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Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough teams in to get all the teams that
actually have arguments for #1 while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
exciting.

Yes, the team now favored to win is the only one of the 4 in not to have a legitimate argument for
#1 as we headed to the CFP.  But it's a flawed team with 1 single loss - the same # the other three
teams had.

It also still allows the bowl system to exist and for those of us in cold climates to make trips to
California, Arizona, Florida, or Texas if we want to and center those trips around football. 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 1:35:53 PM UTC-5, JGibson wrote:
> Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough teams in to get all the teams
that actually have arguments for #1 while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
exciting.
> 
> Yes, the team now favored to win is the only one of the 4 in not to have a legitimate argument for
#1 as we headed to the CFP.  But it's a flawed team with 1 single loss - the same # the other three
teams had.
> 
> It also still allows the bowl system to exist and for those of us in cold climates to make trips
to California, Arizona, Florida, or Texas if we want to and center those trips around football.

IAWTP 

	
From: J. Hugh Sullivan <Eagle@bellsouth.net>
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>On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 1:35:53 PM UTC-5, JGibson wrote:
>> Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough teams in to get all the teams
that actually have arguments for #1 while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
exciting.
>> 
>> Yes, the team now favored to win is the only one of the 4 in not to have a legitimate argument
for #1 as we headed to the CFP.  But it's a flawed team with 1 single loss - the same # the other
three teams had.
>> 
>> It also still allows the bowl system to exist and for those of us in cold climates to make trips
to California, Arizona, Florida, or Texas if we want to and center those trips around football.
>
>IAWTP

IArguedWTP, too.

Hugh


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From: The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior <iamtj4life@gmail.com>
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 12:35:53 PM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
> Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough teams in to get all the teams
that actually have arguments for #1 while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
exciting.
> 
> Yes, the team now favored to win is the only one of the 4 in not to have a legitimate argument for
#1 as we headed to the CFP.  But it's a flawed team with 1 single loss - the same # the other three
teams had.
> 
> It also still allows the bowl system to exist and for those of us in cold climates to make trips
to California, Arizona, Florida, or Texas if we want to and center those trips around football.

4 is the optimal number for me if we're going to insist on a playoof.  Personally, I'm still a fan
of the OJUS, but since we've got it, I'd like to stay where we are.  Every time we add a round of
teams, we just open the window for whining about non-inclusion all the wider - there are at least 7
or 8 teams with a reasonable case for slots 5-8 - if we did something stupid like go to 16, there'd
prolly be 20 or saying "what about us??????" for the last couple of slots. 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 3:12:46 PM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 12:35:53 PM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
> > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough teams in to get all the teams
that actually have arguments for #1 while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
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> > 
> > Yes, the team now favored to win is the only one of the 4 in not to have a legitimate argument
for #1 as we headed to the CFP.  But it's a flawed team with 1 single loss - the same # the other
three teams had.
> > 
> > It also still allows the bowl system to exist and for those of us in cold climates to make trips
to California, Arizona, Florida, or Texas if we want to and center those trips around football.
> 
> 4 is the optimal number for me if we're going to insist on a playoof.  Personally, I'm still a fan
of the OJUS, 

I think the OJUS worked well until they started locking teams into bowls (hi Virginia and the Sugar
Bowl in 1990) ridiculously early.  It also helped that there were independents. 

	
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> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 3:12:46 PM UTC-5, The Cheesehusker, Trade Warrior wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 12:35:53 PM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
> > > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough teams in to get all the
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> > > 
> > > Yes, the team now favored to win is the only one of the 4 in not to have a legitimate argument
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three teams had.
> > > 
> > > It also still allows the bowl system to exist and for those of us in cold climates to make
trips to California, Arizona, Florida, or Texas if we want to and center those trips around football.
> > 
> > 4 is the optimal number for me if we're going to insist on a playoof.  Personally, I'm still a
fan of the OJUS, 
> 
> I think the OJUS worked well until they started locking teams into bowls (hi Virginia and the
Sugar Bowl in 1990) 

6-5 Virginia Tech blowing out Sugar Bowl bound UVa in their regular season closer is still one of my
favorite CFB memories.  Even if it was UVa's third loss in a row, we still call  it the "Sweeter
than Sugar" game. 

	
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>Yes, the team now favored to win is the only one of the 4 in not to have a legitimate argument for
#1 as we headed to the CFP.  

I'll never have a beer anywhere you have ever been. You've cried in
all the bottles.

Bama may not have a legitimate argument for being #1 but, if you heard
about the game yesterday they are at least #2.

Hugh


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> Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough
> teams in to get all the teams that actually have arguments for #1
> while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
> exciting.

UCF says hi.

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> > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough
> > teams in to get all the teams that actually have arguments for #1
> > while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
> > exciting.
> 
> UCF says hi.

Nobody was claiming that UCF was the #1 team going into the CFP selections. 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 6:41:14 PM UTC-8, JGibson wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:06:35 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> > On 2018-01-02, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough
> > > teams in to get all the teams that actually have arguments for #1
> > > while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
> > > exciting.
> > 
> > UCF says hi.
> 
> Nobody was claiming that UCF was the #1 team going into the CFP selections.

no, but if you're just looking for #1 then there's no CFP. If you're talking about the CFP, as it
stands, then you'd need to say "nobody was claiming that UCF was one of the four best teams". But
some suggest that the field is too small and doesn't answer the question, "who's best?" Like the
basketball field is now 68 teams instead of 8, as it was originally.

When Villanova won in 1985 as an 8 seed that would have made them somewhere between 29 and 32, out
of 340+. There are about 1/3 as many FBS teams so the field, if it were equivalent, would be
something like 24 and UCF was definitely in the top 24. Using that Villanova comparison it'd be like
having the #11 or #12 seed (where UCF ended up in the last CFP ranking) win it all.. 

	
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>On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:06:35 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> On 2018-01-02, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough
>> > teams in to get all the teams that actually have arguments for #1
>> > while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
>> > exciting.
>> 
>> UCF says hi.
>
>Nobody was claiming that UCF was the #1 team going into the CFP selections.

Well, those perennial major football powers that UCF beat - East
Carolina, Austin Peay, UConn, Temple, USF and the University of
Alabama at Auburn beg to differ.

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Difference being that last one. 

	
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> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:06:35 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> On 2018-01-02, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough
>> > teams in to get all the teams that actually have arguments for #1
>> > while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
>> > exciting.
>> 
>> UCF says hi.
>
> Nobody was claiming that UCF was the #1 team going into the CFP selections.
>

But they had an argument.

-- 
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have it. -- Chuck Missler 

	
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>On 2018-01-03, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:06:35 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>>> On 2018-01-02, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough
>>> > teams in to get all the teams that actually have arguments for #1
>>> > while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
>>> > exciting.
>>> 
>>> UCF says hi.
>>
>> Nobody was claiming that UCF was the #1 team going into the CFP selections.
>>
>
>But they had an argument.

I live in Orlando and my daughter goes to UCF, but despite my bias I
sure do not see how UCF has an argument for being in the CFP. The
average rank of their opponents this year was 81, and SBNation has
thier SOS as 103. How does 14-0 with that schedule make them have an
argument to be in the CFB? A high school team here was undefeated. Did
that make them college football national champs, or does schedule
matter? I am happy UCF had such a good year, especially after such a
dismal season two years ago, and I'm sad to lose our coach. I
thoroughly enjoyed this season, but let's be realistic. 

	
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> On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 06:11:30 -0600, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated
> American"<constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On 2018-01-03, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:06:35 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> >>> On 2018-01-02, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough
> >>> > teams in to get all the teams that actually have arguments for #1
> >>> > while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
> >>> > exciting.
> >>> 
> >>> UCF says hi.
> >>
> >> Nobody was claiming that UCF was the #1 team going into the CFP selections.
> >>
> >
> >But they had an argument.
> 
> I live in Orlando and my daughter goes to UCF, but despite my bias I
> sure do not see how UCF has an argument for being in the CFP. The
> average rank of their opponents this year was 81, and SBNation has
> thier SOS as 103. How does 14-0 with that schedule make them have an
> argument to be in the CFB? A high school team here was undefeated. Did
> that make them college football national champs, or does schedule
> matter? I am happy UCF had such a good year, especially after such a
> dismal season two years ago, and I'm sad to lose our coach. I
> thoroughly enjoyed this season, but let's be realistic.

Normally, this would be a reasonable argument - what's giving life to UCF is that A) they beat
Auburn B) and it wasn't "flukey" C) and in fact, they matched up pretty well with D) the same "super
talented and physical" team which beat both Bama and Georgia in the past couple of weeks - not in
Sept, but in the last month.

IOW, the UCF victory is quite unusual compared to other Group of 5 teams which were undefeated. 

	
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> On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 3:06:26 PM UTC-6, gr...@somewhere.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 06:11:30 -0600, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated
> > American"<constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >On 2018-01-03, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:06:35 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> > >>> On 2018-01-02, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough
> > >>> > teams in to get all the teams that actually have arguments for #1
> > >>> > while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
> > >>> > exciting.
> > >>> 
> > >>> UCF says hi.
> > >>
> > >> Nobody was claiming that UCF was the #1 team going into the CFP selections.
> > >>
> > >
> > >But they had an argument.
> > 
> > I live in Orlando and my daughter goes to UCF, but despite my bias I
> > sure do not see how UCF has an argument for being in the CFP. The
> > average rank of their opponents this year was 81, and SBNation has
> > thier SOS as 103. How does 14-0 with that schedule make them have an
> > argument to be in the CFB? A high school team here was undefeated. Did
> > that make them college football national champs, or does schedule
> > matter? I am happy UCF had such a good year, especially after such a
> > dismal season two years ago, and I'm sad to lose our coach. I
> > thoroughly enjoyed this season, but let's be realistic.
> 
> Normally, this would be a reasonable argument - what's giving life to UCF is that A) they beat
Auburn B) and it wasn't "flukey" C) and in fact, they matched up pretty well with D) the same "super
talented and physical" team which beat both Bama and Georgia in the past couple of weeks - not in
Sept, but in the last month.
> 
> IOW, the UCF victory is quite unusual compared to other Group of 5 teams which were undefeated.

but the problem is the Auburn win didn't occur during the period in which potential playoff teams
were being evaluated.  Had they beat Auburn during the season, you could make a more reasonable case
they have an argument as a playoff team.  

Conversely, if one makes the argument that UCF now deserves consideration for a national
championship after all the  bowl and playoff games, the problem for them is that while their win
over Auburn is nice, another team will have two wins over even higher ranked teams than auburn added
to their resume.  

UCF had a nice year and should be congratulated, but unfortunately for them they didnt make the
playoff 

	
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>Normally, this would be a reasonable argument - what's giving life to UCF i=
>s that A) they beat Auburn B) and it wasn't "flukey" 

As a team Auburn stunk in that game. I have previously posted on why.

When you play physical teams like Ohio, Bama and UGA, even though you
win, the physical beating is exhausting. It showed in the SECCG and in
the bowl game.

FSU was ranked #3 when they played Bama, lost their QB and their
season.

If you don't believe me the explanation is simple - you never played
football.

In no way should that detract from the UCF season.

Hugh

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On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 13:12:08 -0800 (PST), "The Cheesehusker, Trade
Warrior"<iamtj4life@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 3:06:26 PM UTC-6, gr...@somewhere.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Jan 2018 06:11:30 -0600, "Con Reeder, unhyphenated
>> American"<constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On 2018-01-03, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 9:06:35 PM UTC-5, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
>> >>> On 2018-01-02, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough
>> >>> > teams in to get all the teams that actually have arguments for #1
>> >>> > while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
>> >>> > exciting.
>> >>> 
>> >>> UCF says hi.
>> >>
>> >> Nobody was claiming that UCF was the #1 team going into the CFP selections.
>> >>
>> >
>> >But they had an argument.
>> 
>> I live in Orlando and my daughter goes to UCF, but despite my bias I
>> sure do not see how UCF has an argument for being in the CFP. The
>> average rank of their opponents this year was 81, and SBNation has
>> thier SOS as 103. How does 14-0 with that schedule make them have an
>> argument to be in the CFB? A high school team here was undefeated. Did
>> that make them college football national champs, or does schedule
>> matter? I am happy UCF had such a good year, especially after such a
>> dismal season two years ago, and I'm sad to lose our coach. I
>> thoroughly enjoyed this season, but let's be realistic.
>
>Normally, this would be a reasonable argument - what's giving life to UCF is that A) they beat
Auburn B) and it wasn't "flukey" C) and in fact, they matched up pretty well with D) the same "super
talented and physical" team which beat both Bama and Georgia in the past couple of weeks - not in
Sept, but in the last month.
>
>IOW, the UCF victory is quite unusual compared to other Group of 5 teams which were undefeated.

Can't buy it. Being in the south, I can tell you Bama and GA are
Auburns two major rivals. Those games make or break their season, and
Auburn was highly motivated. While UCF was highly motivated and pumped
up for the Peach Bowl, Auburn didn't want to be there and it showed.
While the Auburn victory was nice, I would prefer to end the season
here at 14-0. I would not want to play Bama, Clemson, OK, GA, Wis, or
OSU in a game where they were motivated and playing hard.

BTW, in an earlier post a few weeks ago, for just the reasons above, I
predicted Auburn would have trouble with UCF and might lose. However,
if UCF played on, the conditions and motivations would be different,
and they would be crushed by any of the teams above. 14-0 is nice,
14-1 where your last game is humbling, is not. Being called NC with
our schedule is embarrassing. 

	
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Motion to label this excuse "The SEC creedo" to save time in the future. 

	
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On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:42:45 AM UTC-5, Some dued wrote:
> Motion to label this excuse "The SEC creedo" to save time in the future.

Yeah, because Wisconsin was able to get by previously undefeated Western Michigan last year even
after being heartbroken in the Big Ten championship game.

Georgia beats Hawaii?  Hawaii was obviously overrated and didn't belong.  Alabama loses to Utah? 
Alabama was clearly unmotivated. 

	
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On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:08:21 AM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
> On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:42:45 AM UTC-5, Some dued wrote:
> > Motion to label this excuse "The SEC creedo" to save time in the future.
> 
> Yeah, because Wisconsin was able to get by previously undefeated Western Michigan last year even
after being heartbroken in the Big Ten championship game.
> 
> Georgia beats Hawaii?  Hawaii was obviously overrated and didn't belong.  Alabama loses to Utah? 
Alabama was clearly unmotivated.

What he said. 

	
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On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:08:21 AM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
> On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 9:42:45 AM UTC-5, Some dued wrote:
> > Motion to label this excuse "The SEC creedo" to save time in the future.
> 
> Yeah, because Wisconsin was able to get by previously undefeated Western Michigan last year even
after being heartbroken in the Big Ten championship game.
> 
> Georgia beats Hawaii?  Hawaii was obviously overrated and didn't belong.  Alabama loses to Utah? 
Alabama was clearly unmotivated.

or more realistically Alabama just played a bad game and Utah was a lot better team than Hawaii? 

	
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On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 8:21:08 AM UTC-6, gr...@somewhere.com wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 13:12:08 -0800 (PST), "The Cheesehusker, Trade
> Warrior"<iamtj4life@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I live in Orlando and my daughter goes to UCF, but despite my bias I
> >> sure do not see how UCF has an argument for being in the CFP. The
> >> average rank of their opponents this year was 81, and SBNation has
> >> thier SOS as 103. How does 14-0 with that schedule make them have an
> >> argument to be in the CFB? A high school team here was undefeated. Did
> >> that make them college football national champs, or does schedule
> >> matter? I am happy UCF had such a good year, especially after such a
> >> dismal season two years ago, and I'm sad to lose our coach. I
> >> thoroughly enjoyed this season, but let's be realistic.
> >
> >Normally, this would be a reasonable argument - what's giving life to UCF is that A) they beat
Auburn B) and it wasn't "flukey" C) and in fact, they matched up pretty well with D) the same "super
talented and physical" team which beat both Bama and Georgia in the past couple of weeks - not in
Sept, but in the last month.
> >
> >IOW, the UCF victory is quite unusual compared to other Group of 5 teams which were undefeated.
> 
> Can't buy it. Being in the south, I can tell you Bama and GA are
> Auburns two major rivals. Those games make or break their season, and
> Auburn was highly motivated. While UCF was highly motivated and pumped
> up for the Peach Bowl, Auburn didn't want to be there and it showed.
> While the Auburn victory was nice, I would prefer to end the season
> here at 14-0. I would not want to play Bama, Clemson, OK, GA, Wis, or
> OSU in a game where they were motivated and playing hard.

Too bad for Auburn and their lack of motivation.  Oh boo hoo.

 
> BTW, in an earlier post a few weeks ago, for just the reasons above, I
> predicted Auburn would have trouble with UCF and might lose. However,
> if UCF played on, the conditions and motivations would be different,
> and they would be crushed by any of the teams above. 14-0 is nice,
> 14-1 where your last game is humbling, is not. Being called NC with
> our schedule is embarrassing.

Yeah sure - I'm just pointing *why* this year is different in terms of the group of 5 team relative
to prior years. 

	
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>I live in Orlando and my daughter goes to UCF, but despite my bias I
>sure do not see how UCF has an argument for being in the CFP. The
>average rank of their opponents this year was 81, and SBNation has
>thier SOS as 103. How does 14-0 with that schedule make them have an
>argument to be in the CFB? A high school team here was undefeated. Did
>that make them college football national champs, or does schedule
>matter? I am happy UCF had such a good year, especially after such a
>dismal season two years ago, and I'm sad to lose our coach. I
>thoroughly enjoyed this season, but let's be realistic.

Diogenes can quit searching.

Congratulations on the great year. 

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> Nobody was claiming that UCF was the #1 team going into the CFP selections.

Problem is nobody said #4 either.

As designed.

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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-8, Con Reeder, unhyphenated American wrote:
> On 2018-01-02, JGibson<james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough
> > teams in to get all the teams that actually have arguments for #1
> > while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
> > exciting.
> 
> UCF says hi.

UCF is in a lower division of football.

Mike 

	
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>UCF is in a lower division of football.
>
>Mike

Congratulations on recognizing a fact that few others on rsfc appear
to be able to comprehend.

That is not to say UCF could not have won the NCAACG. It's to say that
rarlely should teams outside the top 10 be considered for
participation.

I'll buy about $20 worth of lottery tickets today with the same
expectations of winning as UCF in the final 4.

Hugh


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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 12:35:53 PM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
> Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough teams in to get all the teams
that actually have arguments for #1 while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
exciting.
> 

agreed....it's ideal imo.

Going to 8 doesn't make sense for another reason as well- that creates another level of
traveling/flying around the country.  Remember these are not 'home' games.  They are neutral site
venues.  When you have Alabama and Georgia especially(and Clemson and Oklahoma are generally good as
well) that makes things better, but can you imagine asking fans of most programs to make 2 and
possible THREE trips to a neutral site end of tournament games?  No way...

this isn't basketball where you can play two games in two days, and only have to fill an arena
before the final four(where four teams/fan bases can share).  You'd be talking about up to 3
different big trips for a team.  Thats just too much to plan around/expect....

the playoffs have been pretty lucky with the teams they have picked so far, but could you imagine in
years when/if teams like Miami, USC, TCU made it and advanced all through in an 8 team playoff?

Keeping it at 4 keeps it special for a fan base to some degree.  Move it to 8 and making the playoff
is just expected almost for a few programs. 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:29:04 PM UTC-8, michael anderson wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 12:35:53 PM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
> > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough teams in to get all the teams
that actually have arguments for #1 while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
exciting.
> > 
> 
> agreed....it's ideal imo.
> 
> Going to 8 doesn't make sense for another reason as well- that creates another level of
traveling/flying around the country.  Remember these are not 'home' games.  They are neutral site
venues.  When you have Alabama and Georgia especially(and Clemson and Oklahoma are generally good as
well) that makes things better, but can you imagine asking fans of most programs to make 2 and
possible THREE trips to a neutral site end of tournament games?  No way...
> 

Going to 8 adds 4 games. Just plug them into the existing bowl games the week before Christmas. That
week you had bowl games in New Orleans, Las Vegas and Orlando. You just move one of the Texas Bowls
up or move the one in Detroit up and that cuts down on any major traveling.


> this isn't basketball where you can play two games in two days, and only have to fill an arena
before the final four(where four teams/fan bases can share).  You'd be talking about up to 3
different big trips for a team.  Thats just too much to plan around/expect....
> 
> the playoffs have been pretty lucky with the teams they have picked so far, but could you imagine
in years when/if teams like Miami, USC, TCU made it and advanced all through in an 8 team playoff?
> 
> Keeping it at 4 keeps it special for a fan base to some degree.  Move it to 8 and making the
playoff is just expected almost for a few programs. 

	
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> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 7:29:04 PM UTC-8, michael anderson wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 12:35:53 PM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
> > > Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough teams in to get all the
teams that actually have arguments for #1 while also being small enough to keep the regular season
really exciting.
> > > 
> > 
> > agreed....it's ideal imo.
> > 
> > Going to 8 doesn't make sense for another reason as well- that creates another level of
traveling/flying around the country.  Remember these are not 'home' games.  They are neutral site
venues.  When you have Alabama and Georgia especially(and Clemson and Oklahoma are generally good as
well) that makes things better, but can you imagine asking fans of most programs to make 2 and
possible THREE trips to a neutral site end of tournament games?  No way...
> > 
> 
> Going to 8 adds 4 games. Just plug them into the existing bowl games the week before Christmas.
That week you had bowl games in New Orleans, Las Vegas and Orlando. You just move one of the Texas
Bowls up or move the one in Detroit up and that cuts down on any major traveling.
> 
> 
> > this isn't basketball where you can play two games in two days, and only have to fill an arena
before the final four(where four teams/fan bases can share).  You'd be talking about up to 3
different big trips for a team.  Thats just too much to plan around/expect....
> > 
> > the playoffs have been pretty lucky with the teams they have picked so far, but could you
imagine in years when/if teams like Miami, USC, TCU made it and advanced all through in an 8 team
playoff?
> > 
> > Keeping it at 4 keeps it special for a fan base to some degree.  Move it to 8 and making the
playoff is just expected almost for a few programs.


how?  You're still asking fans to make up to 3 major trips status post regular season/cc
game....whether they are separated by an extra week before is not terribly important.  and yes
obviously only two teams are going to have to play 3 games, but the most important part is that
fans/alumni aren't going to know whether their team will for the first and second game.  So you'd
have a situation where fans opt out of the round of 8 thinking that they will wait to see if they
make it to the semifinals or championship game.  

we shouldn't dilute the significance of the playoff games.  right now making the playoff is a big
deal.  Just that alone for any non-Alabama team(and maybe tosu to a lesser extent) automatically
makes it a great season. 

	
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On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 12:35:53 PM UTC-6, JGibson wrote:
> Maybe I'm in the minority, but the way I see it, it allows enough teams in to get all the teams
that actually have arguments for #1 while also being small enough to keep the regular season really
exciting.
> 
> Yes, the team now favored to win is the only one of the 4 in not to have a legitimate argument for
#1 as we headed to the CFP.  But it's a flawed team with 1 single loss - the same # the other three
teams had.
> 
> It also still allows the bowl system to exist and for those of us in cold climates to make trips
to California, Arizona, Florida, or Texas if we want to and center those trips around football.

I'm for an 8 team playoff: The 5 major conferences (usually) and three more. The first-round can be
home games for the higher seeds, and the last four can be the traditional, rotating bowl venues.