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last night, mainly in VA but elsewhere too.

Big takeaways - A) Northram outpolled by a *lot*  B)  Just as Trump was a "pushback" type of vote,
the anti-Trump vote is going to fire up the blue base a lot.  C)  Mainstream cons have zero reason
to come out right now given the lack of production from the president or Congress  D) Labeling your
opponent as a kid killer hunting them with trucks apparently works  E) we'll all read too much and
too little into the results and forget all the times Congress has flipped to the president's first
term flops.  F)  Speaker Pelosi

G)  Weird political tidbit - Trump is the 5th straight president to have both the VA and NJ
gubernatorial election go against his party in his first term 

	
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>last night, mainly in VA but elsewhere too.
>
>Big takeaways - A) Northram outpolled by a *lot*  B)  Just as Trump was a "=
>pushback" type of vote, the anti-Trump vote is going to fire up the blue ba=
>se a lot.  C)  Mainstream cons have zero reason to come out right now given=
> the lack of production from the president or Congress  D) Labeling your op=
>ponent as a kid killer hunting them with trucks apparently works  E) we'll =
>all read too much and too little into the results and forget all the times =
>Congress has flipped to the president's first term flops.  F)  Speaker Pelo=
>si
>
>G)  Weird political tidbit - Trump is the 5th straight president to have bo=
>th the VA and NJ gubernatorial election go against his party in his first t=
>erm

I'm not sure what difference governers make nationally.

I think it's obvious the Socialists will win the next presidential
election. The number of freeloaders and those who pay them to do so is
overwhelming.

Hugh

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> last night, mainly in VA but elsewhere too.
> D) Labeling your opponent as a kid killer hunting them with trucks apparently works 

Huh?
 
> G)  Weird political tidbit - Trump is the 5th straight president to have both the VA and NJ
gubernatorial election go against his party in his first term

That is interesting. 

	
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> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 12:44:05 PM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > last night, mainly in VA but elsewhere too.
> > D) Labeling your opponent as a kid killer hunting them with trucks apparently works 
> 
> Huh?

You didn't see the ad Northram supporters ran?  Not quite Daisy Girl level - but certainly on a par
with Willie Horton
  
> > G)  Weird political tidbit - Trump is the 5th straight president to have both the VA and NJ
gubernatorial election go against his party in his first term
> 
> That is interesting.

Doesn't mean much I'm sure - just a tidbit 

	
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> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 12:51:52 PM UTC-6, xyzzy wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 12:44:05 PM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > > last night, mainly in VA but elsewhere too.
> > > D) Labeling your opponent as a kid killer hunting them with trucks apparently works 
> > 
> > Huh?
> 
> You didn't see the ad Northram supporters ran?  Not quite Daisy Girl level - but certainly on a
par with Willie Horton
>   

Links are always good!

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/10/30/latino_victory_fu... 

	
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Not worse than Gillespie's MS-13 ad. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wQbutJxWE0Y 

	
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> Not worse than Gillespie's MS-13 ad. 
> 
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wQbutJxWE0Y

Which, in all fairness, I did NOT see.  So thanks - yeah - bad. 

	
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> Not worse than Gillespie's MS-13 ad. 
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> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wQbutJxWE0Y

Oh, it's worse, by far. It actually suggest Gillespie voters chase down
minority kids with cars. The MS-13 add attacks Northram's vote and says
it will "increase the threat". The two aren't even in the same ballpark.

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But it won't Connie.  And it was racist as hell. 

	
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On 2017-11-09, tim.vanwagonerspam@gmail.com <tim.vanwagonerspam@gmail.com> wrote:
> But it won't Connie.

Won't what? Increase the risk? That is certainly an opinion to have, I
suppose, but it is only an opinion.

The Northram-linked anti-Gillespie ad literally made accusations against
Gillespie voters.

> And it was racist as hell.

That's a matter of opinion. MS-13 is Hispanic, and a huge percentage
of its members here are illegals. Sanctuary cities harbor illegal
immigrants.

Again, the two aren't even in the same ballpark. Not even close.

Because it doesn't even pretend to attack a real position that
Gillespie took, but implies that Gillespie voters are child-killers,
the ad run by Dems is worse than the Willie Horton ad. And that is
saying a whole bunch.

-- 
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> But it won't Connie.  And it was racist as hell.
> 

Have you ever dealt with MS-13 or the Mexican Mafia? 

	
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> On 2017-11-08, tim.vanwagonerspam@gmail.com <tim.vanwagonerspam@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Not worse than Gillespie's MS-13 ad. 
> >
> > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wQbutJxWE0Y
> 
> Oh, it's worse, by far. It actually suggest Gillespie voters chase down
> minority kids with cars. The MS-13 add attacks Northram's vote and says
> it will "increase the threat". The two aren't even in the same ballpark.

"Your side's attack ad is just dirty.  My side's attack ad is A-OK!"

Sigh 

	
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Not an opinion Connie - there is research out there. One can't directly predict the effects on
general crime but one can predict what happens related to gangs. Groups like MS-13 primarily target
their own - just like all of the early ethnic gangs did. The whole Mafia wars of the 20's were about
replacing the old guard that continued to want to continue extortion of fellow Italians with younger
crooks that wanted to broaden out to other rackets. Likewise, MS-13 does the same with Central
American immigrants. They will thrive In an environment where the victims cannot dare go to
authorities - not just out of fear of reprisals, but fear of deportation. This makes the criminals
even more powerful and the victims even more desperate to where they are coerced into illegal acts
themselves. 

But they real problem I have with the commercial is using the imagery of tattooed thugs to paint the
whole of the undocumented population as dangerous criminals. There were 3 murders attributed to
MS-13 in VA last year, yet from the commercial you'd think they were some rampaging gang straight
out of Mad Max. 

The commercial by the Latino group against Gillespie was despicable but not racist (unless your
position is that only white people vote for Republicans). Racist, despicable, and paid for by your
own campaign wins for me. At the very least, Gillespie should have pawned that nonsense off to some
outside attack group. 

	
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> Not an opinion Connie - there is research out there.

Please don't make me laugh.

> One can't
> directly predict the effects on general crime but one can predict what
> happens related to gangs. Groups like MS-13 primarily target their own
> - just like all of the early ethnic gangs did. The whole Mafia wars of
> the 20's were about replacing the old guard that continued to want to
> continue extortion of fellow Italians with younger crooks that wanted
> to broaden out to other rackets. Likewise, MS-13 does the same with
> Central American immigrants. They will thrive In an environment where
> the victims cannot dare go to authorities - not just out of fear of
> reprisals, but fear of deportation. This makes the criminals even more
> powerful and the victims even more desperate to where they are coerced
> into illegal acts themselves.
>

We need to protect the *good* illegals!

> But they real problem I have with the commercial is using the imagery
> of tattooed thugs to paint the whole of the undocumented population as
> dangerous criminals. There were 3 murders attributed to MS-13 in VA
> last year, yet from the commercial you'd think they were some
> rampaging gang straight out of Mad Max.

Only 3? Just three? And how many terrorized? How many people have
to change their life, if not lose it, because Democrats want more voters?

>
> The commercial by the Latino group against Gillespie was despicable
> but not racist (unless your position is that only white people vote
> for Republicans).

It is utterly racist. It says "Gillespie voters are racist" which is
racist in and of itself. 

Everything the Dems do is racist. They claim "I'm the victim, I'm the
victim! Take things away from white people to make it right!" 

> Racist, despicable, and paid for by your own
> campaign wins for me. At the very least, Gillespie should have pawned
> that nonsense off to some outside attack group.

You guys can try and spin anything. The MS-13 ad is policy-based, no
matter your "facts". The Northam ad had nothing to do with policy, it 
only made racist insinuations.

-- 
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> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 11:41:39 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> On 2017-11-08, tim.vanwagonerspam@gmail.com <tim.vanwagonerspam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Not worse than Gillespie's MS-13 ad. 
>> >
>> > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wQbutJxWE0Y
>> 
>> Oh, it's worse, by far. It actually suggest Gillespie voters chase down
>> minority kids with cars. The MS-13 add attacks Northram's vote and says
>> it will "increase the threat". The two aren't even in the same ballpark.
>
> "Your side's attack ad is just dirty.  My side's attack ad is A-OK!"

I didn't say it was A-OK. It is a typical negative ad attacking an opponent -- disgusting
but pretty normal. Attacking the *voters* of the other party is something new and
something utterly repugnant. If you can find an example of that from the Republicans,
I will be happy to equate it to that.

-- 
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> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 12:44:05 PM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
>> last night, mainly in VA but elsewhere too.
>> D) Labeling your opponent as a kid killer hunting them with trucks apparently works 
>
> Huh?

A particularly slimy anti-Gillespie add put out by a Northram-linked 
PAC:

	http://wapo.st/2zITloo

>  
>> G)  Weird political tidbit - Trump is the 5th straight president to have both the VA and NJ
gubernatorial election go against his party in his first term
>
> That is interesting.  

Pretty normal. What wasn't normal was the complete shellacking done to 
the Republicans up and down the ticket in Virginia. 

The Democrats at this point look to have a 50-50 or better chance to take the
House in 2018, based on last night. But they are going to be tempted to go full
progressive, while the VA party did the tack-to-the-center thing and kicked ass
with it. I just hope the Dems double down on identity politics, single payer, and
the $15.00 minimum wage. That is the main Republican hope.

-- 
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On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 12:44:05 PM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> last night, mainly in VA but elsewhere too.
> 
> Big takeaways - A) Northram outpolled by a *lot*  B)  Just as Trump was a "pushback" type of vote,
the anti-Trump vote is going to fire up the blue base a lot.  C)  Mainstream cons have zero reason
to come out right now given the lack of production from the president or Congress  D) Labeling your
opponent as a kid killer hunting them with trucks apparently works  E) we'll all read too much and
too little into the results and forget all the times Congress has flipped to the president's first
term flops.  F)  Speaker Pelosi
> 
> G)  Weird political tidbit - Trump is the 5th straight president to have both the VA and NJ
gubernatorial election go against his party in his first term

On NPR, they had Arizona Dem Congressman Raúl Grijalva on to discuss the election and what it means
for the national party, 2018, etc.  I hope they just got him because he's available and not because
he's a leader of the party because he was terrible.  Couldn't even get his talking points straight,
bragged that the election was a backlash against Trump, and then said  that Dems can't just run
against Trump and they need to  stay progressive to win, bragged that Northam outperformed his poll
numbers as proof of his thesis, then when the interviewer reminded him that Northam is a moderate
establishment Dem he said yeah, it's a backlash against Trump, but we can't just run against Trump...

My typing it actually makes it sound better than it really was.  He was really terrible on his feet
and responding to questions and contradicting himself, etc. 

	
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On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 11:38:12 AM UTC-8, xyzzy wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 12:44:05 PM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > last night, mainly in VA but elsewhere too.
> > 
> > Big takeaways - A) Northram outpolled by a *lot*  B)  Just as Trump was a "pushback" type of
vote, the anti-Trump vote is going to fire up the blue base a lot.  C)  Mainstream cons have zero
reason to come out right now given the lack of production from the president or Congress  D)
Labeling your opponent as a kid killer hunting them with trucks apparently works  E) we'll all read
too much and too little into the results and forget all the times Congress has flipped to the
president's first term flops.  F)  Speaker Pelosi
> > 
> > G)  Weird political tidbit - Trump is the 5th straight president to have both the VA and NJ
gubernatorial election go against his party in his first term
> 
> On NPR, they had Arizona Dem Congressman Raúl Grijalva on to discuss the election and what it
means for the national party, 2018, etc.  I hope they just got him because he's available and not
because he's a leader of the party because he was terrible.  Couldn't even get his talking points
straight, bragged that the election was a backlash against Trump, and then said  that Dems can't
just run against Trump and they need to  stay progressive to win, bragged that Northam outperformed
his poll numbers as proof of his thesis, then when the interviewer reminded him that Northam is a
moderate establishment Dem he said yeah, it's a backlash against Trump, but we can't just run
against Trump...
> 
> My typing it actually makes it sound better than it really was.  He was really terrible on his
feet and responding to questions and contradicting himself, etc.

I am more and more convinced that the Democratic leadership is to deliver us to the Republicans for
our beheading.

You'd be *shocked* as to how many actual Republicans identify themselves as Democrat.

Mike