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Must’ve been a real slow news week…

CNN mocked after obsessing over white truck that blocked view of Trump playing golf
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/29/cnn-mocked-after-ob... 

	
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On 2017-12-29 11:20 PM, Dene wrote:
> Must’ve been a real slow news week…
> 
> CNN mocked after obsessing over white truck that blocked view of Trump playing golf
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/29/cnn-mocked-after-ob...
> 

Deflecting from the fact that the president who was going to "far too 
busy to play golf" has played FAR more than his predecessor...

....which predecessor's behaviour had you claiming he never did anything 
at all.

:-) 

	
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Dene wrote:

> Must’ve been a real slow news week…
> 
> CNN mocked after obsessing over white truck that blocked view of
> Trump playing golf
>
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/29/cnn-mocked-after-ob...

The irony here is that while mocking CNN, rather poorly, they draw
attention to how embarrassed Trump is to be seen playing golf yet again.

What's to be mocked here; CNN for trying to get a picture of the
president going about his day or the president for ordering a white
truck to stalk him along the route in order to prevent such reporting.

So do Fox report how much time Trump has spent on his own properties
this year and how much his companies have made out of that choice.
That's your money that's going in his pocket every time he plays golf.

Not worth reporting on, huh.

-- 
Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong message.*** 

	
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On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> 
> > Must’ve been a real slow news week…
> > 
> > CNN mocked after obsessing over white truck that blocked view of
> > Trump playing golf
> >
>
<http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/29/cnn-mocked-after-ob...
> 
> The irony here is that while mocking CNN, rather poorly, they draw
> attention to how embarrassed Trump is to be seen playing golf yet again.
> 
> What's to be mocked here; CNN for trying to get a picture of the
> president going about his day or the president for ordering a white
> truck to stalk him along the route in order to prevent such reporting.

How about how Fox is clearly not being a non-partisan reporter?

BTW, another irony here is in Fox's URL:   "...com/entertainment/..."


> So do Fox report how much time Trump has spent on his own properties
> this year and how much his companies have made out of that choice.
> That's your money that's going in his pocket every time he plays golf.
> 
> Not worth reporting on, huh.

Apparently, only when it can be given a partisan spin.


-hh 

	
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On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
> Dene wrote:
> 
> > Must’ve been a real slow news week…
> > 
> > CNN mocked after obsessing over white truck that blocked view of
> > Trump playing golf
> >
>
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/29/cnn-mocked-after-ob...
> 
> The irony here is that while mocking CNN, rather poorly, they draw
> attention to how embarrassed Trump is to be seen playing golf yet again.
> 
> What's to be mocked here; CNN for trying to get a picture of the
> president going about his day or the president for ordering a white
> truck to stalk him along the route in order to prevent such reporting.
> 
> So do Fox report how much time Trump has spent on his own properties
> this year and how much his companies have made out of that choice.
> That's your money that's going in his pocket every time he plays golf.
> 
> Not worth reporting on, huh.
> 
> -- 
> Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong message.***

Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
four years. 

	
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> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
> four years.
> 

Fake news.
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>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>> four years.
>>
> 
> Fake news.
> 

No. It is not.

People can actually track these things, you know. 

	
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> On 2017-12-31 9:41 AM, Moderate wrote:
>> "John B."<johnb505@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
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>>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
>>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>>> four years.
>>>
>> 
>> Fake news.
>> 
> 
> No. It is not.
> 
> People can actually track these things, you know.
> 

Then why did they fabricate it?
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one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first 
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Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is? 

	
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> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
> four years.
> 
> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
> 

It was important to you how much time Obama spent on vacation, hypocrite. 

	
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> DumbedDownUSA wrote: 
>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than 
>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first 
>> four years. 
>
> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is? 

Because it means every time he says "we need to cut program xyz because 
we can't afford it" ... is simple yet another lie.  Being silent then means that you 
endorse such duplicity and its contempt for personal integrity & accountability.


-hh 

	
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On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
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> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first 
> four years. 
> 
> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?

WOW!!!  The Dumb Little Shits here are still babbling aimlessly for your attention.

They are such amusing Assholes without lives. 

	
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WOW!!!  The Dumb Little Shits here are still babbling aimlessly for your attention. 

They are such amusing Assholes without lives. 

Hence the term, circle-jerkers. :-) 

	
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^^^^

Irony.

> WOW!!!  The Dumb Little Shits here are still babbling aimlessly for
> your attention.
> 
> They are such amusing Assholes without lives. 
> 
> Hence the term, circle-jerkers. :-)

Wow!!! Indeed. Reduced to a few repeated insults.

His post sums up him up in so many ways.

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> 
> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?

Den(s)e proving yet again that ethics is just a dirty word to him.

I guess the taxpayer will be paying a pretty penny for security tonight
but Trump himslef will be cashing in by charging guests $750 a head.
You have to be president to do that.

Has any other president cashed in anything like as much as this guy?

Cashing in and selling Americans out... that what 45 will be known for.

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> Dene wrote:
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>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA
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>> than one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his
>> first four years.
>>
>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>
> Den(s)e proving yet again that ethics is just a dirty word to him.
>
> I guess the taxpayer will be paying a pretty penny for security tonight
> but Trump himslef will be cashing in by charging guests $750 a head.
> You have to be president to do that.
>
> Has any other president cashed in anything like as much as this guy?

LOL!!! Cough, Clintons, cough. 

	
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> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?

Are you f**king kidding? 

	
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> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is? 

Are you f**king kidding? 

No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example. Payroll for
security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the federal
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> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
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>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>> four years.
>>
>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
> 
> Are you f**king kidding?
> 
> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example. Payroll
for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the federal
government?
> 

Which is a nice strawman, Greg.

See if you can figure out why. 

	
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> Dene wrote: 
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>> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For 
>> example. Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people 
>> already being paid by the federal government? 
> 
> Which is a nice strawman, Greg. 
> 
> See if you can figure out why. 

It's a deflection attempt on Greg's part, so that he can try to invoke 
a "Fake News!" claim on the report.

For example, establishing a new secure location has additional costs because 
the site needs to be surveyed (labor), vulnerabilities identified (labor) & countered
(equipment purchases, installation, pilot testing, V&V, etc).  And then once deployed, 
there's the direct & indirect costs of flying Air Force One (equipment & crews) and 
the travel & per diem costs for all security staff .. because they're no longer staying at home.
Ditto for all of the non-security staff too.

For a quick example of this last one, the 2017 Per Diem rates for Miami are $260/pp-day, 
which does not include any transportation (flights to/from D.C. as well as a local rental car, etc).

As such for an utter bare bones 30 person contingent (probably closer to what a minor Secretary gets)
for a short five day trip, you're looking at 30*260*5 = $40K in basic Per Diem costs before you even 
consider their labor hours, any transportation, etc.  For the POTUS with support staff, I'd figure
at 
least a hundred people going on TDY, so easily $150K for Per Diem, plus a hundred commercial 
airline flights at $500 each for another +$50K, etc...all of which are not paid when "home" in DC.

-hh 

	
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> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote: 
> > On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote: 
> > - show quoted text - 
> > Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than 
> > one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first 
> > four years. 
> > 
> > Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is? 
> 
> Are you f**king kidding? 
> 
> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example. Payroll
for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the federal
government?

Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to 
protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to 
a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
profits from being president. 

	
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>On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote: 
>> > On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote: 
>> > - show quoted text - 
>> > Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than 
>> > one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first 
>> > four years. 
>> > 
>> > Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is? 
>> 
>> Are you f**king kidding? 
>> 
>> No I 

	
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> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
>>> - show quoted text -
>>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
>>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>>> four years.
>>>
>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>>
>> Are you f**king kidding?
>>
>> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example. Payroll
for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the federal
government?
>
> Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
> to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
> rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
> protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
> a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
> at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
> profits from being president.

Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard? 

	
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> John B. wrote:
> > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
> >>> - show quoted text -
> >>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
> >>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
> >>> four years.
> >>>
> >>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
> >>
> >> Are you f**king kidding?
> >>
> >> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example. Payroll
for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the federal
government?
> >
> > Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
> > to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
> > rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
> > protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
> > a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
> > at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
> > profits from being president.
> 
> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent
> a multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?

Oh, so is Trump actually NOT charging the government for the use
of his properties?  How about a citation that shows that?  

You know, something like this:

"The Government is Paying $2.4 Million to Rent Space in New 
York City's Trump Tower"
<http://www.newsweek.com/government-paying-trump-tower-presidential-...

"G.S.A. negotiated a separate, successful lease...[it] is 
privately owned, so Mr. Trump’s company will not directly 
benefit from the government lease. It costs $130,000 a month."

<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/03/us/politics/secret-service-trump-...

(Hint:  12 months @ $130K/mo = $1.56M/year (35% cheaper).


And insofar as security costs vs. Martha's Vineyard, the 
latter is less populated and an island with very limited 
access, which reduces/eliminates a lot of potential security 
threat vectors.  That means that with all other factors 
equal, Martha's Vineyard would be cheaper than any of the
Trump properties he's used to date to provide security for.  


-hh 

	
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>John B. wrote:
>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
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>>>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>>>> four years.
>>>>
>>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>>>
>>> Are you f**king kidding?
>>>
>>> No I 

	
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> >John B. wrote:
> >> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
> >>>> - show quoted text -
> >>>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
> >>>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
> >>>> four years.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
> >>>
> >>> Are you f**king kidding?
> >>>
> >>> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example.
Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the
federal government?
> >>
> >> Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
> >> to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
> >> rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
> >> protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
> >> a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
> >> at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
> >> profits from being president.
> >
> >Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
> >multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
> 
> Depending on how many trips are taken.  Any trips to Martha's Vinyard
> damned sure couldn't cost as much as was spent in 2017 on Trump's
> trips.

True, there's other variables.  I looked at Mike's question with
an assumed level of parity on the demand side - - ie, the total
number of trips and/or days, quantity of core WH staff to be 
protected, etc - - that a security detail would need to control.

From that perspective, a small & easily isolated island is a 
lot easier & cheaper from a security standpoint.  

-hh 

	
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> >>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
> >>> - show quoted text -
> >>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
> >>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
> >>> four years.
> >>>
> >>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
> >>
> >> Are you f**king kidding?
> >>
> >> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example. Payroll
for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the federal
government?
> >
> > Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
> > to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
> > rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
> > protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
> > a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
> > at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
> > profits from being president.
> 
> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
> multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?

Whatever it is...it's much ado about nothing.  Circle-jerkers and haters have to find something. 
Too much is going right with the US. 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 1:36:26 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:02:42 AM UTC-8, MNMikeW wrote:
> > John B. wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
> > >>> - show quoted text -
> > >>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
> > >>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
> > >>> four years.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
> > >>
> > >> Are you f**king kidding?
> > >>
> > >> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example.
Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the
federal government?
> > >
> > > Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
> > > to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
> > > rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
> > > protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
> > > a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
> > > at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
> > > profits from being president.
> > 
> > Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
> > multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
> 
> Whatever it is...it's much ado about nothing.  Circle-jerkers and
> haters have to find something...  

Agree that there are those who will find reasons to hate no matter what,
for here's an example specific to Martha's Vineyard:

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.golf/IhqX2bvMpb4/pRzc1ouxA...


> Too much is going right with the US.

Still waiting to hear precisely what this allegedly is supposed to be,
for we've already seen that the 2017 Tax "reform" bill wasn't that, 
but was a straightaway kickback to Trumpet big donors, with an
estimated $150B/year increase in deficits ... while gosh golly,
guess who is now trying to figure out how to fund that?

By cutting current infrastructure projects?  

<http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a14524265/trump-blocks-railway...
<http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20171229/POLITICS/171229921/tr...

Restructure to make it a kickback for private investors?  How's
a planned 15% ROI sound?  

<https://usa.streetsblog.org/2018/01/02/taxpayers-lose-and-banks-win-...

<https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trump-backs-off-vow-that-pr...
<http://reason.com/blog/2017/12/12/private-investment-back-in-trump&...


-hh 

	
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Dene wrote:

> Whatever it is...it's much ado about nothing.  Circle-jerkers and
> haters have to find something.  Too much is going right with the US.

You say that as if you weren't a hater... just a casual bigot...

....and as if you have to go looking to see things to dislike about
Trumps hypocrisy, bigotry, mysogyny, dishonesty, lack of intelligence,
divisiveness... and hate. No-one hates like Trump. Half of what he does
is based on hate...

What's going right with the US mostly started under Obama. That Trump
hasn't torpedoed everything is an achievement... you can have that...
but not without recognising that the trends have not changed much.

....you won't agree... because haters gotta hate... agreed!?

-- 
Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong message.*** 

	
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On 2018-01-02 1:36 PM, Dene wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:02:42 AM UTC-8, MNMikeW wrote:
>> John B. wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
>>>>> - show quoted text -
>>>>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
>>>>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>>>>> four years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>>>>
>>>> Are you f**king kidding?
>>>>
>>>> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example. Payroll
for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the federal
government?
>>>
>>> Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
>>> to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
>>> rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
>>> protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
>>> a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
>>> at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
>>> profits from being president.
>>
>> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a
>> multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
> 
> Whatever it is...it's much ado about nothing.  Circle-jerkers and haters have to find something. 
Too much is going right with the US.
> 

What you're overlooking is simply the total amount of TIME that Trump 
(your "leader") wasn't doing his JOB. 

	
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> John B. wrote:
>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA 
>>>> wrote:
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>>>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
>>>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>>>> four years.
>>>>
>>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>>>
>>> Are you f**king kidding?
>>>
>>> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful 
>>> way.  For example. Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or 
>>> were these people already being paid by the federal government?
>>
>> Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
>> to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
>> rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
>> protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
>> a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
>> at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
>> profits from being president.
> 
> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
> multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?

Mikey: he is CHARGING THE US GOVERNMENT. 

	
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On 01/05/2018 10:29 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2018-01-02 10:02 AM, MNMikeW wrote:
>> John B. wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA
>>>>> wrote: - show quoted text - Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer
>>>>> dollars on vacations in less than one year, which is more than any
>>>>> previous president spent in his first four years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>>>>
>>>> Are you f**king kidding?
>>>>
>>>> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful
>>>> way.  For example. Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or
>>>> were these people already being paid by the federal government?
>>>
>>> Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
>>> to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
>>> rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
>>> protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to a
>>> building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it at
>>> his own properties, than any previous president. He personally profits
>>> from being president.
>>
>> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent
>> a multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
> 
> Mikey: he is CHARGING THE US GOVERNMENT.

Mike: Emoluments clause. Look it up. We'll wait. 

	
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Carbon<nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:
> On 01/05/2018 10:29 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2018-01-02 10:02 AM, MNMikeW wrote:
>>> John B. wrote:
>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA
>>>>>> wrote: - show quoted text - Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer
>>>>>> dollars on vacations in less than one year, which is more than any
>>>>>> previous president spent in his first four years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you f**king kidding?
>>>>>
>>>>> No I?m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful
>>>>> way.  For example. Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or
>>>>> were these people already being paid by the federal government?
>>>>
>>>> Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
>>>> to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
>>>> rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
>>>> protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to a
>>>> building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it at
>>>> his own properties, than any previous president. He personally profits
>>>> from being president.
>>>
>>> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent
>>> a multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
>> 
>> Mikey: he is CHARGING THE US GOVERNMENT.
> 
> Mike: Emoluments clause. Look it up. We'll wait.   
> 

Idiots.
-- 

	
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On 2018-01-05 7:58 PM, Moderate wrote:
> Carbon<nobrac@nospam.tampabay.rr.com> Wrote in message:
>> On 01/05/2018 10:29 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-02 10:02 AM, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>> John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA
>>>>>>> wrote: - show quoted text - Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer
>>>>>>> dollars on vacations in less than one year, which is more than any
>>>>>>> previous president spent in his first four years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you f**king kidding?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No I?m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful
>>>>>> way.  For example. Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or
>>>>>> were these people already being paid by the federal government?
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
>>>>> to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
>>>>> rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
>>>>> protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to a
>>>>> building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it at
>>>>> his own properties, than any previous president. He personally profits
>>>>> from being president.
>>>>
>>>> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent
>>>> a multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
>>>
>>> Mikey: he is CHARGING THE US GOVERNMENT.
>>
>> Mike: Emoluments clause. Look it up. We'll wait.
>>
> 
> Idiots.
> 

You are less than useless.

Hence your knew sobriquet! 

	
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> John B. wrote:
> > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
> >>> - show quoted text -
> >>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
> >>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
> >>> four years.
> >>>
> >>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
> >>
> >> Are you f**king kidding?
> >>
> >> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example. Payroll
for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the federal
government?
> >
> > Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
> > to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
> > rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
> > protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
> > a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
> > at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
> > profits from being president.
> 
> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
> multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?

Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one 
year than Obama spent in four. 

	
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>> John B. wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
>>>>> - show quoted text -
>>>>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
>>>>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>>>>> four years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>>>>
>>>> Are you f**king kidding?
>>>>
>>>> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example. Payroll
for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the federal
government?
>>>
>>> Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
>>> to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
>>> rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
>>> protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
>>> a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
>>> at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
>>> profits from being president.
>>
>> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a
>> multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
> 
> Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one
> year than Obama spent in four.
> 

But, but...

....he was going to be "far too busy" for golf, wasn't he?

:-) 

	
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> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote:
> > John B. wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
> > >>> - show quoted text -
> > >>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
> > >>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
> > >>> four years.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
> > >>
> > >> Are you f**king kidding?
> > >>
> > >> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example.
Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the
federal government?
> > >
> > > Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
> > > to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
> > > rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
> > > protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
> > > a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
> > > at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
> > > profits from being president.
> > 
> > Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
> > multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
> 
> Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one 
> year than Obama spent in four.

And Trump has done more in one year that Obama did in six. 

	
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> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote:
>>> John B. wrote:
>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
>>>>>> - show quoted text -
>>>>>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
>>>>>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>>>>>> four years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you f**king kidding?
>>>>>
>>>>> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example.
Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the
federal government?
>>>>
>>>> Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
>>>> to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
>>>> rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
>>>> protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
>>>> a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
>>>> at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
>>>> profits from being president.
>>>
>>> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a
>>> multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
>>
>> Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one
>> year than Obama spent in four.
> 
> And Trump has done more in one year that Obama did in six.
> 

No... ...he really hasn't. 

	
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> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote:
> > > John B. wrote:
> > > > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> > > >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
> > > >>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
> > > >>> - show quoted text -
> > > >>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
> > > >>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
> > > >>> four years.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
> > > >>
> > > >> Are you f**king kidding?
> > > >>
> > > >> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example.
Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the
federal government?
> > > >
> > > > Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
> > > > to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
> > > > rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
> > > > protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
> > > > a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
> > > > at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
> > > > profits from being president.
> > > 
> > > Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
> > > multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
> > 
> > Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one 
> > year than Obama spent in four.
> 
> And Trump has done more in one year that Obama did in six.

Again, all mouth, no substance. 

	
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On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:12:56 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote: 
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote: 
> > > John B. wrote: 
> > > > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote: 
> > > >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote: 
> > > >>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote: 
> > > >>> - show quoted text - 
> > > >>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than 
> > > >>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first 
> > > >>> four years. 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is? 
> > > >> 
> > > >> Are you f**king kidding? 
> > > >> 
> > > >> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example.
Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the
federal government? 
> > > > 
> > > > Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them 
> > > > to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay 
> > > > rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to 
> > > > protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to 
> > > > a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it 
> > > > at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally 
> > > > profits from being president. 
> > > 
> > > Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
> > > multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard? 
> > 
> > Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one 
> > year than Obama spent in four. 
> 
> And Trump has done more in one year that Obama did in six. 

Again, all mouth, no substance. 

I haven’t seen any substance in any of your posts today....just anklebiting. 

	
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> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:12:56 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote:
>>>> John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
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>>>>>>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
>>>>>>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>>>>>>> four years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you f**king kidding?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example.
Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the
federal government?
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
>>>>> to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
>>>>> rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
>>>>> protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
>>>>> a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
>>>>> at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
>>>>> profits from being president.
>>>>
>>>> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a
>>>> multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
>>>
>>> Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one
>>> year than Obama spent in four.
>>
>> And Trump has done more in one year that Obama did in six.
> 
> Again, all mouth, no substance.
> 
> I haven’t seen any substance in any of your posts today....just anklebiting.
> 

There's as much substance in his post as in your rebuttal, Greg...

....the only difference being that John's is true and your is bullshit. 

	
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> > On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote: 
> > > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote: 
> > > > John B. wrote: 
> > > > > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote: 
> > > > >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote: 
> > > > >>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote: 
> > > > >>> - show quoted text - 
> > > > >>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than 
> > > > >>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first 
> > > > >>> four years. 
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is? 
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> Are you f**king kidding? 
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example.
Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the
federal government? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them 
> > > > > to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay 
> > > > > rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to 
> > > > > protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to 
> > > > > a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it 
> > > > > at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally 
> > > > > profits from being president. 
> > > > 
> > > > Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
> > > > multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard? 
> > > 
> > > Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one 
> > > year than Obama spent in four. 
> > 
> > And Trump has done more in one year that Obama did in six. 
> 
> Again, all mouth, no substance. 
> 
> I haven’t seen any substance in any of your posts today....just anklebiting.

Today? We've both been hanging around here for a long time. But you
just look at one day? 

	
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> > On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-8, John B. wrote: 
> > > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote: 
> > > > John B. wrote: 
> > > > > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote: 
> > > > >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote: 
> > > > >>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote: 
> > > > >>> - show quoted text - 
> > > > >>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than 
> > > > >>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first 
> > > > >>> four years. 
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is? 
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> Are you f**king kidding? 
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example.
Payroll for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the
federal government? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them 
> > > > > to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay 
> > > > > rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to 
> > > > > protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to 
> > > > > a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it 
> > > > > at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally 
> > > > > profits from being president. 
> > > > 
> > > > Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
> > > > multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard? 
> > > 
> > > Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one 
> > > year than Obama spent in four. 
> > 
> > And Trump has done more in one year that Obama did in six. 
> 
> Again, all mouth, no substance. 
> 
> I haven’t seen any substance in any of your posts today....just anklebiting. 

Today? We've both been hanging around here for a long time. But you 
just look at one day? 

————————

Still waiting… 

	
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> > On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 1:12:56 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote: 
> > > On Wednesday, January 10, 2018 at 9:52:21 AM UTC-8, John B.
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-5, MNMikeW
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > John B. wrote: 
> > > > > > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene
> > > > > wrote:  >>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM
> > > > > UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:  >>> - show quoted text - 
> > > > > >>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations
> > > > > in less than >>> one year, which is more than any previous
> > > > > president spent in his first >>> four years. 
> > > > > >>> 
> > > > > >>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is? 
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> Are you f**king kidding? 
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> No I’m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a
> > > > > deceitful way.  For example. Payroll for security.  Was extra
> > > > > security hired or were these people already being paid by the
> > > > > federal government?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which
> > > > > > required them to go to Congress and ask for more money. He
> > > > > > required the SS to pay rent on its quarters in Trump Tower,
> > > > > > which they required in order to protect him. He jacked up
> > > > > > the rent last year, so they moved to a building next door.
> > > > > > He has spent more time on vacation, all of it at his own
> > > > > > properties, than any previous president. He personally
> > > > > > profits from being president.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it
> > > > > cheaper to rent a multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas
> > > > > Vinyard?
> > > > 
> > > > Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one 
> > > > year than Obama spent in four. 
> > > 
> > > And Trump has done more in one year that Obama did in six. 
> > 
> > Again, all mouth, no substance. 
> > 
> > I haven’t seen any substance in any of your posts today....just
> > anklebiting.
> 
> Today? We've both been hanging around here for a long time. But you 
> just look at one day? 
> 
> ————————
> 
> Still waiting…

Then you haven't been looking paedo-dene.

-- 
Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong message.*** 

	
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"John B."<johnb505@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote:
>> John B. wrote:
>> > On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>> >>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
>> >>> - show quoted text -
>> >>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
>> >>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>> >>> four years.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>> >>
>> >> Are you f**king kidding?
>> >>
>> >> No I?m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example. Payroll
for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the federal
government?
>> >
>> > Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
>> > to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
>> > rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
>> > protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
>> > a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
>> > at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
>> > profits from being president.
>> 
>> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a 
>> multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
> 
> Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one 
> year than Obama spent in four.
> 

This myth was debunked last week.
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On 2018-01-10 10:20 AM, Moderate wrote:
> "John B."<johnb505@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-5, MNMikeW wrote:
>>> John B. wrote:
>>>> On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 11:38:33 AM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, December 31, 2017 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-5, Dene wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
>>>>>> - show quoted text -
>>>>>> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
>>>>>> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
>>>>>> four years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cite....But regardless, the reason that is important is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you f**king kidding?
>>>>>
>>>>> No I?m not. I think a lot of times money is counted in a deceitful way.  For example. Payroll
for security.  Was extra security hired or were these people already being paid by the federal
government?
>>>>
>>>> Trump broke the Secret Service's budget for fy17, which required them
>>>> to go to Congress and ask for more money. He required the SS to pay
>>>> rent on its quarters in Trump Tower, which they required in order to
>>>> protect him. He jacked up the rent last year, so they moved to
>>>> a building next door. He has spent more time on vacation, all of it
>>>> at his own properties, than any previous president. He personally
>>>> profits from being president.
>>>
>>> Is it cheaper to stay at ones own properties. or is it cheaper to rent a
>>> multi-million dollar mansion on Marthas Vinyard?
>>
>> Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one
>> year than Obama spent in four.
>>
> 
> This myth was debunked last week.
> 

Then you should easily be able to point to this "debunking".. 

	
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Alan Baker<alangbaker@telus.net> Wrote in message:
> On 2018-01-10 10:20 AM, Moderate wrote:
>> "John B."<johnb505@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>> Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one
>>> year than Obama spent in four.
>>>
>> 
>> This myth was debunked last week.
>> 
> 
> Then you should easily be able to point to this "debunking"..
> 

As should you since you commented on it.
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On 2018-01-10 11:21 AM, Moderate wrote:
> Alan Baker<alangbaker@telus.net> Wrote in message:
>> On 2018-01-10 10:20 AM, Moderate wrote:
>>> "John B."<johnb505@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>> Trump has spent more taxpayer money on vacations in one
>>>> year than Obama spent in four.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This myth was debunked last week.
>>>
>>
>> Then you should easily be able to point to this "debunking"..
>>
> 
> As should you since you commented on it.
> 

And yet, you provide no proof of that assertion...

....nor the one preceding it.

Is that incompetence? 

	
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"John B."<johnb505@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA wrote:
>> Dene wrote:
>> 
>> > Must?ve been a real slow news week?
>> > 
>> > CNN mocked after obsessing over white truck that blocked view of
>> > Trump playing golf
>> >
>>
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/29/cnn-mocked-after-ob...
>> 
>> The irony here is that while mocking CNN, rather poorly, they draw
>> attention to how embarrassed Trump is to be seen playing golf yet again.
>> 
>> What's to be mocked here; CNN for trying to get a picture of the
>> president going about his day or the president for ordering a white
>> truck to stalk him along the route in order to prevent such reporting.
>> 
>> So do Fox report how much time Trump has spent on his own properties
>> this year and how much his companies have made out of that choice.
>> That's your money that's going in his pocket every time he plays golf.
>> 
>> Not worth reporting on, huh.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong message.***
> 
> Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less than
> one year, which is more than any previous president spent in his first
> four years.
> 

What a liar.

http://www.newsweek.com/obama-administration-travel-costs-114-mill
ion-trump-723883



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Moderate wrote:

> "John B."<johnb505@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> > On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:22:23 AM UTC-5, DumbedDownUSA
> > wrote:
> >> Dene wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Must?ve been a real slow news week?
> >> > 
> >> > CNN mocked after obsessing over white truck that blocked view of
> >> > Trump playing golf
> >> >
> >>
> http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/12/29/cnn-mocked-after-ob...
> sing-over-white-truck-that-block-view-trump-playing-golf.html >> >>
> The irony here is that while mocking CNN, rather poorly, they draw >>
> attention to how embarrassed Trump is to be seen playing golf yet
> again.  >> >> What's to be mocked here; CNN for trying to get a
> picture of the >> president going about his day or the president for
> ordering a white >> truck to stalk him along the route in order to
> prevent such reporting.  >> 
> >> So do Fox report how much time Trump has spent on his own
> properties >> this year and how much his companies have made out of
> that choice.  >> That's your money that's going in his pocket every
> time he plays golf.  >> 
> >> Not worth reporting on, huh.
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong
> message.***
> > 
> > Trump has spent $92 million taxpayer dollars on vacations in less
> > than one year, which is more than any previous president spent in
> > his first four years.
> > 
> 
> What a liar.
> 
> http://www.newsweek.com/obama-administration-travel-costs-114-mill
> ion-trump-723883

https://www.snopes.com/obama-trump-travel-costs/

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Trump ***Irresponsible, unprofessional and sending the wrong message.***