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I had an opportunity to do some shooting today, so here are a few via my
iPad. Included are some panos. All adjustments were made with LR CC Mobile.
All shots have been resized to deal with local bandwidth conditions.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqmgmu7x7tpzoig/_DSF0281.jpg>

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/jurglhfl9blq5ac/_DSF0285.jpg>

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/acq0k1i5kvbxxwv/_DSF0313.jpg>

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayixpe2xvfx1zo7/_DSF0328.jpg>

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqyevtknz5i597v/_DSF0330.jpg>

The Panos:
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/3kpsagw46i0v56p/_DSF0300.jpg>

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wq87ifze6xpixo/_DSF0332b.jpg>


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On 23/02/2018 18:07, Savageduck wrote:
> I had an opportunity to do some shooting today, so here are a few via my
> iPad. Included are some panos. All adjustments were made with LR CC Mobile.
> All shots have been resized to deal with local bandwidth conditions.
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqmgmu7x7tpzoig/_DSF0281.jpg>
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jurglhfl9blq5ac/_DSF0285.jpg>
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> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
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> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayixpe2xvfx1zo7/_DSF0328.jpg>
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> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqyevtknz5i597v/_DSF0330.jpg>
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> The Panos:
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/3kpsagw46i0v56p/_DSF0300.jpg>
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wq87ifze6xpixo/_DSF0332b.jpg>

All good!

Thanks for sharing! :-)

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in rec.photo.digital, wrote: 

> On 23/02/2018 18:07, Savageduck wrote:
>> I had an opportunity to do some shooting today, so here are a few
>> via my iPad. Included are some panos. All adjustments were made
>> with LR CC Mobile. All shots have been resized to deal with local
>> bandwidth conditions. 
>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqmgmu7x7tpzoig/_DSF0281.jpg>
>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jurglhfl9blq5ac/_DSF0285.jpg>
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>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
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>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqyevtknz5i597v/_DSF0330.jpg>
>> 
>> The Panos:
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/3kpsagw46i0v56p/_DSF0300.jpg>
>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wq87ifze6xpixo/_DSF0332b.jpg>
> 
> All good!
> 
> Thanks for sharing! :-)
> 

You should issue him an apology for previous threat of doxing, David. 
And do keep in mind, he didn't give you permission to copy his 
pictures and upload them elsewhere. See if you can honor that.


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I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite is the boats and
hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to make one geometric triangle that
dominates the shot. 

	
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RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
> 
> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot. 

Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
if I'm referring to the same one as you:

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>

Surely this can be corrected post-processing

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On 2018-02-28 03:40:09 +0000, m-m said:

> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
>> 
>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
> 
> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
> 
> Surely this can be corrected post-processing

Give the Duck a break. He did that on the go with an iPad! :-))
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> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
>> 
>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot. 
> 
> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
> 
> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
> 

I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>

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> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
>> 
>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
>> 
>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
>> 
> 
> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>

You haven't got that vacation thing down right!

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
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android<here@there.was> wrote:
> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
> 
>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
>>> 
>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
>>> 
>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
>>> 
>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
>>> 
>> 
>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
> 
> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
> 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>

Not exactly. ;-)

With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
do?

-- 
Regards,
 Savageduck 

	
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> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
>> 
>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
>>> 
>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
>> 
>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
>> 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
> 
> Not exactly. ;-)
> 
> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
> do?

Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that 
the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
-- 
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> On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
> 
>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>> 
>>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
>>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
>>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
>>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
>>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
>>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
>>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
>>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
>>> 
>>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
>>> 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
>> 
>> Not exactly. ;-)
>> 
>> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
>> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
>> do?
> 
> Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that 
> the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))

The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.

<https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>

-- 
Regards,
 Savageduck 

	
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> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>> On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
>> 
>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>>> 
>>>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
>>>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
>>>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
>>>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
>>>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
>>>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
>>>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
>>>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
>>> 
>>> Not exactly. ;-)
>>> 
>>> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
>>> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
>>> do?
>> 
>> Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that
>> the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
> 
> The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
> about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
> where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
> hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.
> 
> <https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>

Sure, happy days! Spectrography is very interesting... The real Hubble 
killer would be this one though:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Southern_Observatory#Very_Lar... 

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> On 2018-02-28 07:38:14 +0000, Savageduck said:
> 
> > android<here@there.was> wrote:
> >> On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
> >> 
> >>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
> >>>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
> >>>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
> >>>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
> >>>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
> >>>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
> >>>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
> >>>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
> >>>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
> >>>> 
> >>>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
> >>>> 
> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
> >>> 
> >>> Not exactly. ;-)
> >>> 
> >>> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
> >>> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
> >>> do?
> >> 
> >> Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that
> >> the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
> > 
> > The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
> > about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
> > where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
> > hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.
> > 
> > <https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>
> 
> Sure, happy days! Spectrography is very interesting... The real Hubble 
> killer would be this one though:
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Southern_Observatory#Very_Lar... 
> 
> -- 
> teleportation kills

Until the James Webb Space Telescope comes online in 2019. 

	
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> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 08:42:03 UTC, android  wrote:
>> On 2018-02-28 07:38:14 +0000, Savageduck said:
>> 
>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>>> 
>>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
>>>>>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
>>>>>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
>>>>>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
>>>>>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
>>>>>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
>>>>>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not exactly. ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
>>>>> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
>>>>> do?
>>>> 
>>>> Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that
>>>> the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
>>> 
>>> The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
>>> about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
>>> where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
>>> hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.
>>> 
>>> <https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>
>> 
>> Sure, happy days! Spectrography is very interesting... The real Hubble
>> killer would be this one though:
>> 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Southern_Observatory#Very_Lar... 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> teleportation kills
> 
> Until the James Webb Space Telescope comes online in 2019.

Then it will be a Hubble killer still! "The VLTI can achieve an angular 
resolution of milliarcseconds, equivalent to the ability to see the 
headlights of a car on the moon." :-))
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Subject: Re: A Few Shots From South Africa
From: Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
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On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 13:04:46 UTC, android  wrote:
> On 2018-02-28 11:05:36 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> 
> > On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 08:42:03 UTC, android  wrote:
> >> On 2018-02-28 07:38:14 +0000, Savageduck said:
> >> 
> >>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
> >>>> On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
> >>>>>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
> >>>>>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
> >>>>>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
> >>>>>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
> >>>>>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
> >>>>>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Not exactly. ;-)
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
> >>>>> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
> >>>>> do?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that
> >>>> the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
> >>> 
> >>> The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
> >>> about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
> >>> where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
> >>> hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.
> >>> 
> >>> <https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>
> >> 
> >> Sure, happy days! Spectrography is very interesting... The real Hubble
> >> killer would be this one though:
> >> 
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Southern_Observatory#Very_Lar... 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --
> >> teleportation kills
> > 
> > Until the James Webb Space Telescope comes online in 2019.
> 
> Then it will be a Hubble killer still! "The VLTI can achieve an angular 
> resolution of milliarcseconds, equivalent to the ability to see the 
> headlights of a car on the moon." :-))

But there aren't any car headlights on the moon to see ;-P

> -- 
> teleportation kills 

	
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> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 13:04:46 UTC, android  wrote:
>> On 2018-02-28 11:05:36 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 08:42:03 UTC, android  wrote:
>>>> On 2018-02-28 07:38:14 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>>> 
>>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
>>>>>>>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
>>>>>>>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
>>>>>>>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
>>>>>>>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
>>>>>>>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
>>>>>>>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Not exactly. ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
>>>>>>> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
>>>>>>> do?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that
>>>>>> the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
>>>>> 
>>>>> The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
>>>>> about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
>>>>> where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
>>>>> hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>
>>>> 
>>>> Sure, happy days! Spectrography is very interesting... The real Hubble
>>>> killer would be this one though:
>>>> 
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Southern_Observatory#Very_Lar... 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> teleportation kills
>>> 
>>> Until the James Webb Space Telescope comes online in 2019.
>> 
>> Then it will be a Hubble killer still! "The VLTI can achieve an angular
>> resolution of milliarcseconds, equivalent to the ability to see the
>> headlights of a car on the moon." :-))
> 
> But there aren't any car headlights on the moon to see ;-P
> 
>> --
>> teleportation kills

And you know that how? Things change you know...
-- 
teleportation kills 

	
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On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:41:12 UTC, android  wrote:
> On 2018-02-28 16:28:50 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> 
> > On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 13:04:46 UTC, android  wrote:
> >> On 2018-02-28 11:05:36 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> >> 
> >>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 08:42:03 UTC, android  wrote:
> >>>> On 2018-02-28 07:38:14 +0000, Savageduck said:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>>>>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
> >>>>>>>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
> >>>>>>>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
> >>>>>>>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
> >>>>>>>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
> >>>>>>>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
> >>>>>>>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Not exactly. ;-)
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
> >>>>>>> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
> >>>>>>> do?
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that
> >>>>>> the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
> >>>>> about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
> >>>>> where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
> >>>>> hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> <https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sure, happy days! Spectrography is very interesting... The real Hubble
> >>>> killer would be this one though:
> >>>> 
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Southern_Observatory#Very_Lar... 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> --
> >>>> teleportation kills
> >>> 
> >>> Until the James Webb Space Telescope comes online in 2019.
> >> 
> >> Then it will be a Hubble killer still! "The VLTI can achieve an angular
> >> resolution of milliarcseconds, equivalent to the ability to see the
> >> headlights of a car on the moon." :-))
> > 
> > But there aren't any car headlights on the moon to see ;-P
> > 
> >> --
> >> teleportation kills
> 
> And you know that how? Things change you know...
> -- 
> teleportation kills

Can you tell me which apollo mission (or any other) that took car headlights to the moon. ? 

	
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> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:41:12 UTC, android  wrote:
> > On 2018-02-28 16:28:50 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> > 
> > > On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 13:04:46 UTC, android  wrote:
> > >> On 2018-02-28 11:05:36 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> > >> 
> > >>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 08:42:03 UTC, android  wrote:
> > >>>> On 2018-02-28 07:38:14 +0000, Savageduck said:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
> > >>>>>>>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
> > >>>>>>>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
> > >>>>>>>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
> > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
> > >>>>>>>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
> > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
> > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
> > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
> > >>>>>>>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
> > >>>>>>>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
> > >>>>>>>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
> > >>>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
> > >>>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> Not exactly. ;-)
> > >>>>>>> 
> > >>>>>>> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
> > >>>>>>> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
> > >>>>>>> do?
> > >>>>>> 
> > >>>>>> Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that
> > >>>>>> the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
> > >>>>> about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
> > >>>>> where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
> > >>>>> hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> <https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Sure, happy days! Spectrography is very interesting... The real Hubble
> > >>>> killer would be this one though:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Southern_Observatory#Very_Lar... 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> teleportation kills
> > >>> 
> > >>> Until the James Webb Space Telescope comes online in 2019.
> > >> 
> > >> Then it will be a Hubble killer still! "The VLTI can achieve an angular
> > >> resolution of milliarcseconds, equivalent to the ability to see the
> > >> headlights of a car on the moon." :-))
> > > 
> > > But there aren't any car headlights on the moon to see ;-P
> > > 
> > >> --
> > >> teleportation kills
> > 
> > And you know that how? Things change you know...
> > -- 
> > teleportation kills
> 
> Can you tell me which apollo mission (or any other) that took car headlights to the moon. ?

Actually, they did take a corner reflector up there (at least once), so headlights on Earth which
happen to shine light that way would have a direct path reflected back to Earth.  


-hh 

	
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Subject: Re: A Few Shots From South Africa
From: Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com>
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On Thursday, 1 March 2018 11:17:52 UTC, -hh  wrote:
> On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 5:33:38 AM UTC-5, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:41:12 UTC, android  wrote:
> > > On 2018-02-28 16:28:50 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> > > 
> > > > On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 13:04:46 UTC, android  wrote:
> > > >> On 2018-02-28 11:05:36 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> > > >> 
> > > >>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 08:42:03 UTC, android  wrote:
> > > >>>> On 2018-02-28 07:38:14 +0000, Savageduck said:
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
> > > >>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
> > > >>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
> > > >>>>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
> > > >>>>>>>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
> > > >>>>>>>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
> > > >>>>>>>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
> > > >>>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
> > > >>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
> > > >>>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
> > > >>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>> Not exactly. ;-)
> > > >>>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>>> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
> > > >>>>>>> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
> > > >>>>>>> do?
> > > >>>>>> 
> > > >>>>>> Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that
> > > >>>>>> the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
> > > >>>>> 
> > > >>>>> The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
> > > >>>>> about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
> > > >>>>> where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
> > > >>>>> hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.
> > > >>>>> 
> > > >>>>> <https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> Sure, happy days! Spectrography is very interesting... The real Hubble
> > > >>>> killer would be this one though:
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Southern_Observatory#Very_Lar... 
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> 
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> teleportation kills
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Until the James Webb Space Telescope comes online in 2019.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Then it will be a Hubble killer still! "The VLTI can achieve an angular
> > > >> resolution of milliarcseconds, equivalent to the ability to see the
> > > >> headlights of a car on the moon." :-))
> > > > 
> > > > But there aren't any car headlights on the moon to see ;-P
> > > > 
> > > >> --
> > > >> teleportation kills
> > > 
> > > And you know that how? Things change you know...
> > > -- 
> > > teleportation kills
> > 
> > Can you tell me which apollo mission (or any other) that took car headlights to the moon. ?
> 
> Actually, they did take a corner reflector up there (at least once), so headlights on Earth which
happen to shine light that way would have a direct path reflected back to Earth.  

There's no headlight on earth that could do that, what they left there was for a laser to be shone
to measure the distance to the moon oer time. There;s no way a headlamp would be bright enough or be
able to produce a beam bright enough to reach the moon and reflect back, it's difficult enough with
a high power laser who beam only reflects back a very small amount of light in fact the reflected
light is too weak to see with the human eye. Out of 10^17 photons aimed at the reflector, only one
is received back on Earth every few seconds, even under good conditions.


> 
> 
> -hh 

	
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On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 7:19:12 AM UTC-5, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Thursday, 1 March 2018 11:17:52 UTC, -hh  wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 5:33:38 AM UTC-5, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > Can you tell me which apollo mission (or any other) that 
> > > took car headlights to the moon. ?
> > 
> > Actually, they did take a corner reflector up there (at least once),
> > so headlights on Earth which happen to shine light that way would
> > have a direct path reflected back to Earth.  
> 
> There's no headlight on earth that could do that, what they left 
> there was for a laser to be shone to measure the distance to the
> moon oer time.

True, it was for a laser (which is light), but it was also designed
in the 1960s using 1960s technology for the receive sensor.  

> There;s no way a headlamp would be bright enough or be able to
> produce a beam bright enough to reach the moon and reflect back,
> it's difficult enough with a high power laser who beam only reflects
> back a very small amount of light in fact the reflected light is
> too weak to see with the human eye. 

Human eye?  Oh, sorry:  I thought this was about the ability of a
machine (Hubble's replacement) to have adequate senor resolution.

>Out of 10^17 photons aimed at the reflector, ...

which is another way of saying ~0.25 Joules worth...

> only one is received back on Earth every few seconds, even under
> good conditions.

Sure, but that's at the power level you specified.  

In contrast, Class4 laser today (minimum of 500mW) sell for as
little as $100 today, and 2W & 5W versions are pretty commonplace
(and why they're such a safety threat to aviation).  

Case in point, here's a 10W green Class4 for only $250:

<http://www.everyonetobuy.com/green-10000mw-burning-laser-pointer-pe...

....that's 20x the power level you picked, and its an off-the-shelf 
commercial product.

Plus we can similarly look at the sensor side, to see how much that
technology to detect the return signal has improved over the last
50 years...

Case in point:  Nikon D5 goes up to ISO 3,280,000, which has 15x 
the light sensitivity of classical old ISO 100 film.  


-hh 

	
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> On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 7:19:12 AM UTC-5, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Thursday, 1 March 2018 11:17:52 UTC, -hh  wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 5:33:38 AM UTC-5, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > Can you tell me which apollo mission (or any other) that 
> > > > took car headlights to the moon. ?
> > > 
> > > Actually, they did take a corner reflector up there (at least once),
> > > so headlights on Earth which happen to shine light that way would
> > > have a direct path reflected back to Earth.  
> > 
> > There's no headlight on earth that could do that, what they left 
> > there was for a laser to be shone to measure the distance to the
> > moon oer time.
> 
> True, it was for a laser (which is light), but it was also designed
> in the 1960s using 1960s technology for the receive sensor. 

The apollos were 1960s technology too, well most that went to the moon were.

 

> > There;s no way a headlamp would be bright enough or be able to
> > produce a beam bright enough to reach the moon and reflect back,
> > it's difficult enough with a high power laser who beam only reflects
> > back a very small amount of light in fact the reflected light is
> > too weak to see with the human eye. 
> 
> Human eye?  Oh, sorry:  I thought this was about the ability of a
> machine (Hubble's replacement) to have adequate senor resolution.

It does but it still won't see headlamps on the moon any more than it'll find the Spaghetti mosnster
on the moon.

> 
> >Out of 10^17 photons aimed at the reflector, ...
> 
> which is another way of saying ~0.25 Joules worth...

so not a lot then.

> 
> > only one is received back on Earth every few seconds, even under
> > good conditions.
> 
> Sure, but that's at the power level you specified. 

A power much higher than the aveage car headlight.
 
> 
> In contrast, Class4 laser today (minimum of 500mW) sell for as
> little as $100 today, and 2W & 5W versions are pretty commonplace
> (and why they're such a safety threat to aviation).  

Yes well aircraft don't fly at the same distance from the earth as the moon orbits.
> 
> Case in point, here's a 10W green Class4 for only $250:

I bet they can;t get that to reflect off something on the moon, and I bet such a laser if on the
moon couldn;t be seen from earth.

> 
> <http://www.everyonetobuy.com/green-10000mw-burning-laser-pointer-pe...
> 
> ...that's 20x the power level you picked, and its an off-the-shelf 
> commercial product.

I didnl;t piuck any power level and it;s not really the power that is all important, at the distance
the moon is the small beam would be about 5 metres in diameter, spreading the light out.


> Plus we can similarly look at the sensor side, to see how much that
> technology to detect the return signal has improved over the last
> 50 years...

and how much the reflector has deterioded over that time.

> 
> Case in point:  Nikon D5 goes up to ISO 3,280,000, which has 15x 
> the light sensitivity of classical old ISO 100 film. 

So, it still won't be able to see the laser beam.
 
> 
> 
> -hh 

	
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Whisky-dave<whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> > In contrast, Class4 laser today (minimum of 500mW) sell for as
> > little as $100 today, and 2W & 5W versions are pretty commonplace
> > (and why they're such a safety threat to aviation).  
> 
> Yes well aircraft don't fly at the same distance from the earth as the moon
> orbits.

elon musk's tesla goes much further than that. 

	
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> In article<2b09434a-01a8-4de4-a4be-85035cba4256@googlegroups.com>,
> Whisky-dave<whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > In contrast, Class4 laser today (minimum of 500mW) sell for as
> > > little as $100 today, and 2W & 5W versions are pretty commonplace
> > > (and why they're such a safety threat to aviation).  
> > 
> > Yes well aircraft don't fly at the same distance from the earth as the moon
> > orbits.
> 
> elon musk's tesla goes much further than that.

And the voyagers even further and we are still in contact with them. 

	
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On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:34:10 AM UTC-5, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Thursday, 1 March 2018 13:47:41 UTC, -hh  wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 7:19:12 AM UTC-5, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 1 March 2018 11:17:52 UTC, -hh  wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 5:33:38 AM UTC-5, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > Can you tell me which apollo mission (or any other) that 
> > > > > took car headlights to the moon. ?
> > > > 
> > > > Actually, they did take a corner reflector up there (at least once),
> > > > so headlights on Earth which happen to shine light that way would
> > > > have a direct path reflected back to Earth.  
> > > 
> > > There's no headlight on earth that could do that, what they left 
> > > there was for a laser to be shone to measure the distance to the
> > > moon oer time.
> > 
> > True, it was for a laser (which is light), but it was also designed
> > in the 1960s using 1960s technology for the receive sensor. 
> 
> The apollos were 1960s technology too, well most that went to the moon were.

True, and as such, the only relevant technology question that this
poses is to what degree the technology has changed in the fabrication
of pentaprisms for the retroreflectors.  Simple answer there is that
it relies on mechanical geometry (and optical quality) which certainly
has improved over the past 50 years, but not by orders of magnitude.


> > > There;s no way a headlamp would be bright enough or be able to
> > > produce a beam bright enough to reach the moon and reflect back,
> > > it's difficult enough with a high power laser who beam only reflects
> > > back a very small amount of light in fact the reflected light is
> > > too weak to see with the human eye. 
> > 
> > Human eye?  Oh, sorry:  I thought this was about the ability of a
> > machine (Hubble's replacement) to have adequate senor resolution.
> 
> It does but it still won't see headlamps on the moon any more than
>  it'll find the Spaghetti mosnster on the moon.

Except for how the whole "headlight on the moon" was simply a layman's
explanation of how much better the replacement is over Hubble.


> > >Out of 10^17 photons aimed at the reflector, ...
> > 
> > which is another way of saying ~0.25 Joules worth...
> 
> so not a lot then.

Depends on context.  Here, the context is in raising the 
power on a terrestrial transmitter to go do something.

 
> > > only one is received back on Earth every few seconds, 
> > > even under good conditions.
> > 
> > Sure, but that's at the power level you specified. 
> 
> A power much higher than the aveage car headlight.

There's been mere automotive headlights for sale that
are in the 100-200 Watt range for decades, and for a 
good halogen, figure 35lumens per watt...or use a HID
because their conversion efficiency is ~twice that. 

Similarly, I still own a couple of old camera strobes 
whose outputs were 200 Watt-seconds, which when you 
consider the short time duration of a strobe means that 
their peak output was easily 20 kJ (@ 10msec) if not
more (100 kJ @ 2msec).  True, this isn't narrow beam
focused like a laser, but more of that's an optics
based divergence question.


> > In contrast, Class4 laser today (minimum of 500mW) sell for as
> > little as $100 today, and 2W & 5W versions are pretty commonplace
> > (and why they're such a safety threat to aviation).  
> 
> Yes well aircraft don't fly at the same distance from the 
> earth as the moon orbits.

Considering that 99% of that distance has no atmosphere for signal
attenuation, the distance only matters from the perspective of the
optical path's divergence angle.  


> > Case in point, here's a 10W green Class4 for only $250:
> 
> I bet they can;t get that to reflect off something on the moon,
> and I bet such a laser if on the moon couldn;t be seen from earth.

Oh, it will definitely reflect ... that's basic physics.  The 
question is if you have a good enough sensor technology to detect
(reliably) the return signal.  Point is that our sensor tech is a
lot better today than it was back in 1969. 


> > <http://www.everyonetobuy.com/green-10000mw-burning-laser-pointer-pe...
> > 
> > ...that's 20x the power level you picked, and its an off-the-shelf 
> > commercial product.
> 
> I didnl;t piuck any power level and it;s not really the power
> that is all important, at the distance the moon is the small beam
> would be about 5 metres in diameter, spreading the light out.

The light still gets there, and that which isn't absorbed will be
reflected, some of which back in the direction of Earth.  And because
atmospheric attenuation also isn't 100.0%, some *will* get through
to where it could be detected, given a good enough detector.  That's
all basic & immutable physics.  


> > Plus we can similarly look at the sensor side, to see how much that
> > technology to detect the return signal has improved over the last
> > 50 years...
> 
> and how much the reflector has deterioded over that time.

Yes, there's been some deterioration that has been detected, but
that a performance shift has been detected is also illustrating 
that contemporary sensor tech is better today than in decades past.  


> > Case in point:  Nikon D5 goes up to ISO 3,280,000, which has 15x 
> > the light sensitivity of classical old ISO 100 film. 
> 
> So, it still won't be able to see the laser beam.

Can't make that determination for sure without more literature research,
but it is a damn safe bet that that modern sensor is more sensitive than 
what they were originally using back in 1969.  


-hh 

	
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> On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:34:10 AM UTC-5, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > On Thursday, 1 March 2018 13:47:41 UTC, -hh  wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 7:19:12 AM UTC-5, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, 1 March 2018 11:17:52 UTC, -hh  wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 5:33:38 AM UTC-5, Whisky-dave wrote:
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > Can you tell me which apollo mission (or any other) that 
> > > > > > took car headlights to the moon. ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Actually, they did take a corner reflector up there (at least once),
> > > > > so headlights on Earth which happen to shine light that way would
> > > > > have a direct path reflected back to Earth.  
> > > > 
> > > > There's no headlight on earth that could do that, what they left 
> > > > there was for a laser to be shone to measure the distance to the
> > > > moon oer time.
> > > 
> > > True, it was for a laser (which is light), but it was also designed
> > > in the 1960s using 1960s technology for the receive sensor. 
> > 
> > The apollos were 1960s technology too, well most that went to the moon were.
> 
> True, and as such, the only relevant technology question that this
> poses is to what degree the technology has changed in the fabrication
> of pentaprisms for the retroreflectors. 

Well not really, it has little to do with what's on the moon.
Niethe rthe hubble or James webb were NOT designed to photograph the moon and niether will be used
to lok at the moon.


> Simple answer there is that
> it relies on mechanical geometry (and optical quality) which certainly
> has improved over the past 50 years, but not by orders of magnitude.

The optical quality of what exactly the james webb willl, be significantly better than the hubble if
all goes to plan, what you mean by orders of magnitide I don't know.


> > > > There;s no way a headlamp would be bright enough or be able to
> > > > produce a beam bright enough to reach the moon and reflect back,
> > > > it's difficult enough with a high power laser who beam only reflects
> > > > back a very small amount of light in fact the reflected light is
> > > > too weak to see with the human eye. 
> > > 
> > > Human eye?  Oh, sorry:  I thought this was about the ability of a
> > > machine (Hubble's replacement) to have adequate senor resolution.
> > 
> > It does but it still won't see headlamps on the moon any more than
> >  it'll find the Spaghetti mosnster on the moon.
> 
> Except for how the whole "headlight on the moon" was simply a layman's
> explanation of how much better the replacement is over Hubble.

But there was never any comparision of what the hubble could see on the moon was there, show me this
comparision.



> > > >Out of 10^17 photons aimed at the reflector, ...
> > > 
> > > which is another way of saying ~0.25 Joules worth...
> > 
> > so not a lot then.
> 
> Depends on context.  Here, the context is in raising the 
> power on a terrestrial transmitter to go do something.

and that has little to do with the hubble or james webb as they won't be terrestrial, you have to
compare like with like.

  
> > > > only one is received back on Earth every few seconds, 
> > > > even under good conditions.
> > > 
> > > Sure, but that's at the power level you specified. 
> > 
> > A power much higher than the aveage car headlight.
> 
> There's been mere automotive headlights for sale that
> are in the 100-200 Watt range for decades, and for a 
> good halogen, figure 35lumens per watt...or use a HID
> because their conversion efficiency is ~twice that. 
> 
> Similarly, I still own a couple of old camera strobes 
> whose outputs were 200 Watt-seconds, which when you 
> consider the short time duration of a strobe means that 
> their peak output was easily 20 kJ (@ 10msec) if not
> more (100 kJ @ 2msec).  True, this isn't narrow beam
> focused like a laser, but more of that's an optics
> based divergence question.

and not even close to the lasers pulse that is used to measure earth moon distance.

 
 
> > > In contrast, Class4 laser today (minimum of 500mW) sell for as
> > > little as $100 today, and 2W & 5W versions are pretty commonplace
> > > (and why they're such a safety threat to aviation).  
> > 
> > Yes well aircraft don't fly at the same distance from the 
> > earth as the moon orbits.
> 
> Considering that 99% of that distance has no atmosphere for signal
> attenuation, the distance only matters from the perspective of the
> optical path's divergence angle.

Only for a laser NOT a car headlight.
  

> > > Case in point, here's a 10W green Class4 for only $250:
> > 
> > I bet they can;t get that to reflect off something on the moon,
> > and I bet such a laser if on the moon couldn;t be seen from earth.
> 
> Oh, it will definitely reflect ... that's basic physics.  The 
> question is if you have a good enough sensor technology to detect
> (reliably) the return signal.  Point is that our sensor tech is a
> lot better today than it was back in 1969. 

yes but we were measuring the earth moon distance using laser since 1962.


 
> > > <http://www.everyonetobuy.com/green-10000mw-burning-laser-pointer-pe...
> > > 
> > > ...that's 20x the power level you picked, and its an off-the-shelf 
> > > commercial product.
> > 
> > I didnl;t piuck any power level and it;s not really the power
> > that is all important, at the distance the moon is the small beam
> > would be about 5 metres in diameter, spreading the light out.
> 
> The light still gets there, and that which isn't absorbed will be
> reflected, some of which back in the direction of Earth. 

Very little in fact will reach the earth.

> And because
> atmospheric attenuation also isn't 100.0%, some *will* get through
> to where it could be detected, given a good enough detector.  That's
> all basic & immutable physics. 

Yes so what.
There's still no sensible way of comparing a laser from the earth to the moon and comparing the
resolution of the hubble or james webb, it's just not meaningful to anyone, which is the main point.



 
> > > Case in point:  Nikon D5 goes up to ISO 3,280,000, which has 15x 
> > > the light sensitivity of classical old ISO 100 film. 
> > 
> > So, it still won't be able to see the laser beam.
> 
> Can't make that determination for sure without more literature research,
> but it is a damn safe bet that that modern sensor is more sensitive than 
> what they were originally using back in 1969. 

Originally they weren;t using a reflector they used the moons surface just like astornemers have
done for 1000s of years.
 
> 
> 
> -hh 

	
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> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:41:12 UTC, android  wrote:
>> On 2018-02-28 16:28:50 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 13:04:46 UTC, android  wrote:
>>>> On 2018-02-28 11:05:36 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 08:42:03 UTC, android  wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-02-28 07:38:14 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
>>>>>>>>>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
>>>>>>>>>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Not exactly. ;-)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
>>>>>>>>> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
>>>>>>>>> do?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that
>>>>>>>> the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
>>>>>>> about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
>>>>>>> where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
>>>>>>> hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sure, happy days! Spectrography is very interesting... The real Hubble
>>>>>> killer would be this one though:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Southern_Observatory#Very_Lar... 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> teleportation kills
>>>>> 
>>>>> Until the James Webb Space Telescope comes online in 2019.
>>>> 
>>>> Then it will be a Hubble killer still! "The VLTI can achieve an angular
>>>> resolution of milliarcseconds, equivalent to the ability to see the
>>>> headlights of a car on the moon." :-))
>>> 
>>> But there aren't any car headlights on the moon to see ;-P
>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> teleportation kills
>> 
>> And you know that how? Things change you know...
>> --
>> teleportation kills
> 
> Can you tell me which apollo mission (or any other) that took car 
> headlights to the moon. ?

None. But the lunatics seem to get out of their caves elsewhere...

I'll be moving a few blocks while my flat, and its building gets a well 
needed makeover and will thus be off line for some time...
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On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:38:24 AM UTC-5, Savageduck wrote:
> android<here@there.was> wrote:
> > On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
> > 
> >> android<here@there.was> wrote:
> >>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
> >>> 
> >>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
> >>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
> >>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
> >>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
> >>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
> >>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
> >>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
> >>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
> >>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
> >>>> 
> >>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
> >>> 
> >>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
> >>> 
> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
> >> 
> >> Not exactly. ;-)
> >> 
> >> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
> >> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
> >> do?
> > 
> > Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that 
> > the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
> 
> The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
> about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
> where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
> hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.
> 
> <https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>


There's also a lot of darkness up in nearby Namibia too...



-hh 

	
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> On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 2:38:24 AM UTC-5, Savageduck wrote:
>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>> On 2018-02-28 07:05:05 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>> 
>>>> android<here@there.was> wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-02-28 04:49:03 +0000, Savageduck said:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> m-m<nospam-m@nym.ore> wrote:
>>>>>>> In article<1a1addb6-67da-4f23-a5ca-c20ce6e26302@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>> RichA<rander3128@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Friday, 23 February 2018 13:07:20 UTC-5, Savageduck  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I like the shots, the colour is well-saturated.  In my opinion, my favorite
>>>>>>>> is the boats and hillside shot because the hillside and boats kind of fuse to
>>>>>>>> make one geometric triangle that dominates the shot.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes but the boats all have a blue hue from the sea and sky reflections,
>>>>>>> if I'm referring to the same one as you:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Surely this can be corrected post-processing
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have to agree, the boats do seem to be a bit too blue. As I have said
>>>>>> elsewhere in the thread, I am still on the road in South Africa, and I
>>>>>> pretty much posted quick edits using my iPad. That said, here is another
>>>>>> rendition with a selective temp adjustment to the boats.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/i3pv4venzqa88iz/_DSF0302e1.jpg>
>>>>> 
>>>>> You haven't got that vacation thing down right!
>>>>> 
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwiIYoJx5Es>
>>>> 
>>>> Not exactly. ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> With 10 hours difference between California, and Cape Town, I find myself
>>>> awake at odd times. So what is a guy with a camera, and WiFi connection to
>>>> do?
>>> 
>>> Cruse? Geting that Southern Cross on file? I've got to understand that 
>>> the opportunities for astro are amazing in southern Africa. :-))
>> 
>> The place to go to get the best, clear night Southern sky shots would be
>> about 150 miles ( 242km) North of Cape Town at Sutherland. That is also
>> where SALT, the South African Large Telescope (the largest in the Southern
>> hemisphere), and the South African Astronomical Observatory are located.
>> 
>> <https://goo.gl/images/DrHiwx>
> 
> 
> There's also a lot of darkness up in nearby Namibia too...

Yup! Namibia would be a good option for astrophotography, and other
photo-ops such as wildlife, landscapes, and some interesting old mining
ghost towns in the diamond fields of the Skeleton Coast.

The last time I visited Namibia was in 1983, and there have been
considerable changes since then, but it doesn’t take much to find yourself
in the wilderness.

-- 
Regards,
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> considerable changes since then

I'd say that you are correct in that! :-))
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> I had an opportunity to do some shooting today, so here are a few via my
> iPad. Included are some panos. All adjustments were made with LR CC Mobile.
> All shots have been resized to deal with local bandwidth conditions.
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqmgmu7x7tpzoig/_DSF0281.jpg>
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jurglhfl9blq5ac/_DSF0285.jpg>
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/acq0k1i5kvbxxwv/_DSF0313.jpg>
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayixpe2xvfx1zo7/_DSF0328.jpg>
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqyevtknz5i597v/_DSF0330.jpg>
> 
> The Panos:
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/3kpsagw46i0v56p/_DSF0300.jpg>
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wq87ifze6xpixo/_DSF0332b.jpg>
> 
> 
Overall a nice set of images that will help you remember some of what 
you saw on your trip.
While I would have processed some of them differently, and I am not 
talking about some of the over the top processing I sometimes do, I will 
refrain from comment, unless you specifically want a short statement on 
each..

-- 
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PeterN <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
> On 2/23/2018 1:07 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>> I had an opportunity to do some shooting today, so here are a few via my
>> iPad. Included are some panos. All adjustments were made with LR CC Mobile.
>> All shots have been resized to deal with local bandwidth conditions.
>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqmgmu7x7tpzoig/_DSF0281.jpg>
>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jurglhfl9blq5ac/_DSF0285.jpg>
>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/97rkfdp242k3eb6/_DSF0302.jpg>
>> 
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>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayixpe2xvfx1zo7/_DSF0328.jpg>
>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqyevtknz5i597v/_DSF0330.jpg>
>> 
>> The Panos:
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/3kpsagw46i0v56p/_DSF0300.jpg>
>> 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wq87ifze6xpixo/_DSF0332b.jpg>
>> 
>> 
> Overall a nice set of images that will help you remember some of what 
> you saw on your trip.

That was all those were intended to be, perhaps with the exception of the
B&W shots such as the two above, and this.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/acq0k1i5kvbxxwv/_DSF0313.jpg>

> While I would have processed some of them differently, and I am not
> talking about some of the over the top processing I sometimes do, I will 
> refrain from comment, unless you specifically want a short statement on 
> each..

I am sure that you would have gone about things differently, and as you,
and I have come to anticipate folks’ commentary if we post anything in this
open forum, feel free to post any thoughts which come to mind. While there
is no need to make “a short statement on each” as they are pretty much what
they are, a hint at what you might have done with some would be
interesting. Just remember, I am still on the road, and I am working with
my iPad darkroom.

BTW: working with the iPad Pro, Smart Keyboard and, Apple Pencil has been
so much better than only having the iPhone on this trip. I had considered a
new laptop, but in so many ways the iPad has proven to have been the better
choice for me. Strange to think that my old 17 inch MBP used to be on the
road with me with all that needed. Now I can just slip the iPad into my
camera bag, and it takes up little space without adding much weight. My
camera bag for this trip is a Think Tank “Retrospective 30” which hold both
cameras, five lenses, batteries, iPad, and some other stuff. For the
airlines it works as my personal item along with my carry-on. There is no
way my cameras are going into checked baggage.



-- 
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> PeterN <"peter,newdelete"@deleteverizon.net> wrote:
>> On 2/23/2018 1:07 PM, Savageduck wrote:
>>> I had an opportunity to do some shooting today, so here are a few via my
>>> iPad. Included are some panos. All adjustments were made with LR CC Mobile.
>>> All shots have been resized to deal with local bandwidth conditions.
>>> 
>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqmgmu7x7tpzoig/_DSF0281.jpg>
>>> 
>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/jurglhfl9blq5ac/_DSF0285.jpg>
>>> 
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>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayixpe2xvfx1zo7/_DSF0328.jpg>
>>> 
>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqyevtknz5i597v/_DSF0330.jpg>
>>> 
>>> The Panos:
>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/3kpsagw46i0v56p/_DSF0300.jpg>
>>> 
>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/4wq87ifze6xpixo/_DSF0332b.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>> Overall a nice set of images that will help you remember some of what 
>> you saw on your trip.
> 
> That was all those were intended to be, perhaps with the exception of the
> B&W shots such as the two above, and this.
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/acq0k1i5kvbxxwv/_DSF0313.jpg>

Oops! Wrong shot. Pesky DB iOS UI.
Try this:
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/179xp4dvy7cebwn/_DSF0308.jpg>

> 
>> While I would have processed some of them differently, and I am not
>> talking about some of the over the top processing I sometimes do, I will 
>> refrain from comment, unless you specifically want a short statement on 
>> each..
> 
> I am sure that you would have gone about things differently, and as you,
> and I have come to anticipate folks’ commentary if we post anything in this
> open forum, feel free to post any thoughts which come to mind. While there
> is no need to make “a short statement on each” as they are pretty much what
> they are, a hint at what you might have done with some would be
> interesting. Just remember, I am still on the road, and I am working with
> my iPad darkroom.
> 
> BTW: working with the iPad Pro, Smart Keyboard and, Apple Pencil has been
> so much better than only having the iPhone on this trip. I had considered a
> new laptop, but in so many ways the iPad has proven to have been the better
> choice for me. Strange to think that my old 17 inch MBP used to be on the
> road with me with all that needed. Now I can just slip the iPad into my
> camera bag, and it takes up little space without adding much weight. My
> camera bag for this trip is a Think Tank “Retrospective 30” which hold both
> cameras, five lenses, batteries, iPad, and some other stuff. For the
> airlines it works as my personal item along with my carry-on. There is no
> way my cameras are going into checked baggage.
> 
> 
> 



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On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 9:10:12 PM UTC-5, Savageduck wrote:
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> 
> BTW: working with the iPad Pro, Smart Keyboard and, Apple Pencil has been
> so much better than only having the iPhone on this trip. I had considered a
> new laptop, but in so many ways the iPad has proven to have been the better
> choice for me. Strange to think that my old 17 inch MBP used to be on the
> road with me with all that needed. Now I can just slip the iPad into my
> camera bag, and it takes up little space without adding much weight. My
> camera bag for this trip is a Think Tank “Retrospective 30” which hold both
> cameras, five lenses, batteries, iPad, and some other stuff. For the
> airlines it works as my personal item along with my carry-on. There is no
> way my cameras are going into checked baggage.


Think Tank “Retrospective 30”, eh?

Dang, looks like I might have YA new camera bag in my future!  ;-)


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> On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 9:10:12 PM UTC-5, Savageduck wrote:
>> ...
>> 
>> BTW: working with the iPad Pro, Smart Keyboard and, Apple Pencil has been
>> so much better than only having the iPhone on this trip. I had considered a
>> new laptop, but in so many ways the iPad has proven to have been the better
>> choice for me. Strange to think that my old 17 inch MBP used to be on the
>> road with me with all that needed. Now I can just slip the iPad into my
>> camera bag, and it takes up little space without adding much weight. My
>> camera bag for this trip is a Think Tank “Retrospective 30” which hold both
>> cameras, five lenses, batteries, iPad, and some other stuff. For the
>> airlines it works as my personal item along with my carry-on. There is no
>> way my cameras are going into checked baggage.
> 
> 
> Think Tank “Retrospective 30”, eh?
> 
> Dang, looks like I might have YA new camera bag in my future!  ;-)
> 
Yup!

B&H had a sale on some Think Tank stuff back in October 2017, and I believe
Think Tank gave similar discounts.

The price was too good to resist, especially since I was planning to take
both my X-T2, and X-E3 with a bunch of lenses, and my Domke 803 was not
quite big enough to fit my intended load.

That said the Domke is still my favorite light kit daily carry bag.

I bought the leather trim version, the discount was $120 bringing the price
to the same level as the non-leather which wasn’t on sale. Think Tank seems
to be out of stock at the moment, but B&H still shows a full inventory.

<https://www.thinktankphoto.com/products/retrospective-leather-30>

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> I had an opportunity to do some shooting today, so here are a few via my
> iPad. Included are some panos. All adjustments were made with LR CC Mobile.
> All shots have been resized to deal with local bandwidth conditions.

> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/acq0k1i5kvbxxwv/_DSF0313.jpg>
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/ayixpe2xvfx1zo7/_DSF0328.jpg>

> The Panos:
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/3kpsagw46i0v56p/_DSF0300.jpg>

I liked the above the best. Less typical tourist snaps...
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