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The big 4x4 2018 Expeditions range from $57-78k. 

Without the options. 

The $78k version has very few options, but still. 

Redonkulous. 

	
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> The big 4x4 2018 Expeditions range from $57-78k.
> 
> Without the options.
> 
> The $78k version has very few options, but still.
> 
> Redonkulous.
> 

I remember when those came out.  I was at Silver Lake and saw a just off 
the showroom example stuck on top of a dune.  I was amazed. 

	
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I had one a long time ago when TEH NANER DAWG 1.0 was but a pup. Then they kind of no longer
appealed to me. Then they got better looking and I had 56 children. 

Of course. They're 1/4th the value of my house so it's probably a no from me. 

	
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> The big 4x4 2018 Expeditions range from $57-78k. 

Sounds like Alabama has more money than I thought.

Irish Mike 

	
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> The big 4x4 2018 Expeditions range from $57-78k. 
> 
> Without the options. 
> 
> The $78k version has very few options, but still. 
> 
> Redonkulous.

Have you see pricing on Escalades?  You can push into 6 figures now....

SUV prices are crazy 

	
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Trucks too. A fully loaded F250 costs as much as a BMW M3. 

	
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> Trucks too. A fully loaded F250 costs as much as a BMW M3.

well comparing a car with 30k+ in options(the difference between the F-250 Platinum and F-250 XL
models) to an M3 with no extra options is a bit absurd.  

And even then, the factory discounts and juice built into most of these big luxury trucks(not
including things like the Raptor which are high demand of course) are astronomical....drive out
price on the F-250 Platinum with 30k in options(!) is still going to be a full 10k less than an m3
with no options. 

	
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> On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 10:50:52 AM UTC-5, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Trucks too. A fully loaded F250 costs as much as a BMW M3.
> 
> well comparing a car with 30k+ in options(the difference between the F-250 Platinum and F-250 XL
models) to an M3 with no extra options is a bit absurd.  
> 
> And even then, the factory discounts and juice built into most of these big luxury trucks(not
including things like the Raptor which are high demand of course) are astronomical....drive out
price on the F-250 Platinum with 30k in options(!) is still going to be a full 10k less than an m3
with no options.

sorry meant to say the platinum basically has 30k in options already in it(it's already optioned out
that way).... 

	
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And ~70% of pickups never seem to haul anything.  Crazy 

	
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> On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 9:50:52 AM UTC-6, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
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> 
> And ~70% of pickups never seem to haul anything.  Crazy

just as 98% of porsche turbos never see a track....and both are excellent things that speak to the
aewsomeness of current cars 

	
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> On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 9:50:52 AM UTC-6, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Trucks too. A fully loaded F250 costs as much as a BMW M3.
> > 
> > And ~70% of pickups never seem to haul anything.  Crazy
> 
> just as 98% of porsche turbos never see a track....and both are excellent things that speak to the
aewsomeness of current cars

There are at least 100 x more pickups than Porsche turbos 

	
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On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 11:37:20 AM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 10:11:11 AM UTC-6, michael anderson wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 9:50:52 AM UTC-6, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Trucks too. A fully loaded F250 costs as much as a BMW M3.
> > > 
> > > And ~70% of pickups never seem to haul anything.  Crazy
> > 
> > just as 98% of porsche turbos never see a track....and both are excellent things that speak to
the aewsomeness of current cars
> 
> There are at least 100 x more pickups than Porsche turbos

well yeah probably way more than that....but I expressed it as a % so it's just as applicable- most
guys with big pickup trucks don't use it to the full capacity and most guys with porsche turbos
don't track it/use it to full capacity. 

	
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> On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 11:37:20 AM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 10:11:11 AM UTC-6, michael anderson wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 9:50:52 AM UTC-6, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Trucks too. A fully loaded F250 costs as much as a BMW M3.
> > > > 
> > > > And ~70% of pickups never seem to haul anything.  Crazy
> > > 
> > > just as 98% of porsche turbos never see a track....and both are excellent things that speak to
the aewsomeness of current cars
> > 
> > There are at least 100 x more pickups than Porsche turbos
> 
> well yeah probably way more than that....but I expressed it as a % so it's just as applicable-
most guys with big pickup trucks don't use it to the full capacity and most guys with porsche turbos
don't track it/use it to full capacity.

Most/many pickups are used as daily drivers.  Porsches usually aren't. 

	
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On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 11:48:21 AM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 10:47:22 AM UTC-6, michael anderson wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 11:37:20 AM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 10:11:11 AM UTC-6, michael anderson wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 11:07:45 AM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 9:50:52 AM UTC-6, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Trucks too. A fully loaded F250 costs as much as a BMW M3.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And ~70% of pickups never seem to haul anything.  Crazy
> > > > 
> > > > just as 98% of porsche turbos never see a track....and both are excellent things that speak
to the aewsomeness of current cars
> > > 
> > > There are at least 100 x more pickups than Porsche turbos
> > 
> > well yeah probably way more than that....but I expressed it as a % so it's just as applicable-
most guys with big pickup trucks don't use it to the full capacity and most guys with porsche turbos
don't track it/use it to full capacity.
> 
> Most/many pickups are used as daily drivers.  Porsches usually aren't.

most turbos certainly arent...most everyone I know with a regular 911 does daily drive it though. 
It doesn't make sense not to since it's so big and practical and not a rough ride now. 

	
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> On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 12:25:14 PM UTC-6, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > The big 4x4 2018 Expeditions range from $57-78k. 
> > 
> > Without the options. 
> > 
> > The $78k version has very few options, but still. 
> > 
> > Redonkulous.
> 
> Have you see pricing on Escalades?  You can push into 6 figures now....

you theoretically could, but nobody is actually paying that.  the average discount off msrp on a
base model 73k escalade is over 8k(I bet someone could do a lot better than this though), and the
highly optioned versions are going to carry even bigger discounts.


> 
> SUV prices are crazy 

	
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