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The Public Middle School our granddaughter attends will observe the
day Friday at 1300. I attended each observation at her grammar school.
Our son, her father, is a 4 year veteran of the Air Force.

All our family (except maybe 3) plan to be here Thanksgiving.

Of course the above is meaningless to anyone who reads UNLESS - like
me, you are getting OLD and think familly is what it's all about.

I think Cheesehusker knows - and maybe Andrew... 'cept they ain't old.

Hugh

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I'm working on veteran day, but my kids are out of school. We talk about the significance of
fighting and dying  for freedom from tyranny. They get it, but being elementary school children,
they have to be constantly reminded of the desire for tyranny by others, even those with good
intentions. 

	
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>We talk 

Them's the key words rat thar.

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> I'm working on veteran day, but my kids are out of school. We talk about the significance of
fighting and dying  for freedom from tyranny. They get it, but being elementary school children,
they have to be constantly reminded of the desire for tyranny by others, even those with good
intentions.

I prefer Armistice Day, when people stop fighting. That's the goal, I believe. 

	
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> On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 8:17:40 AM UTC-8, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I'm working on veteran day, but my kids are out of school. We talk about the significance of
fighting and dying  for freedom from tyranny. They get it, but being elementary school children,
they have to be constantly reminded of the desire for tyranny by others, even those with good
intentions.
>
> I prefer Armistice Day, when people stop fighting. That's the goal, I believe.

You mean like the original Armistice, where you stop fighting and make
terrible peaces that breed a much bigger war that kills 4 times as many
people and takes the human race to depths never before plumbed?


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The fact that they stopped fighting is not the same thing as coming up with a treaty that led to
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> The fact that they stopped fighting is not the same thing as coming up
> with a treaty that led to WWII.

My point is that if you don't resolve the issues, you'll just have
either a) more fighting or 2) long-running resentments that flare
up forever. That's why the U.S. unconditional surrender demand in
WWII was brilliant. They didn't prioritize stopping fighting over
resolving the issue.

--  
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because they grow old, they grow old because they
stop pursuing dreams. -- Gabriel Garcia Marquez 

	
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"Con Reeder, unhyphenated American"  wrote

> My point is that if you don't resolve the issues, you'll just have
> either a) more fighting or 2) long-running resentments that flare
> up forever. 

> That's why the U.S. unconditional surrender demand in
> WWII was brilliant. They didn't prioritize stopping fighting over
> resolving the issue.

The issues weren't resolved until afterwards, with
the Treaty of San Francisco in '52.

Just like the issues with Germany after WWI were a 
result of the Treaty of Versailles, not the Armistice.

First you stop fighting, then you work to resolve issues.
Your statement is more "beating someone unconscious
in a fist fight prevents them from going and getting a gun
after they get back up."   It doesn't. 

	
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> On 2017-11-10, Eric Ramon<ramon.eric@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The fact that they stopped fighting is not the same thing as coming up
> > with a treaty that led to WWII.
> 
> My point is that if you don't resolve the issues, you'll just have
> either a) more fighting or 2) long-running resentments that flare
> up forever. That's why the U.S. unconditional surrender demand in
> WWII was brilliant. They didn't prioritize stopping fighting over
> resolving the issue.
> 
> --  
> It is not true that people stop pursuing dreams
> because they grow old, they grow old because they
> stop pursuing dreams. -- Gabriel Garcia Marquez

"We don't quit playing poker because we get old.  We get old
because we quit playing poker". -- Doyle Brunson

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>On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 8:17:40 AM UTC-8, the_andr...@yahoo.com wr=
>ote:
>> I'm working on veteran day, but my kids are out of school. We talk about =
>the significance of fighting and dying  for freedom from tyranny. They get =
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>ed of the desire for tyranny by others, even those with good intentions.
>
>I prefer Armistice Day, when people stop fighting. That's the goal, I belie=
>ve.

Unattainable, unfortunately...

Socialists and conservatives are a far worse divide than the East and
West that will never meet.

Hugh

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