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From: Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
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From: Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
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Howdy folks.

Looking at scanning a few negatives.

Are any of these any good?

https://www.amazon.es/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=scan+negatives&tag...

I don't really want to spend more than 150€.

I know it's not the place to ask, but I just happened to be here.

Cheers.

-- 
Paul.

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On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 12:16:50 UTC, Paul Carmichael  wrote:
> Howdy folks.
> 
> Looking at scanning a few negatives.
> 
> Are any of these any good?
> 
>
https://www.amazon.es/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=scan+negatives&tag...
> 
> I don't really want to spend more than 150€.
> 
> I know it's not the place to ask, but I just happened to be here.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -- 
> Paul.
> 
>   https://paulc.es/
>   https://asetrad.org


I've not used them but...
If you just want a few negs done have you thought about looking for someone or a service that'll do
them for you. 

	
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On 28/02/18 14:01, Whisky-dave wrote:
> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 12:16:50 UTC, Paul Carmichael  wrote:

>> Looking at scanning a few negatives.
>>

> 
> I've not used them but...
> If you just want a few negs done have you thought about looking for someone or a service that'll
do them for you.
> 

I live in the middle of nowhere. If I can get something cheap enough, I would probably 
find a bit more use for it later. I've got quite a few negs in disc format. Dunno if I'd 
be able to scan them.

-- 
Paul.

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On 2018-02-28 13:01:10 +0000, Whisky-dave said:

> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 12:16:50 UTC, Paul Carmichael  wrote:
>> Howdy folks.
>> 
>> Looking at scanning a few negatives.
>> 
>> Are any of these any good?
>> 
>>
https://www.amazon.es/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=scan+negatives&tag... 
>> 
>> 
>> I don't really want to spend more than 150€.
>> 
>> I know it's not the place to ask, but I just happened to be here.
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> --
>> Paul.
>> 
>> https://paulc.es/
>> https://asetrad.org
> 
> 
> I've not used them but...
> If you just want a few negs done have you thought about looking for 
> someone or a service that'll do them for you.

One really have to define what the quality one require is. Could this thing do?

<https://www.ebay.com/itm/352284896307>
-- 
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> On 2018-02-28 13:01:10 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> 
>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 12:16:50 UTC, Paul Carmichael  wrote:

>>>
https://www.amazon.es/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=scan+negatives&tag... 
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't really want to spend more than 150€.


> One really have to define what the quality one require is. Could this thing do?

Nice would be nice :-), but I don't care if it takes ma a minute or 2 to scan.

> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/352284896307>

No idea. Slides = negatives?

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Paul.

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> On 28/02/18 14:34, android wrote:
>> On 2018-02-28 13:01:10 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 12:16:50 UTC, Paul Carmichael  wrote:
> 
>>>>
https://www.amazon.es/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=scan+negatives&tag... 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I don't really want to spend more than 150€.
> 
> 
>> One really have to define what the quality one require is. Could this thing do?
> 
> Nice would be nice :-), but I don't care if it takes ma a minute or 2 to scan.
> 
>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/352284896307>
> 
> No idea. Slides = negatives?

If the holder takes strips then you can correct in post, make sure that it can.
-- 
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On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:31:23 UTC, android  wrote:
> On 2018-02-28 16:04:47 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:
> 
> > On 28/02/18 14:34, android wrote:
> >> On 2018-02-28 13:01:10 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> >> 
> >>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 12:16:50 UTC, Paul Carmichael  wrote:
> > 
> >>>>
https://www.amazon.es/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=scan+negatives&tag... 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I don't really want to spend more than 150€.
> > 
> > 
> >> One really have to define what the quality one require is. Could this thing do?
> > 
> > Nice would be nice :-), but I don't care if it takes ma a minute or 2 to scan.
> > 
> >> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/352284896307>
> > 
> > No idea. Slides = negatives?
> 
> If the holder takes strips then you can correct in post, make sure that it can.
> -- 
> teleportation kills

But he did mention disc negatives which wwere pretty crap to start with and on a disc makes them
difficult to put in most neg carriers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHfDq6lAWEo 

	
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> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:31:23 UTC, android  wrote:
>> On 2018-02-28 16:04:47 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:
>> 
>>> On 28/02/18 14:34, android wrote:
>>>> On 2018-02-28 13:01:10 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 12:16:50 UTC, Paul Carmichael  wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>>
https://www.amazon.es/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=scan+negatives&tag... 
>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I don't really want to spend more than 150€.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> One really have to define what the quality one require is. Could this thing do?
>>> 
>>> Nice would be nice :-), but I don't care if it takes ma a minute or 2 to scan.
>>> 
>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/352284896307>
>>> 
>>> No idea. Slides = negatives?
>> 
>> If the holder takes strips then you can correct in post, make sure that it can.
>> -- 
>> teleportation kills
> 
> But he did mention disc negatives which wwere pretty crap to start with 
> and on a disc makes them difficult to put in most neg carriers.

No he didn't... I do agree that the discs probably was created to get 
mankind used to tecno dementia! 

	
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> On 2018-02-28 16:38:06 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> 
> > On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:31:23 UTC, android  wrote:
> >> On 2018-02-28 16:04:47 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:
> >> 
> >>> On 28/02/18 14:34, android wrote:
> >>>> On 2018-02-28 13:01:10 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 12:16:50 UTC, Paul Carmichael  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>>>>
https://www.amazon.es/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=scan+negatives&tag... 
> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I don't really want to spend more than 150€.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> One really have to define what the quality one require is. Could this thing do?
> >>> 
> >>> Nice would be nice :-), but I don't care if it takes ma a minute or 2 to scan.
> >>> 
> >>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/352284896307>
> >>> 
> >>> No idea. Slides = negatives?
> >> 
> >> If the holder takes strips then you can correct in post, make sure that it can.
> >> -- 
> >> teleportation kills
> > 
> > But he did mention disc negatives which wwere pretty crap to start with 
> > and on a disc makes them difficult to put in most neg carriers.
> 
> No he didn't...

Oh yes he did.

on the 28th Feb Paul C said 
"I live in the middle of nowhere. If I can get something cheap enough, I would probably find a bit
more use for it later. I've got quite a few negs in disc format. Dunno if I'd be able to scan them. "


> I do agree that the discs probably was created to get 
> mankind used to tecno dementia!

and it certainly worked on you ;-P 

	
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> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:47:19 UTC, android  wrote:
>> On 2018-02-28 16:38:06 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:31:23 UTC, android  wrote:
>>>> On 2018-02-28 16:04:47 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 28/02/18 14:34, android wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-02-28 13:01:10 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 12:16:50 UTC, Paul Carmichael  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
https://www.amazon.es/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=scan+negatives&tag... 
>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I don't really want to spend more than 150€.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> One really have to define what the quality one require is. Could this thing do?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nice would be nice :-), but I don't care if it takes ma a minute or 2 to scan.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/352284896307>
>>>>> 
>>>>> No idea. Slides = negatives?
>>>> 
>>>> If the holder takes strips then you can correct in post, make sure that it can.
>>>> --
>>>> teleportation kills
>>> 
>>> But he did mention disc negatives which wwere pretty crap to start 
>>> with> > and on a disc makes them difficult to put in most neg carriers.
>> 
>> No he didn't...
> 
> Oh yes he did.
> 
> on the 28th Feb Paul C said"I live in the middle of nowhere. If I can 
> get something cheap enough, I would probably find a bit more use for it 
> later. I've got quite a few negs in disc format. Dunno if I'd be able 
> to scan them. "

That was not in the OPs OP as you claimed. :-ppp
> 
> 
>> I do agree that the discs probably was created to get> mankind used to 
>> tecno dementia!
> 
> and it certainly worked on you ;-P

Not really. The boxes of ol' family memorabilia is filling a good part 
of me basement.

I'll be moving a few blocks while my flat, and its building gets a well 
needed makeover and will thus be off line for some time...
-- 
teleportation kills 

	
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On Thursday, 1 March 2018 12:12:33 UTC, android  wrote:
> On 2018-03-01 10:36:37 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> 
> > On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:47:19 UTC, android  wrote:
> >> On 2018-02-28 16:38:06 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> >> 
> >>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 16:31:23 UTC, android  wrote:
> >>>> On 2018-02-28 16:04:47 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On 28/02/18 14:34, android wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2018-02-28 13:01:10 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, 28 February 2018 12:16:50 UTC, Paul Carmichael  wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>
https://www.amazon.es/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=scan+negatives&tag... 
> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I don't really want to spend more than 150€.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> One really have to define what the quality one require is. Could this thing do?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Nice would be nice :-), but I don't care if it takes ma a minute or 2 to scan.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/352284896307>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> No idea. Slides = negatives?
> >>>> 
> >>>> If the holder takes strips then you can correct in post, make sure that it can.
> >>>> --
> >>>> teleportation kills
> >>> 
> >>> But he did mention disc negatives which wwere pretty crap to start 
> >>> with> > and on a disc makes them difficult to put in most neg carriers.
> >> 
> >> No he didn't...
> > 
> > Oh yes he did.
> > 
> > on the 28th Feb Paul C said"I live in the middle of nowhere. If I can 
> > get something cheap enough, I would probably find a bit more use for it 
> > later. I've got quite a few negs in disc format. Dunno if I'd be able 
> > to scan them. "
> 
> That was not in the OPs OP as you claimed. :-ppp

He said he wanted to scan a few negs and updated it to negs on discs.


> >> I do agree that the discs probably was created to get> mankind used to 
> >> tecno dementia!
> > 
> > and it certainly worked on you ;-P
> 
> Not really. The boxes of ol' family memorabilia is filling a good part 
> of me basement.

and that proves what exactly. ?

> 
> I'll be moving a few blocks while my flat, and its building gets a well 
> needed makeover and will thus be off line for some time...

I guess there's no way to get wireless near where you are then.


> -- 
> teleportation kills 

	
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>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No he didn't...
>>> 
>>> Oh yes he did.
>>> 
>>> on the 28th Feb Paul C said"I live in the middle of nowhere. If I can> 
>>> > get something cheap enough, I would probably find a bit more use for 
>>> it> > later. I've got quite a few negs in disc format. Dunno if I'd be 
>>> able> > to scan them. "
>> 
>> That was not in the OPs OP as you claimed. :-ppp
> 
> He said he wanted to scan a few negs and updated it to negs on discs.

Then he didn't say so from the beginning then!
> 
> 
>>>> I do agree that the discs probably was created to get> mankind used to> 
>>>> >> tecno dementia!
>>> 
>>> and it certainly worked on you ;-P
>> 
>> Not really. The boxes of ol' family memorabilia is filling a good part> 
>> of me basement.
> 
> and that proves what exactly. ?

That I don't have anything to prove to drunks like you!
> 
>> 
>> I'll be moving a few blocks while my flat, and its building gets a 
>> well> needed makeover and will thus be off line for some time...
> 
> I guess there's no way to get wireless near where you are then.

Electronic smog, as in login free wireless routers is to be found 
elsewhere. The crowd around here is more safety minded, mostly. Not 
that I can't use me Xperia smartphone as a hotspot, if I wanna...
-- 
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On Friday, 9 March 2018 10:30:34 UTC, android  wrote:
> On 2018-03-01 16:25:16 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> No he didn't...
> >>> 
> >>> Oh yes he did.
> >>> 
> >>> on the 28th Feb Paul C said"I live in the middle of nowhere. If I can> 
> >>> > get something cheap enough, I would probably find a bit more use for 
> >>> it> > later. I've got quite a few negs in disc format. Dunno if I'd be 
> >>> able> > to scan them. "
> >> 
> >> That was not in the OPs OP as you claimed. :-ppp
> > 
> > He said he wanted to scan a few negs and updated it to negs on discs.
> 
> Then he didn't say so from the beginning then!

No which is why I altered what I was thinking of as a method of scanning.



> >>>> I do agree that the discs probably was created to get> mankind used to> 
> >>>> >> tecno dementia!
> >>> 
> >>> and it certainly worked on you ;-P
> >> 
> >> Not really. The boxes of ol' family memorabilia is filling a good part> 
> >> of me basement.
> > 
> > and that proves what exactly. ?
> 
> That I don't have anything to prove to drunks like you!

You could prove you're more sober than me but you'd fail at that too no doubt.


> >> I'll be moving a few blocks while my flat, and its building gets a 
> >> well> needed makeover and will thus be off line for some time...
> > 
> > I guess there's no way to get wireless near where you are then.
> 
> Electronic smog, as in login free wireless routers is to be found 
> elsewhere. The crowd around here is more safety minded, mostly. Not 
> that I can't use me Xperia smartphone as a hotspot, if I wanna...

I thought there might have been some way around it.

we had a network failure here about an hour ago 'internet' gone, I looked everywhere for it, even
the emergency phones had all stopped working which is pretty clever isn't it, I guess some genius
here decided that emergency phones dying was a good idea. 

	
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> On Friday, 9 March 2018 10:30:34 UTC, android  wrote:
>> On 2018-03-01 16:25:16 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No he didn't...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh yes he did.
>>>>> 
>>>>> on the 28th Feb Paul C said"I live in the middle of nowhere. If I can>
>>>>>> get something cheap enough, I would probably find a bit more use for
>>>>> it> > later. I've got quite a few negs in disc format. Dunno if I'd be
>>>>> able> > to scan them. "
>>>> 
>>>> That was not in the OPs OP as you claimed. :-ppp
>>> 
>>> He said he wanted to scan a few negs and updated it to negs on discs.
>> 
>> Then he didn't say so from the beginning then!
> 
> No which is why I altered what I was thinking of as a method of scanning.

Scanning Kodacolor Discs may seem a tad stupid but yet a challenge! I 
had a looksie at shoot of one of the and on top of my head I'd say that 
removing the plastic holder and put it on a highress flatbed could be a 
solution. Film is fading. Don't waste time... Remove that plastic and 
throw them all at thou scanner now!
> 
>>>>>> I do agree that the discs probably was created to get> mankind used to>
>>>>>>>> tecno dementia!
>>>>> 
>>>>> and it certainly worked on you ;-P
>>>> 
>>>> Not really. The boxes of ol' family memorabilia is filling a good part>
>>>> of me basement.
>>> 
>>> and that proves what exactly. ?
>> 
>> That I don't have anything to prove to drunks like you!
> 
> You could prove you're more sober than me but you'd fail at that too no doubt.

http://www.shouldidrive.com
> 
> 
>>>> I'll be moving a few blocks while my flat, and its building gets a
>>>> well> needed makeover and will thus be off line for some time...
>>> 
>>> I guess there's no way to get wireless near where you are then.
>> 
>> Electronic smog, as in login free wireless routers is to be found
>> elsewhere. The crowd around here is more safety minded, mostly. Not
>> that I can't use me Xperia smartphone as a hotspot, if I wanna...
> 
> I thought there might have been some way around it.
> 
> we had a network failure here about an hour ago 'internet' gone, I 
> looked everywhere for it, even the emergency phones had all stopped 
> working which is pretty clever isn't it, I guess some genius here 
> decided that emergency phones dying was a good idea.
> 
That's one reason why copper still has it place...
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On Friday, 9 March 2018 14:18:36 UTC, android  wrote:
> On 2018-03-09 12:59:43 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> 
> > On Friday, 9 March 2018 10:30:34 UTC, android  wrote:
> >> On 2018-03-01 16:25:16 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> >> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> No he didn't...
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Oh yes he did.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> on the 28th Feb Paul C said"I live in the middle of nowhere. If I can>
> >>>>>> get something cheap enough, I would probably find a bit more use for
> >>>>> it> > later. I've got quite a few negs in disc format. Dunno if I'd be
> >>>>> able> > to scan them. "
> >>>> 
> >>>> That was not in the OPs OP as you claimed. :-ppp
> >>> 
> >>> He said he wanted to scan a few negs and updated it to negs on discs.
> >> 
> >> Then he didn't say so from the beginning then!
> > 
> > No which is why I altered what I was thinking of as a method of scanning.
> 
> Scanning Kodacolor Discs may seem a tad stupid but yet a challenge! I 
> had a looksie at shoot of one of the and on top of my head I'd say that 
> removing the plastic holder and put it on a highress flatbed could be a 
> solution. Film is fading. Don't waste time... Remove that plastic and 
> throw them all at thou scanner now!

yes and that is why I didn't think the standalone scanners which are really meant to scan 35mm film
and above usually in a strip or mounted wouldn't be much use so yes a flatbed hi-res scanner would
be best but not many people would consider buying them to scan a few negs. In this situation might
be better to go to someone that has done it before maybe a commercail enterprise and pay someone to
do it rathe rthan spend 3-400 on a flatbed scanner that might not get used again.


> > 
> >>>>>> I do agree that the discs probably was created to get> mankind used to>
> >>>>>>>> tecno dementia!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> and it certainly worked on you ;-P
> >>>> 
> >>>> Not really. The boxes of ol' family memorabilia is filling a good part>
> >>>> of me basement.
> >>> 
> >>> and that proves what exactly. ?
> >> 
> >> That I don't have anything to prove to drunks like you!
> > 
> > You could prove you're more sober than me but you'd fail at that too no doubt.
> 
> http://www.shouldidrive.com

what does that prove. 

	
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> On Friday, 9 March 2018 14:18:36 UTC, android  wrote:
>> On 2018-03-09 12:59:43 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
>> 
>>> On Friday, 9 March 2018 10:30:34 UTC, android  wrote:
>>>> On 2018-03-01 16:25:16 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No he didn't...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Oh yes he did.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> on the 28th Feb Paul C said"I live in the middle of nowhere. If I can>
>>>>>>>> get something cheap enough, I would probably find a bit more use for
>>>>>>> it> > later. I've got quite a few negs in disc format. Dunno if I'd be
>>>>>>> able> > to scan them. "
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That was not in the OPs OP as you claimed. :-ppp
>>>>> 
>>>>> He said he wanted to scan a few negs and updated it to negs on discs.
>>>> 
>>>> Then he didn't say so from the beginning then!
>>> 
>>> No which is why I altered what I was thinking of as a method of scanning.
>> 
>> Scanning Kodacolor Discs may seem a tad stupid but yet a challenge! I> 
>> had a looksie at shoot of one of the and on top of my head I'd say 
>> that> removing the plastic holder and put it on a highress flatbed 
>> could be a> solution. Film is fading. Don't waste time... Remove that 
>> plastic and> throw them all at thou scanner now!
> 
> yes and that is why I didn't think the standalone scanners which are 
> really meant to scan 35mm film and above usually in a strip or mounted 
> wouldn't be much use so yes a flatbed hi-res scanner would be best but 
> not many people would consider buying them to scan a few negs. In this 
> situation might be better to go to someone that has done it before 
> maybe a commercail enterprise and pay someone to do it rathe rthan 
> spend 3-400 on a flatbed scanner that might not get used again.

Some folks know folks that might have an Epson perfection 5-800 around 
and the OP did not seem to have that much to scan.
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On Saturday, 10 March 2018 17:38:48 UTC, android  wrote:
> On 2018-03-09 16:45:37 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> 
> > On Friday, 9 March 2018 14:18:36 UTC, android  wrote:
> >> On 2018-03-09 12:59:43 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> >> 
> >>> On Friday, 9 March 2018 10:30:34 UTC, android  wrote:
> >>>> On 2018-03-01 16:25:16 +0000, Whisky-dave said:
> >>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> No he didn't...
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Oh yes he did.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> on the 28th Feb Paul C said"I live in the middle of nowhere. If I can>
> >>>>>>>> get something cheap enough, I would probably find a bit more use for
> >>>>>>> it> > later. I've got quite a few negs in disc format. Dunno if I'd be
> >>>>>>> able> > to scan them. "
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> That was not in the OPs OP as you claimed. :-ppp
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> He said he wanted to scan a few negs and updated it to negs on discs.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Then he didn't say so from the beginning then!
> >>> 
> >>> No which is why I altered what I was thinking of as a method of scanning.
> >> 
> >> Scanning Kodacolor Discs may seem a tad stupid but yet a challenge! I> 
> >> had a looksie at shoot of one of the and on top of my head I'd say 
> >> that> removing the plastic holder and put it on a highress flatbed 
> >> could be a> solution. Film is fading. Don't waste time... Remove that 
> >> plastic and> throw them all at thou scanner now!
> > 
> > yes and that is why I didn't think the standalone scanners which are 
> > really meant to scan 35mm film and above usually in a strip or mounted 
> > wouldn't be much use so yes a flatbed hi-res scanner would be best but 
> > not many people would consider buying them to scan a few negs. In this 
> > situation might be better to go to someone that has done it before 
> > maybe a commercail enterprise and pay someone to do it rathe rthan 
> > spend 3-400 on a flatbed scanner that might not get used again.
> 
> Some folks know folks that might have an Epson perfection 5-800 around 
> and the OP did not seem to have that much to scan.

That's what I was impling in that if you only have a few then it's usually best to get someone else
to do it for you rather than buy the equipment and spend the time doing it oneself.

> -- 
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> On Saturday, 10 March 2018 17:38:48 UTC, android  wrote:

>> Some folks know folks that might have an Epson perfection 5-800 around
>> and the OP did not seem to have that much to scan.
> 
> That's what I was impling in that if you only have a few then it's usually best to get someone
else to do it for you rather than buy the equipment and spend the time doing it oneself.

What sort of res does said scanner need to produce? I have a 1200 flatbed. Thing is, even 
if it were up to the job, I wouldn't have a clue where to start.

Truth is, life got in the way of this experiment recently.

When it stops raining, I might go out and take some photos! I expect the flamingoes have 
prolly arrived by now.

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> On 12/03/18 11:36, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> On Saturday, 10 March 2018 17:38:48 UTC, android  wrote:
> 
>>> Some folks know folks that might have an Epson perfection 5-800 around
>>> and the OP did not seem to have that much to scan.
>> 
>> That's what I was impling in that if you only have a few then it's 
>> usually best to get someone else to do it for you rather than buy the 
>> equipment and spend the time doing it oneself.
> 
> What sort of res does said scanner need to produce? I have a 1200 
> flatbed. Thing is, even if it were up to the job, I wouldn't have a 
> clue where to start.
> 
> Truth is, life got in the way of this experiment recently.
> 
> When it stops raining, I might go out and take some photos! I expect 
> the flamingoes have prolly arrived by now.

You could try but it would have to be a photo scanner with propper 
backlight, like most Perfections have, IIRC. Try Vuescan, free 
watermarked impertual trial and see what you can get out of that 
scanner you have. Since those discs provides such silly small negs I 
would go with as high resolution possibly, and use multple passes...

Vuescan:

<https://www.hamrick.com/support/frequently-asked-questions/does-my-s... 


Used Perfections. Make sure that you get one with propper drivers or 
that are Vuescan supported:

<https://www.ebay.es/sch/i.html?Marca=Epson&_sop=15&_dcat=112... 

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> On 12/03/18 11:36, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> On Saturday, 10 March 2018 17:38:48 UTC, android  wrote:
> 
>>> Some folks know folks that might have an Epson perfection 5-800 around
>>> and the OP did not seem to have that much to scan.
>>
>> That's what I was impling in that if you only have a few then it's
>> usually best to get someone else to do it for you rather than buy the
>> equipment and spend the time doing it oneself.
> 
> What sort of res does said scanner need to produce? I have a 1200
> flatbed. Thing is, even if it were up to the job, I wouldn't have a clue
> where to start.

I have a Reflecta x7-Scan

From <http://www.photographyblog.com/news/reflecta_x7/>

The Reflecta x7-Scan is a standalone device that enables users to
quickly digitise their 35mm slides as well as 110 and 125 format films.
Rather than scanning the film frames, the Reflecta x7 uses a
14-megapixel area-array sensor for the digitisation, which promises to
deliver similar results to a conventional 3200ppi film scanner. This
solution allows the Reflecta x7 to produce a digital image in just 2
seconds. The new addition to the Reflecta range features a 2.4" LCD
screen, comes with an integrated SD-SDHC card slot, and boasts a battery
operating time of 2.5 hours. The device comes supplied with film holders
for three mounted slides, film strips up to six exposures, 110mm film
strips up to eight exposures and 126mm (instamatic) film for up to seven
exposures.


---

As it says, it is not high quality, but it is very good for scanning old
negatives for the collection fast, and then decide which one to have
scanned by a professional.

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> > What sort of res does said scanner need to produce? I have a 1200
> > flatbed. Thing is, even if it were up to the job, I wouldn't have a clue
> > where to start.
> 
> I have a Reflecta x7-Scan
> 
> From <http://www.photographyblog.com/news/reflecta_x7/>

junk.

> The Reflecta x7-Scan is a standalone device that enables users to
> quickly digitise their 35mm slides as well as 110 and 125 format films.
> Rather than scanning the film frames, the Reflecta x7 uses a
> 14-megapixel area-array sensor for the digitisation, which promises to
> deliver similar results to a conventional 3200ppi film scanner. This
> solution allows the Reflecta x7 to produce a digital image in just 2
> seconds. The new addition to the Reflecta range features a 2.4" LCD
> screen, comes with an integrated SD-SDHC card slot, and boasts a battery
> operating time of 2.5 hours. The device comes supplied with film holders
> for three mounted slides, film strips up to six exposures, 110mm film
> strips up to eight exposures and 126mm (instamatic) film for up to seven
> exposures.

note that it only 'promises to deliver similar results' to a scanner.
too bad they can't be sued for a broken promise.

much better results can be had using a modern digital camera and a copy
attachment, such as this:
<https://www.dpreview.com/news/6588202384/the-nikon-d850-can-scan-fil...
sing-the-new-es-2-digitizing-adapter>

since it attaches to the lens, it will work with more than just nikon.

> ---
> 
> As it says, it is not high quality, but it is very good for scanning old
> negatives for the collection fast, and then decide which one to have
> scanned by a professional.

if that's all you want to do, then it's *much* easier and cheaper to
use a smartphone. there are even apps that will do the reversal. 

or better yet, look at the actual prints that were originally made from
the negatives. 

	
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> In article<jncine-vkm.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
><robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>> What sort of res does said scanner need to produce? I have a 1200
>>> flatbed. Thing is, even if it were up to the job, I wouldn't have a clue
>>> where to start.
>> 
>> I have a Reflecta x7-Scan
>> 
>> From <http://www.photographyblog.com/news/reflecta_x7/>
> 
> junk.

Sure! This one has more features...

<https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-1MP-Digital-Hogar-Film-DESLIZABLE-NEGATIV... 

> 
>> The Reflecta x7-Scan is a standalone device that enables users to
>> quickly digitise their 35mm slides as well as 110 and 125 format films.
>> Rather than scanning the film frames, the Reflecta x7 uses a
>> 14-megapixel area-array sensor for the digitisation, which promises to
>> deliver similar results to a conventional 3200ppi film scanner. This
>> solution allows the Reflecta x7 to produce a digital image in just 2
>> seconds. The new addition to the Reflecta range features a 2.4" LCD
>> screen, comes with an integrated SD-SDHC card slot, and boasts a battery
>> operating time of 2.5 hours. The device comes supplied with film holders
>> for three mounted slides, film strips up to six exposures, 110mm film
>> strips up to eight exposures and 126mm (instamatic) film for up to seven
>> exposures.
> 
> note that it only 'promises to deliver similar results' to a scanner.
> too bad they can't be sued for a broken promise.
> 
> much better results can be had using a modern digital camera and a copy
> attachment, such as this:
> <https://www.dpreview.com/news/6588202384/the-nikon-d850-can-scan-fil...
> sing-the-new-es-2-digitizing-adapter>
> 
> since it attaches to the lens, it will work with more than just nikon.

Kinda expensive since you need a macro lense to begin with...
> 
>> ---
>> 
>> As it says, it is not high quality, but it is very good for scanning old
>> negatives for the collection fast, and then decide which one to have
>> scanned by a professional.
> 
> if that's all you want to do, then it's *much* easier and cheaper to
> use a smartphone. there are even apps that will do the reversal.
> 
> or better yet, look at the actual prints that were originally made from
> the negatives.


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> > 
> > much better results can be had using a modern digital camera and a copy
> > attachment, such as this:
> > <https://www.dpreview.com/news/6588202384/the-nikon-d850-can-scan-fil...
> > sing-the-new-es-2-digitizing-adapter>
> > 
> > since it attaches to the lens, it will work with more than just nikon.
> 
> Kinda expensive since you need a macro lense to begin with...

not necessarily, however, quality does cost money. 

	
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> In article<fgnlgeFnbm9U1@mid.individual.net>, android<here@there.was>
> wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> much better results can be had using a modern digital camera and a copy
>>> attachment, such as this:
>>> <https://www.dpreview.com/news/6588202384/the-nikon-d850-can-scan-fil...
>>> sing-the-new-es-2-digitizing-adapter>
>>> 
>>> since it attaches to the lens, it will work with more than just nikon.
>> 
>> Kinda expensive since you need a macro lense to begin with...
> 
> not necessarily, however, quality does cost money.

Hey! It's a simple, probably plastic neg holder with some opaque 
difuser for light. Not even some LED lightsource!

Consider a slide duplicator and propper mount adapter if nessesary. The 
OP has an EOS IIRC:

<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=slide+duplicator&_sop=15&a... 

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> >>> much better results can be had using a modern digital camera and a copy
> >>> attachment, such as this:
> >>> <https://www.dpreview.com/news/6588202384/the-nikon-d850-can-scan-fil...
> >>> sing-the-new-es-2-digitizing-adapter>
> >>> 
> >>> since it attaches to the lens, it will work with more than just nikon.
> >> 
> >> Kinda expensive since you need a macro lense to begin with...
> > 
> > not necessarily, however, quality does cost money.
> 
> Hey! It's a simple, probably plastic neg holder with some opaque 
> difuser for light. Not even some LED lightsource!

crawl out from your cave and you might see that there's this big giant
light source in the sky. 

> Consider a slide duplicator and propper mount adapter if nessesary.

that's what i said.

> The 
> OP has an EOS IIRC:

it doesn't matter what he has. slide duplicators attach to the lens.
either the filter threads or clips on. 

	
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> In article<fgnn05Fnmr4U1@mid.individual.net>, android<here@there.was>
> wrote:
> 
>>>>> much better results can be had using a modern digital camera and a copy
>>>>> attachment, such as this:
>>>>> <https://www.dpreview.com/news/6588202384/the-nikon-d850-can-scan-fil...
>>>>> sing-the-new-es-2-digitizing-adapter>
>>>>> 
>>>>> since it attaches to the lens, it will work with more than just nikon.
>>>> 
>>>> Kinda expensive since you need a macro lense to begin with...
>>> 
>>> not necessarily, however, quality does cost money.
>> 
>> Hey! It's a simple, probably plastic neg holder with some opaque
>> difuser for light. Not even some LED lightsource!
> 
> crawl out from your cave and you might see that there's this big giant
> light source in the sky.

The sun is not a good light source for duping...
> 
>> Consider a slide duplicator and propper mount adapter if nessesary.
> 
> that's what i said.

No you recommended a expensive Nikkor addon...
> 
>> The
>> OP has an EOS IIRC:
> 
> it doesn't matter what he has. slide duplicators attach to the lens.
> either the filter threads or clips on.

Nah. You can one a fixed specialised lens integrated... Like the ones 
in the link below have. Way cheaper if you are on a budget like the OP 
seem to be. The goto solution for quality scanning is a dedicated 
filmscanner, with a few exceptions like Kodacolor Discs then a photo 
flatbed is the most reasonable solution economically, if you want do do 
it yourself.

<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=slide+duplicator&_sop=15&a... 

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> >>>>> much better results can be had using a modern digital camera and a copy
> >>>>> attachment, such as this:
> >>>>> <https://www.dpreview.com/news/6588202384/the-nikon-d850-can-scan-fil...
> >>>>> sing-the-new-es-2-digitizing-adapter>
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> since it attaches to the lens, it will work with more than just nikon.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Kinda expensive since you need a macro lense to begin with...
> >>> 
> >>> not necessarily, however, quality does cost money.
> >> 
> >> Hey! It's a simple, probably plastic neg holder with some opaque
> >> difuser for light. Not even some LED lightsource!
> > 
> > crawl out from your cave and you might see that there's this big giant
> > light source in the sky.
> 
> The sun is not a good light source for duping...

actually, it's a very good source. alternately, use a flash. 

> >> Consider a slide duplicator and propper mount adapter if nessesary.
> > 
> > that's what i said.
> 
> No you recommended a expensive Nikkor addon...

$140 at b&h. hardly expensive. a steal at twice the price.

> >> The
> >> OP has an EOS IIRC:
> > 
> > it doesn't matter what he has. slide duplicators attach to the lens.
> > either the filter threads or clips on.
> 
> Nah. You can one a fixed specialised lens integrated... Like the ones 
> in the link below have. Way cheaper if you are on a budget like the OP 
> seem to be. The goto solution for quality scanning is a dedicated 
> filmscanner, 

a film scanner is certainly ideal, except that it's quite a bit more
expensive than a duplicator.

> with a few exceptions like Kodacolor Discs then a photo 
> flatbed is the most reasonable solution economically, if you want do do 
> it yourself.

flatbeds may be adequate for some people, but they're not as good as a
dedicated film scanner.

as for discs, they're going to be a problem no matter what. 

	
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> In article<fgnq03Focr7U1@mid.individual.net>, android<here@there.was>
> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>> much better results can be had using a modern digital camera and a copy
>>>>>>> attachment, such as this:
>>>>>>> <https://www.dpreview.com/news/6588202384/the-nikon-d850-can-scan-fil...
>>>>>>> sing-the-new-es-2-digitizing-adapter>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> since it attaches to the lens, it will work with more than just nikon.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kinda expensive since you need a macro lense to begin with...
>>>>> 
>>>>> not necessarily, however, quality does cost money.
>>>> 
>>>> Hey! It's a simple, probably plastic neg holder with some opaque
>>>> difuser for light. Not even some LED lightsource!
>>> 
>>> crawl out from your cave and you might see that there's this big giant
>>> light source in the sky.
>> 
>> The sun is not a good light source for duping...
> 
> actually, it's a very good source. alternately, use a flash.
> 
>>>> Consider a slide duplicator and propper mount adapter if nessesary.
>>> 
>>> that's what i said.
>> 
>> No you recommended a expensive Nikkor addon...
> 
> $140 at b&h. hardly expensive. a steal at twice the price.
> 
>>>> The
>>>> OP has an EOS IIRC:
>>> 
>>> it doesn't matter what he has. slide duplicators attach to the lens.
>>> either the filter threads or clips on.
>> 
>> Nah. You can one a fixed specialised lens integrated... Like the ones
>> in the link below have. Way cheaper if you are on a budget like the OP
>> seem to be. The goto solution for quality scanning is a dedicated
>> filmscanner,
> 
> a film scanner is certainly ideal, except that it's quite a bit more
> expensive than a duplicator.

Not with a Nikkor macro lense in the kit...
> 
>> with a few exceptions like Kodacolor Discs then a photo
>> flatbed is the most reasonable solution economically, if you want do do
>> it yourself.
> 
> flatbeds may be adequate for some people

We were talking film discs...

> , but they're not as good as a
> dedicated film scanner.

You're kidding! Nothing beats wet drum scans anyways...

> 
> as for discs, they're going to be a problem no matter what.

Well that was supposedly that that the OP wanted to scan...
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> >>>> Consider a slide duplicator and propper mount adapter if nessesary.
> >>> 
> >>> that's what i said.
> >> 
> >> No you recommended a expensive Nikkor addon...
> > 
> > $140 at b&h. hardly expensive. a steal at twice the price.
> > 
> >>>> The
> >>>> OP has an EOS IIRC:
> >>> 
> >>> it doesn't matter what he has. slide duplicators attach to the lens.
> >>> either the filter threads or clips on.
> >> 
> >> Nah. You can one a fixed specialised lens integrated... Like the ones
> >> in the link below have. Way cheaper if you are on a budget like the OP
> >> seem to be. The goto solution for quality scanning is a dedicated
> >> filmscanner,
> > 
> > a film scanner is certainly ideal, except that it's quite a bit more
> > expensive than a duplicator.
> 
> Not with a Nikkor macro lense in the kit...

no need.

also, the previous model nikon duplicator is $60 at b&h with free
expedited shipping. an even better deal. 

<https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/37453-REG/Nikon_3213_ES_1_Sli...
Copying_Adapter.html> 

	
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> In article<fgnsukFp2sfU1@mid.individual.net>, android<here@there.was>
> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> Consider a slide duplicator and propper mount adapter if nessesary.
>>>>> 
>>>>> that's what i said.
>>>> 
>>>> No you recommended a expensive Nikkor addon...
>>> 
>>> $140 at b&h. hardly expensive. a steal at twice the price.
>>> 
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> OP has an EOS IIRC:
>>>>> 
>>>>> it doesn't matter what he has. slide duplicators attach to the lens.
>>>>> either the filter threads or clips on.
>>>> 
>>>> Nah. You can one a fixed specialised lens integrated... Like the ones
>>>> in the link below have. Way cheaper if you are on a budget like the OP
>>>> seem to be. The goto solution for quality scanning is a dedicated
>>>> filmscanner,
>>> 
>>> a film scanner is certainly ideal, except that it's quite a bit more
>>> expensive than a duplicator.
>> 
>> Not with a Nikkor macro lense in the kit...
> 
> no need.

That duplicator is a macro lense accessory. Won't work well without a 
good one of those...
-- 
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>>>> Hey! It's a simple, probably plastic neg holder with some opaque
>>>> difuser for light. Not even some LED lightsource!
>>> 
>>> crawl out from your cave and you might see that there's this big giant
>>> light source in the sky.
>> 
>> The sun is not a good light source for duping...
> 
> actually, it's a very good source. alternately, use a flash.

No, the color will be off...
-- 
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> 
> >>>> Hey! It's a simple, probably plastic neg holder with some opaque
> >>>> difuser for light. Not even some LED lightsource!
> >>> 
> >>> crawl out from your cave and you might see that there's this big giant
> >>> light source in the sky.
> >> 
> >> The sun is not a good light source for duping...
> > 
> > actually, it's a very good source. alternately, use a flash.
> 
> No, the color will be off...

no it won't. 

	
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> In article<fgnt3nFp3rtU1@mid.individual.net>, android<here@there.was>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>>>>> Hey! It's a simple, probably plastic neg holder with some opaque
>>>>>> difuser for light. Not even some LED lightsource!
>>>>> 
>>>>> crawl out from your cave and you might see that there's this big giant
>>>>> light source in the sky.
>>>> 
>>>> The sun is not a good light source for duping...
>>> 
>>> actually, it's a very good source. alternately, use a flash.
>> 
>> No, the color will be off...
> 
> no it won't.

Sure it will. Sunlight is always off...
-- 
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> On 2018-03-12 18:02:08 +0000, nospam said:
> 
>> In article<fgnt3nFp3rtU1@mid.individual.net>, android<here@there.was>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Hey! It's a simple, probably plastic neg holder with some opaque
>>>>>>> difuser for light. Not even some LED lightsource!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> crawl out from your cave and you might see that there's this big
>>>>>> giant
>>>>>> light source in the sky.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sun is not a good light source for duping...
>>>>
>>>> actually, it's a very good source. alternately, use a flash.
>>>
>>> No, the color will be off...
>>
>> no it won't.
> 
> Sure it will. Sunlight is always off...

Sunlight changes.

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> Sunlight changes.

copy during the day. 

	
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> In article<2rajne-jqs.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
><robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Sunlight changes.
> 
> copy during the day.

At what time? We are about to enter DST and ...
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> >> Sunlight changes.
> > 
> > copy during the day.
> 
> At what time?

1:45 pm. don't be late. we're not going to wait for you.

> We are about to enter DST and ...

already happened. 

	
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> In article<fgp61jF34m9U2@mid.individual.net>, android<here@there.was>
> wrote:
> 
>>>> Sunlight changes.
>>> 
>>> copy during the day.
>> 
>> At what time?
> 
> 1:45 pm. don't be late. we're not going to wait for you.
> 
>> We are about to enter DST and ...
> 
> already happened.

Last weekend in March as always. Until we get rid of it...
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>>
>> Sunlight changes.
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> copy during the day.

What time of the day at what latitude? Cloudy or sunny? City or wheat farm?

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> > copy during the day.
> 
> What time of the day at what latitude? Cloudy or sunny? City or wheat farm?

doesn't matter.

people have been taking photos during the day without issue for a long,
long time. 

	
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> In article<6e6kne-r6l.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
><robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>>> Sunlight changes.
>>> 
>>> copy during the day.
>> 
>> What time of the day at what latitude? Cloudy or sunny? City or wheat farm?
> 
> doesn't matter.
> 
> people have been taking photos during the day without issue for a long,
> long time.

Monochrome most of it...  Anyways, uncontrolled daylight have a limited 
and uneven colorspace.
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> Monochrome most of it...  Anyways, uncontrolled daylight have a limited 
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nope. 

	
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> wrote:
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>> 
>> Monochrome most of it...  Anyways, uncontrolled daylight have a limited
>> and uneven colorspace.
> 
> nope.

I stand corrected: Has a limited and uneven colorspace...
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>In article<2rajne-jqs.ln1@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
><robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> 
>> Sunlight changes.
>
>copy during the day.

.... during the day when color temperatures depend upon all kinds of
factors. But I'm sure you will deny that even if you know it to be
true.

See http://www.geofflawrence.com/color_temperature.html 

I expect you will say the site is wrong but that will just be your
usual quibbling over details.
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Eric Stevens 

	
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In article<it3fadpiuejm2vmkh47r69jnle6pfrj8c5@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens<eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:

> >> 
> >> Sunlight changes.
> >
> >copy during the day.
> 
> ... during the day when color temperatures depend upon all kinds of
> factors. 

that does not matter *at* *all*.

> But I'm sure you will deny that even if you know it to be
> true.
>
> See http://www.geofflawrence.com/color_temperature.html 
> 
> I expect you will say the site is wrong but that will just be your
> usual quibbling over details.

it's not wrong. the problem is you don't understand about white balance
or copying slides/negatives. 

	
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>In article<it3fadpiuejm2vmkh47r69jnle6pfrj8c5@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> >> 
>> >> Sunlight changes.
>> >
>> >copy during the day.
>> 
>> ... during the day when color temperatures depend upon all kinds of
>> factors. 
>
>that does not matter *at* *all*.
>
>> But I'm sure you will deny that even if you know it to be
>> true.
>>
>> See http://www.geofflawrence.com/color_temperature.html 
>> 
>> I expect you will say the site is wrong but that will just be your
>> usual quibbling over details.
>
>it's not wrong. the problem is you don't understand about white balance
>or copying slides/negatives.

Please explain - if you can.
-- 

Regards,

Eric Stevens 

	
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> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 07:13:11 -0400, nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> In article<it3fadpiuejm2vmkh47r69jnle6pfrj8c5@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
>><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunlight changes.
>>>>
>>>> copy during the day.
>>>
>>> ... during the day when color temperatures depend upon all kinds of
>>> factors.
>>
>> that does not matter *at* *all*.
>>
>>> But I'm sure you will deny that even if you know it to be
>>> true.
>>>
>>> See http://www.geofflawrence.com/color_temperature.html
>>>
>>> I expect you will say the site is wrong but that will just be your
>>> usual quibbling over details.
>>
>> it's not wrong. the problem is you don't understand about white balance
>> or copying slides/negatives.
> 
> Please explain - if you can.
> 
I worked on an advanced physics project some time ago where I asked
my supervisor to explain the project he responded that I was too dumb
to understand it.
Years later I found out that the actual reason for not explaining it was 
that
he didn't understand it and was too insecure to admit that.
~~
Wondering if there is a parallel here. As always, the devil is in the
details .. details seldom provided.
-- 
==
Later...
Ron C
-- 

	
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>  As always, the devil is in the
> details .. details seldom provided.

That's one place where I look for him... He has several dwellings you 
know! It won't end 'till either one of us is dead...
-- 
teleportation kills 

	
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> >> >> 
> >> >> Sunlight changes.
> >> >
> >> >copy during the day.
> >> 
> >> ... during the day when color temperatures depend upon all kinds of
> >> factors. 
> >
> >that does not matter *at* *all*.
> >
> >> But I'm sure you will deny that even if you know it to be
> >> true.
> >>
> >> See http://www.geofflawrence.com/color_temperature.html 
> >> 
> >> I expect you will say the site is wrong but that will just be your
> >> usual quibbling over details.
> >
> >it's not wrong. the problem is you don't understand about white balance
> >or copying slides/negatives.
> 
> Please explain - if you can.

i can, and already did to an extent, both in the text you quoted and
also in the text you snipped.

have you even used a slide copier attachment?? 

	
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>In article<045jad5gmspvo3jn1298470fsd4os6e0c3@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens
><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Sunlight changes.
>> >> >
>> >> >copy during the day.
>> >> 
>> >> ... during the day when color temperatures depend upon all kinds of
>> >> factors. 
>> >
>> >that does not matter *at* *all*.
>> >
>> >> But I'm sure you will deny that even if you know it to be
>> >> true.
>> >>
>> >> See http://www.geofflawrence.com/color_temperature.html 
>> >> 
>> >> I expect you will say the site is wrong but that will just be your
>> >> usual quibbling over details.
>> >
>> >it's not wrong. the problem is you don't understand about white balance
>> >or copying slides/negatives.
>> 
>> Please explain - if you can.
>
>i can, and already did to an extent, both in the text you quoted and
>also in the text you snipped.

1. There is no explanaytion of why you say that daylight under any
condition is suitable for use with a slide copier.

2.  I have snipped NO text.
>
>have you even used a slide copier attachment??

Yes, but not quite in that form. I used a macro lens with the camera
and  slide carrier mounted on a rail. I used a studio light as source.

-- 

Regards,

Eric Stevens