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I know that the Republican dogma is traditionally anti-Keynesian, but that previously didn’t mean
cutting taxes and increasing government spending when the economy is already in danger of
overheating. 

So now we have a consistent pattern of Democratic Presidents inheriting large deficits and cutting
them dramatically over their terms followed by Republican Presidents immediately blowing those
deficits back up.  

As a squishy fiscal conservative, this just raises so much cognitive dissonance in me, I would love
to know how others are processing this. 

	
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 8:18:42 AM UTC-6, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
> I know that the Republican dogma is traditionally anti-Keynesian, but that previously didn’t
mean cutting taxes

cutting?  News to me when I saw the most recent(to me) GOP tax increase on my already absurd
taxes..... 

	
From: the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com <the_andrew_smith@yahoo.com>
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1. Don’t spend whatcha ain’t got
2. Don’t spend what ain’t yours (see: 1)
3. Likely 50% of the federal budget is unnecessary 
4. Assumptions of fiscal growth/decrease are hope. Hope isn’t a plan. 
5.  As above, ad nauseum 

I think it’s immature and selfish to spend beyond our means - personally and corporately. 

	
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10:16 AM UTC-5, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 1. Don’t spend whatcha ain’t got

So did you buy your house in cash or did you get a mortgage? 

	
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:58:19 AM UTC-5, JGibson wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10:16 AM UTC-5, the_andr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > 1. Don’t spend whatcha ain’t got
> 
> So did you buy your house in cash or did you get a mortgage?




Do you put your monthly bills on accumulating credit cards that never get paid down?  


When you buy a house, you do "have" it, per se, in future earnings as well as the asset that IS the
property. 

	
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>Do you put your monthly bills on accumulating credit cards that never get p=
>aid down?  

I pay my monthly bills monthly although I don't think they have ever
been more than $10,000 in one month except maybe a credit card a few
times.

Isn't that what everyone does?

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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 12:04:07 PM UTC-6, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:06:07 -0800 (PST), jim brown
><jimbrowndoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> >Do you put your monthly bills on accumulating credit cards that never get p=
> >aid down?  
> 
> I pay my monthly bills monthly although I don't think they have ever
> been more than $10,000 in one month except maybe a credit card a few
> times.
> 
> Isn't that what everyone does?
> 

It must be hard work to be so consistently clueless... 

	
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>On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 12:04:07 PM UTC-6, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:06:07 -0800 (PST), jim brown
>><jimbrowndoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >Do you put your monthly bills on accumulating credit cards that never get p=
>> >aid down?  
>> 
>> I pay my monthly bills monthly although I don't think they have ever
>> been more than $10,000 in one month except maybe a credit card a few
>> times.
>> 
>> Isn't that what everyone does?
>> 
>
>It must be hard work to be so consistently clueless...

It appears to be much easier for you to be dishonorable Professor
Dipshit.

Tell me where I lied you little coward who is so ashamed of himself
that he has to use an alias to post.

Hugh




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> >On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 12:04:07 PM UTC-6, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
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> >><jimbrowndoc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >Do you put your monthly bills on accumulating credit cards that never get p=
> >> >aid down?  
> >> 
> >> I pay my monthly bills monthly although I don't think they have ever
> >> been more than $10,000 in one month except maybe a credit card a few
> >> times.
> >> 
> >> Isn't that what everyone does?
> >> 
> >
> >It must be hard work to be so consistently clueless...
> 
> It appears to be much easier for you to be dishonorable Professor
> Dipshit.
> 
> Tell me where I lied you little coward who is so ashamed of himself
> that he has to use an alias to post.
> 

I don't have the hours to devote to listing all of the 1000s of lies you have spread in this
chatrum.  

But the fact that you repeatedly lie about your lying is probably sufficient... 

	
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>I don't have the hours to devote to listing all of the 1000s of lies you have spread in this
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>
>But the fact that you repeatedly lie about your lying is probably sufficient...

What you don't have is the honor or intelligence to answer my
question.

You avoid answering the question like the coward you are and
childishly think people are not aware of your pitiful evasion.

And like the coward you are you hide behind an alias. 

Where did I lie you worthless pissant?

Hugh


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Cash. Why? 

	
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>Cash. Why?

Good on ye, Auburn feller.

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>On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10:16 AM UTC-5, the_andr...@yahoo.com w=
>rote:
>> 1. Don=E2=80=99t spend whatcha ain=E2=80=99t got
>
>So did you buy your house in cash or did you get a mortgage?

In 1957 we paid $25,000 cash for our first house - 3 BR, 2 1/2 bath,
about 1800 sq. ft., Roman brick. It sold for about $120,000 several
years ago.

We mortgaged the house we have lived in for 52 years to buy a house
for our oldest son because investments paid more than mortgage
interest. We have owned 4 other houses, none of which had a mortgage
by us.

We paid cash for our last several cars also. And none of our family
has a student loan.

And we did it while earning probably a heckuva lot less per year than
you do now.

What's so unusual about that?

Hugh


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> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 08:58:16 -0800 (PST), JGibson
><james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10:16 AM UTC-5, the_andr...@yahoo.com w=
> >rote:
> >> 1. Don=E2=80=99t spend whatcha ain=E2=80=99t got
> >
> >So did you buy your house in cash or did you get a mortgage?
> 
> In 1957 we paid $25,000 cash for our first house - 3 BR, 2 1/2 bath,
> about 1800 sq. ft., Roman brick. It sold for about $120,000 several
> years ago.
> 
> We mortgaged the house we have lived in for 52 years to buy a house
> for our oldest son because investments paid more than mortgage
> interest. 

So you're telling me your oldest son is a no-good free loader? 

	
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>On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 1:00:16 PM UTC-5, J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2018 08:58:16 -0800 (PST), JGibson
>><james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 10:10:16 AM UTC-5, the_andr...@yahoo.com w=
>> >rote:
>> >> 1. Don=E2=80=99t spend whatcha ain=E2=80=99t got
>> >
>> >So did you buy your house in cash or did you get a mortgage?
>> 
>> In 1957 we paid $25,000 cash for our first house - 3 BR, 2 1/2 bath,
>> about 1800 sq. ft., Roman brick. It sold for about $120,000 several
>> years ago.
>> 
>> We mortgaged the house we have lived in for 52 years to buy a house
>> for our oldest son because investments paid more than mortgage
>> interest. 
>
>So you're telling me your oldest son is a no-good free loader?

My wife thought he should live closer to us and his slut of an ex-wife
cost him a ton of money in bills. Parents never lose their
responsibility to their kids - at least not the good ones.

And I was sufficiently competent to earn a pretty good living by
graduating is slightly less than 4 years. You had to stay in school a
lot longer than that to earn a living.

But you are better than Professor Dipshit.

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> 1. Don’t spend whatcha ain’t got
> 2. Don’t spend what ain’t yours (see: 1)
> 3. Likely 50% of the federal budget is unnecessary 
> 4. Assumptions of fiscal growth/decrease are hope. Hope isn’t a plan. 
> 5.  As above, ad nauseum 
> 
> I think it’s immature and selfish to spend beyond our means - personally and corporately.

You willing to kill half the American population outright?

Because spending beyond our means is the only reason we have even 200,000,000 people in this
country, much less 300-320 million.

Mike 

	
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> I know that the Republican dogma is traditionally anti-Keynesian, but that previously didn’t
mean cutting taxes and increasing government spending when the economy is already in danger of
overheating. 
> 
> So now we have a consistent pattern of Democratic Presidents inheriting large deficits and cutting
them dramatically over their terms followed by Republican Presidents immediately blowing those
deficits back up.  
> 
> As a squishy fiscal conservative, this just raises so much cognitive dissonance in me, I would
love to know how others are processing this.

Not well - I'm okayish w/ the tax cuts - esp on the corporate side - but the spending increase bums
me out.

As I've often said - and will continue to - we don't need to "cut" - just freeze spending and let
the economy catch up. 

	
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> I know that the Republican dogma is traditionally anti-Keynesian, but that previously didn’t
mean cutting taxes and increasing government spending when the economy is already in danger of
overheating. 
> 
> So now we have a consistent pattern of Democratic Presidents inheriting large deficits and cutting
them dramatically over their terms followed by Republican Presidents immediately blowing those
deficits back up.  
> 
> As a squishy fiscal conservative, this just raises so much cognitive dissonance in me, I would
love to know how others are processing this.




Ha!  Obama's only looks good by using the very, very abnormal baseline of 2009, some of which was
attributed to Obama's bailout spending.  Otherwise, W has a much better tract record, and his were
horrible.    

Clinton fell into his non deficit years, mostly attributed to anyone BUT Clinton.  


I've complained about deficit spending my entire adulthood.  Its reprehensible, the lack of
conscience that is shown for spending at the govt level.  W's supporters ignored his spending,
Obama's supporters told us deficit spending is good for the economy...needed, in fact.


So lets not even float this BS line that Dems are fiscally prudent.  Obama did just as Bush
did...almost doubled the debt in his 8 years. 

	
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> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 9:18:42 AM UTC-5, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I know that the Republican dogma is traditionally anti-Keynesian, but that previously didn’t
mean cutting taxes and increasing government spending when the economy is already in danger of
overheating. 
> > 
> > So now we have a consistent pattern of Democratic Presidents inheriting large deficits and
cutting them dramatically over their terms followed by Republican Presidents immediately blowing
those deficits back up.  
> > 
> > As a squishy fiscal conservative, this just raises so much cognitive dissonance in me, I would
love to know how others are processing this.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ha!  Obama's only looks good by using the very, very abnormal baseline of 2009, some of which was
attributed to Obama's bailout spending.  Otherwise, W has a much better tract record, and his were
horrible.    
> 
> Clinton fell into his non deficit years, mostly attributed to anyone BUT Clinton.  
> 
> 
> I've complained about deficit spending my entire adulthood.  Its reprehensible, the lack of
conscience that is shown for spending at the govt level.  W's supporters ignored his spending,
Obama's supporters told us deficit spending is good for the economy...needed, in fact.

And we were right. 

Deficit spending is good for the economy when it's in recession and needs the stimulus.  

When the economy is strong is when you're supposed to pull back on deficits.. 

The Democrats practiced this.  The economy was good during the Clinton years and he took the
opportunity to eliminate the deficit.  Obama inherited a recession and increased the deficit to
stimulate the economy, then reduced it as the economy recovered.  Trump inherited a strong economy
and still blew up the deficit, which is what is irresponsible. 

	
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:13:18 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:00:41 AM UTC-5, jim brown wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 9:18:42 AM UTC-5, tim.vanwa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I know that the Republican dogma is traditionally anti-Keynesian, but that previously didn’t
mean cutting taxes and increasing government spending when the economy is already in danger of
overheating. 
> > > 
> > > So now we have a consistent pattern of Democratic Presidents inheriting large deficits and
cutting them dramatically over their terms followed by Republican Presidents immediately blowing
those deficits back up.  
> > > 
> > > As a squishy fiscal conservative, this just raises so much cognitive dissonance in me, I would
love to know how others are processing this.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Ha!  Obama's only looks good by using the very, very abnormal baseline of 2009, some of which
was attributed to Obama's bailout spending.  Otherwise, W has a much better tract record, and his
were horrible.    
> > 
> > Clinton fell into his non deficit years, mostly attributed to anyone BUT Clinton.  
> > 
> > 
> > I've complained about deficit spending my entire adulthood.  Its reprehensible, the lack of
conscience that is shown for spending at the govt level.  W's supporters ignored his spending,
Obama's supporters told us deficit spending is good for the economy...needed, in fact.
> 
> And we were right. 
> 
> Deficit spending is good for the economy when it's in recession and needs the stimulus.  
> 
> When the economy is strong is when you're supposed to pull back on deficits. 
> 
> The Democrats practiced this.  The economy was good during the Clinton years and he took the
opportunity to eliminate the deficit.  Obama inherited a recession and increased the deficit to
stimulate the economy, then reduced it as the economy recovered.  Trump inherited a strong economy
and still blew up the deficit, which is what is irresponsible.




You don't seriously believe that was their plan.  Clinton had NO IDEA he was going to end up with a
balanced budget...some was due to Newt, some was due to the tech boom, which fizzled in time to take
a bite out of tax receipts for the incoming POTUS.  Obama was a just a big spender.  Its absolutely
hilarious when someone tries to sell him as fiscally responsible.  He was one of the worst we've
had, w/r to that.  Trump may beat him at spending though... wouldn't surprise me. 


Outside your blurred reality, the truth is they ALL spend way more than they take in, and they do it
to buy votes and donations. 

	
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Clinton ran on a platform that included major welfare reform and cutting both the federal workforce
and agency budgets. He raised taxes on the richest tiers and cut defense spending. 

Yes, a balanced budget was most certainly his goal. The Republican Congress helped greatly because
it allowed him to keep on that track since big spending interests in his own party had zero
leverage. You can’t separate government spending and other policies from the overall economy
because they are too linked. 

Now I do believe that Republicans held Obama spending more in check. However, it is very interesting
how the deficits wars of the last 6 years have been abandoned by Republicans in favor of complete
fiscal irresponsibility. 

	
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>en abandoned by Republicans in favor of complete fiscal irresponsibility.

Part of that irresponsibility is to pay worthless people for not
working and buying votes for traitorous liberals.

You socialists poke fun at Irish Mike for repeatedly posting liberal
ignorance figures. But it's your only recourse when he is kicking your
asses with it.

It's much like the dishonesty practiced by Professor Dipshit when he
avoids answering my question.

Hugh

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> Clinton ran on a platform that included major welfare reform and
> cutting both the federal workforce and agency budgets. He raised
> taxes on the richest tiers and cut defense spending. 

Ah...WTF?  Are you serious?  'Welfare reform' was a product of the GOP, 
though Clinton deserves credit for signing it despite allegations from
his party that it was a Nazi-inspired genocide.   'Cutting the federal
workforce' was reducing the size of the military, and he, and Bush I, 
had this luxury granted to them by Reagan. 


<snip>

-Tom Enright 

	
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On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:31:27 AM UTC-5, jim brown wrote:
> On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:13:18 AM UTC-5, xyzzy wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 11:00:41 AM UTC-5, jim brown wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 8, 2018 at 9:18:42 AM UTC-5, tim.vanwa...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > I know that the Republican dogma is traditionally anti-Keynesian, but that previously
didn’t mean cutting taxes and increasing government spending when the economy is already in danger
of overheating. 
> > > > 
> > > > So now we have a consistent pattern of Democratic Presidents inheriting large deficits and
cutting them dramatically over their terms followed by Republican Presidents immediately blowing
those deficits back up.  
> > > > 
> > > > As a squishy fiscal conservative, this just raises so much cognitive dissonance in me, I
would love to know how others are processing this.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Ha!  Obama's only looks good by using the very, very abnormal baseline of 2009, some of which
was attributed to Obama's bailout spending.  Otherwise, W has a much better tract record, and his
were horrible.    
> > > 
> > > Clinton fell into his non deficit years, mostly attributed to anyone BUT Clinton.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I've complained about deficit spending my entire adulthood.  Its reprehensible, the lack of
conscience that is shown for spending at the govt level.  W's supporters ignored his spending,
Obama's supporters told us deficit spending is good for the economy...needed, in fact.
> > 
> > And we were right. 
> > 
> > Deficit spending is good for the economy when it's in recession and needs the stimulus.  
> > 
> > When the economy is strong is when you're supposed to pull back on deficits. 
> > 
> > The Democrats practiced this.  The economy was good during the Clinton years and he took the
opportunity to eliminate the deficit.  Obama inherited a recession and increased the deficit to
stimulate the economy, then reduced it as the economy recovered.  Trump inherited a strong economy
and still blew up the deficit, which is what is irresponsible.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You don't seriously believe that was their plan.  Clinton had NO IDEA he was going to end up with
a balanced budget...some was due to Newt, some was due to the tech boom, which fizzled in time to
take a bite out of tax receipts for the incoming POTUS.  Obama was a just a big spender.  Its
absolutely hilarious when someone tries to sell him as fiscally responsible.  He was one of the
worst we've had, w/r to that.  Trump may beat him at spending though... wouldn't surprise me. 
> 
> 
> Outside your blurred reality, the truth is they ALL spend way more than they take in, and they do
it to buy votes and donations.

IAWTP

Bush's spending spiked in the last year of his presidency in a wrong-headed
attempt to address the economic implosion.  Obama supporters point to this
single data point as representative of his entire 8 years, though, of course,
he did spend too much. 

Yes, Obama certainly came into office during a huge mess, but once the 
economy bottomed-out he should have easily reached GDP growth of 3% 
consistently but loading-on regulations and, especially, ObamaCare prevented this. 

-Tom Enright 

	
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> I know that the Republican dogma is traditionally anti-Keynesian, but
> that previously didn’t mean cutting taxes and increasing government
> spending when the economy is already in danger of overheating.
> 
> So now we have a consistent pattern of Democratic Presidents inheriting
> large deficits and cutting them dramatically over their terms followed
> by Republican Presidents immediately blowing those deficits back up.
> 
> As a squishy fiscal conservative, this just raises so much cognitive
> dissonance in me, I would love to know how others are processing this.

Trump sucks and doesn't understand the economics of Murica because he is 
orange and doesn't have a brain that understands money.

Fuck us all; we are done.