of which lenses were
the most trouble, citing sigma as being the worst to the point where
they refused to carry sigma lenses when another maker had a similar
lens.

some simga lenses were dead on arrival from sigma, never having been
rented to anyone, and when lensrentals contacted sigma for repairs,
sigma said user damage. 

sigma ultimately forced lensrentals to take most of those reports down.

some older sigma lenses were held together with tape:
<https://www.pentaxuser.com/forum/topic/Lots-of-Lenses--Help-1193/p-0...
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  On another Sigma lens I had, the front part came loose, and the lens
  wouldn't focus. I discovered that it was attached not by screws, but
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>Get your K1 and for $550, Pentax will upgrade it (including badges) to a new K1II.
>
>https://www.dpreview.com/news/2162791126/ricoh-will-let-pentax-k-1-o...

I just looked into it. It's priced about the same as the K1, but it
also has the same shitty AF, especially for moving subjects. That, and
the uncertainty about the company's future make it a shaky investment.
I won't be getting one, and those upgrades mean nothing if Pentax goes
away. And if you buy a  K1 now, that with the upgrade to the K1 II
will cost more than the list for the Mark II.

I am surprised, though, that the list on the original K1 hasn't
collapsed as you'd expect for a Pentax. 

	
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> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:00:26 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >Get your K1 and for $550, Pentax will upgrade it (including badges) to a new K1II.
> >
>
>https://www.dpreview.com/news/2162791126/ricoh-will-let-pentax-k-1-o...
> 
> I just looked into it. It's priced about the same as the K1, but it
> also has the same shitty AF, especially for moving subjects. That, and
> the uncertainty about the company's future make it a shaky investment.
> I won't be getting one, and those upgrades mean nothing if Pentax goes
> away. And if you buy a  K1 now, that with the upgrade to the K1 II
> will cost more than the list for the Mark II.
> 
> I am surprised, though, that the list on the original K1 hasn't
> collapsed as you'd expect for a Pentax.

I thought Pentax photo division actually made money?  Could be wrong.  But I love how some shooters
are SO concerned with cutting-edge focus when their efforts hardly ever merit it and better
technique in most cases could help overcome the deficit. 

	
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>On Wednesday, 21 February 2018 22:39:53 UTC-5, Bill W  wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:00:26 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Get your K1 and for $550, Pentax will upgrade it (including badges) to a new K1II.
>> >
>>
>https://www.dpreview.com/news/2162791126/ricoh-will-let-pentax-k-1-o...
>> 
>> I just looked into it. It's priced about the same as the K1, but it
>> also has the same shitty AF, especially for moving subjects. That, and
>> the uncertainty about the company's future make it a shaky investment.
>> I won't be getting one, and those upgrades mean nothing if Pentax goes
>> away. And if you buy a  K1 now, that with the upgrade to the K1 II
>> will cost more than the list for the Mark II.
>> 
>> I am surprised, though, that the list on the original K1 hasn't
>> collapsed as you'd expect for a Pentax.
>
>I thought Pentax photo division actually made money?  Could be wrong.  But I love how some shooters
are SO concerned with cutting-edge focus when their efforts hardly ever merit it and better
technique in most cases could help overcome the deficit.

Focus matters if you like shooting fast things, like I do. Race cars,
planes, whatever, good AF matters. 

	
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> On Wednesday, 21 February 2018 22:39:53 UTC-5, Bill W  wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:00:26 -0800 (PST), RichA<rander3128@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Get your K1 and for $550, Pentax will upgrade it (including badges) to a new K1II.
>>>
>>>
https://www.dpreview.com/news/2162791126/ricoh-will-let-pentax-k-1-o...
>>
>> I just looked into it. It's priced about the same as the K1, but it
>> also has the same shitty AF, especially for moving subjects. That, and
>> the uncertainty about the company's future make it a shaky investment.
>> I won't be getting one, and those upgrades mean nothing if Pentax goes
>> away. And if you buy a  K1 now, that with the upgrade to the K1 II
>> will cost more than the list for the Mark II.
>>
>> I am surprised, though, that the list on the original K1 hasn't
>> collapsed as you'd expect for a Pentax.
> 
> I thought Pentax photo division actually made money?  Could be wrong.  But I love how some
shooters are SO concerned with cutting-edge focus when their efforts hardly ever merit it and better
technique in most cases could help overcome the deficit.
> 

Some photographers take good pictures, and other photographers get taken 
good by camera manufacturers.

-- 
PeterN